B44 Polished Wood Setup
 

Alright guys, anyone got a decent setup for polished wood?
Car seems to have no traction at all compared to the rango's and cats,car has understeer them mental oversteer. tried full spikes, mini pins.
Current set up is as follows
1Deg camber all round
Long wheelbase
30 wt oil silver spring front, out on bottom, in on top
25 wt oil green spring, in on bottom and top.
Silver rollbar on front

Your way off a decent setup here mate!

The undeersteer won't be helped by the front roll bar remove it!
Medium or short wheelbase not long
Front oil 40w ae and rear 30w ae same springs
Weight in rear end centre weight if it's a b44.1
Loosen slipper ever so slightly to get power down better or go up a couple of pinions
Black roll bar or possible silver on rear
6.5-7.5t motor
Mini pin yellows all round maybe with a couple of Rows cut off the inner and outer not to many though!
Then there's the diffs make sure there tight enough
This should help you

why!

Hi mate, cheers for the reply will give it ago!

go up on the oils first luke , try 5 wt all round higher !
gonna try more limiters in the front shocks to !
ran the final without roll bars at all and it was the best its been all night but still wasnt great :(
kit set up with 25 rear and 30 front was dialed last year , shame its not working this year

Kool, will try it next time with harder oil

I'd be running Yellow mini spikes not pins as mentioned - and i personally would never cut any spikes off unless you're running on multi surface, but that's just me.
Try using soft inserts as they seem to help me.

The tyres I ran last night were brand new for ludlow, but they were useless when I 1st tried them. so I did the Cov MAM event and then put them on for last night and they were awesome.

Mini pins from past experience take until round 3 to really work well, but then fall off after 2 or 3 meetings.

I've never got on with full spikes at ludlow. Since I tried used mini spikes I've never gone back. My car does push a bit, but that's the trade off for having good traction out of the corners.

:thumbsup: To cure chronic understeer, always start by removing/lessening the front bar and adding/stiffening a rear bar instead
(front bar = rear traction, rear bar = steering)

When I raced an Optima Mid 20+years ago,one venue had a carpet-
polished wood mixed surface(it was a works club IIRC).

No roll bars,softer springs and oil all round.
Tyres were the stock Bridgestones(only time I used 'em,otherwise it was CAT pins).
Motor was a 21t running a 20t pinion

The trick I used when coming off the carpet onto the polished wood(it was a long left sweeping curve)was to brake on the carpet,go onto the wood into
a "Finnish Flick" and nail the throttle to hold a long 4 wheel drift through the
curve.
It would just set you up right to go back onto the carpet in a staright line
with full power on.

Mark

i think this is the issue we are trying to cure
car has understeer then mental oversteer !!
its not progressive , it will push then mid corner oversteer :blush:

Shocks rebuilt with thicker oil & bigG's sorting some minispikes out for me to try hopefully it will be better next time out

Also had the same problem on sunday with yellow mini pins...........I started of running yellow full spikes which were awesome in qualifying but changed for the final as everyboby else said that mini pins were the best to run with.

I was all over the place, understeer on initial turn in then oversteer from mid corner :confused::confused::confused:

this is the setup im using......

http://www.petitrc.com/setup/associa...219/index.html

yum I have the same tyres are I'm running ready for Wez and Luke to try. See what happens. There are settings explained that sometimes the car will swap without warning. try tyres 1st though.

That's what happens when you have a case of excessive understeer, the car will push really bad and when it finally stops plowing it then has snap-oversteer. You have to cure the understeer. ;)

i ran mine with out any bars, with rear bars, front bars , and both ,and yes it changed but it didnt actually improve over all traction ! its just loose !
westie , do the shocks, lose roll bars , and try the tyres :-) we will get there dude :-)

Will do mate, Associated till i die :thumbsup:

I found changing the amount of weight around the lipos made a lot of difference to on-off power steering with the B44. I would try my setup that is posted further up the thread, and run a lot of weight in the rear, this should help with increased off-power turn in, but better traction out of the corners, I guess this is where your going wrong maybe?

I would definately not run a front roll bar. I know minipins dont work quite as well on a full polish track, and running brand new tyres is a no-go.

Hope this helps!

Btw, buggies suck inside for some reason on polish, much better with a rally or tourer IMO!

to be honest thats pretty much what i am running already , :-s weird

I found mini pins work well after 3 races from new.
mini spikes take some running in also. after a meeting on astro I use them at ludlow and they get results for me :)

Ive been running a B44.1 for a few weeks on polished floor and found the car suffers understeer, all things ive tried to make it more postive on the front just make it unstable think it may just be that type of chassis.
If you want a steery animal maybe the b44 is not the beast to have but i think it could be a great safe chassis outside.

Dunno whether this is any good for you,but it's the technique I used to use
to get around a polished wood corner with my old Mid.

These lot call it a "Feint Drift" instead of a Finnish or Scandanavian Flick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQhDeCRBoPY

I know it's done on GT3,so it's a game,maybe useful to you,maybe
complete bollox.

Mark

ive been running mine on polished since it was released and have never and do not suffer from understeer, probably the opposite, its just lacking in over all grip is all,

Finally cars working alot better, up'd the oil to 35 & 30 wt and removed both roll bars. Also borrowed a set of worn mini spikes of BigG.
Managed to finish 1st in the B hopefull make it into the A Next time :)
Also wezzers car now looked dialed!
:woot:

That's good to hear Westwood. The A's not far away.

Wezzer, was yours the same setup?

yeah pretty much. usually run a little toe out on the front , say one or 2 degs but ran it parrallel last night and no roll bars , car was dialled :-)
but hadnt upped the weights so am running 25 rear 30 front !
green rear srings and silver front with ghea rear pistons and i think number 2s (AE) front !
would of tried silver springs on the rear and maybe the rear roll bar but didnt want to change it last night as it was super fast :-)

I think il still the ghea pistons in there next, then maybe a black rear roll bar and middle wheel base as i go through the night next week :)

Managed to get in the A this week :) did a few little set up changes, changed the wheelbase to the middle, also fitted the black roll bar on the back car was dialed untill someones shock leaked all over the track. Trying ghea pistons out next time out :)

And Here's some video evidence to prove it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/75Mdb#p/a/u/0/qKurp1tpbwU

Nice one westwood.

Wezzer, your car looked alright in the final? Your final time would have put you 2nd in the A final.

Did you change your setup after qualifying?

yeah it was ok , but not like it was the week before, i did yes only slightly, tightened the rear diff.
i think there was more oil down in the a final !! about 3/4's in rob morris dropped his load on the track :-s dirty boy !!!

Guys setup sheets please :cry: Any Lipo weight (which batteries = weight)????

Thanks

Hi mate, my pc really doesn't like Adobe so il write it out

Front
35wt oil silver springs
In on the top, out on the bottom
20mm Ride height
1deg camber
1deg toe out
50% Worn yellow mini spikes

Rear
30wt oil green springs
In on the top, out on the bottom
21mm Ride Height
1deg camber
3deg toe in
med wheel base
50% worn yellow mini spikes

Current Electrics
Tekin Rs Pro (box standard)
Speed passion 6.5
Intellect 5400 60c lipos
19t pinion
84 spur i think
Rudebits one peice battery craddle with 20g extra lead weights in the middle

Proline Bulldog
7" Wing


Hope this helps you mate, i was real struggling to begin with but a winner never quits! :thumbsup: