DMCC Indoor Championship 2011/2012
 

6 rounds in total.
Take your best 2 from 3 before Christmas and your best 2 from 3 after Christmas and add them.

Round 1 - 13th November
Round 2 - 27th November
Round 3 - 18th December

Round 4 - 15th January
Round 5 - 12th February
Round 6 - 4th March

ROUND 1
Just to remind everyone that round 1 of this years indoor championship is this Sunday from 10.30 am, heat 1 goes at 11.30am.

You must use Schumacher Minispike rear tyres - nothing else is permitted.

See you all on Sunday, if last week is anything to go by it should be awesome!

Due to a carried proposal at the AGM last night racing now

STARTS AT 10am

First heat goes at 11am

Championship regulations are here ;-

If you can't see these clearly enough, there are larger versions in the photos/Naul 2011 - 2012 section of www.dublinmodelracing.com

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...012_Page_1.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b...012_Page_2.jpg

Looks good.

MiCk B. :-)

qualifying
 

I know i was late and missed partof it but I thought that qualifying was to be left the same as previous and only changed on the day by agreement of all drivers:confused:
This seems to be a different system .
Could someone explain the different systems please ?

Hi Ivan,


There are many qualifying systems, but only 2 are generally used by the DMCC.

1. Round-by-Round (default system)
2. FTQ (only used if voted by majority at drivers briefing on the day or specified in the championship regulations)

Round-by-round is the qualifying system used throughout the outdoor season in Griffeen Valley. Your qualifying position for the finals is determined by adding your 2 best scores (1st -0, 2nd -1, 3rd -2 etc) from the 4 rounds. This system is very beneficial where track wear and weather changes are effecting racing and it keeps the qualifying fair as the conditions degrade. This system also favours drivers who can put in consistant performances (not necessarily fast performances).

FTQ (Fastest Time Qualifying) is a much simpler system. Your qualifying position for the finals is determined by your fastest time during the day. The disadvantage to this system is that if it rains, or if the track surface wears over the day, the times will get slower - so most final positions could be determined by the earlier rounds of qualifying in that case - this is irrelevant in the Naul. This system encourages drivers to push themselves whilst Round-by-round can result in drivers cruising around trying to achieve the best average position.

As development officer, I would encourage drivers to "up their pace" within the FTQ sytem and weather and track wear are no longer a factor.

Why on earth have you gone with 4 qualifying heats and only 1 final for a club round. Surely 3heats and 2finals would have been better?

Nobody proposed it - simples.

Your proposal regarding the national series was read out and deemed to be an RCCAOI issue. If I am consulted by the 2012 RCCAOI section rep regarding qualifying preceedures in the championship next year, I will recommend that your proposal is put forward for inclusion into the rulebook.

I think the current best 2 of 3 points (qual+final1+final2) give the pole qualifier a double advantage. 1 point + 2 meters on the grid - this is not fair. Your proposal is fairer.

Thats ok I simply stuck the proposal in to the club meeting because chances are nobody will go to the national meeting and I though it best to get feed back for that proposal from a group of racers rather then one or two that will be at the agm.


My comment above still stands for the club round. Do we think that at a club race we need 4 rounds of qualifying. Would the 3 and 2 not be better format giving more chances to people to have two goes at finals. Also is it ftq or round by round in qualifying.

Thats ok I simply stuck the proposal in to the club meeting because chances are nobody will go to the national meeting and I though it best to get feed back for that proposal from a group of racers rather then one or two that will be at the agm.


My comment above still stands for the club round. Do we think that at a club race we need 4 rounds of qualifying. Would the 3 and 2 not be better format giving more chances to people to have two goes at finals. Also is it ftq or round by round in qualifying.

Its something that could be piloted one week and then drivers can be informed before deciding whether they prefer it. It would have to be passed by a majority vote

tq
 

I would go with Colins idea of 3 qualifying rounds and 2 finals if its going to be ftq.:thumbsup:

On that last post i assume you would have 12 rounds in the championship with 8 to count instead of 6 and 4??

Why? 12 rounds is a long championship. Pretty much every week would have to be a championship round!

Didnt mean that Ian just the two finals on each day classed as seperate rounds, same amount of racing just 2 chances of scoring on the one day. Same for everyone.

Not a bad idea! Im guessing that Colin is more likely thinking about aggregate score from the 2 leg final though.

Surely it has has to be FTQ qualifying for the indoor championship, its astro-turf and its inside, so the tracks not going to change. If it is passed on the day that we adopt FTQ, then it should be as Colin has suggested, 3 qualy rounds and 2 finals for all. That's the way 90% of other clubs run it.

re racing naul
 

Hi guys. I would be in favour of FTQ for race days as it encourages you to get better.

3 rounds qualifying with 2 finals ( taking the average to get results ). ( correct ).

For the naul I think it would be best

Graham

Hi all,

Please see Article 3.13 of the General Competition Rules - www.dublinmodelracing.com.

As per the rules;
If we go round-by-round we must have 4 rounds of qualifying.
If we use FTQ, the amount of rounds is open.

If we have 2 finals, scores from qualifying must count.
If we have 3 finals, qualifying only sorts the grid positions.

To have 3 rounds of qualifying and 2 finals the meeting would have to use FTQ and the results would be calculated from your two best from qualifiying, final1 and final2.

This would have to be proposed, seconded and carried by a majority at the meeting and announced no later that the drivers briefing before Round 1 of qualifying. If this happens and is carried, I would propose that the whole championship adopts this race format.

Will

Can we vote by proxy as I will not be able to make it this Sunday but would like my say?

re racing
 

hi

i would like to propose the following and have it put to a vote

3 rounds of qualifying with 2 finals BASED ON FTQ

with the best 2 of qualify final1 final2 to count towards the result

graham

ps remember starting at 11,00am and if you do not marshall ( or get someone to marshall for you ) after your heat you could pay heavily

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That my option alright Ian.
3 rounds of qualifying , ftq
2 finals . Points based on aggregate of the 2 finals.
Qualifying doesnt count in anyway towards the finishing result on the day purely on your 2 finishes in the finals.

Have to agree with Colin qualifying should only determine were you are on the grid for the finals and then you get points from were you finish in both finals :thumbsup:

Yes I will go for Colin's idea. Sounds better.

I think the reasoning behind the rules in Will`s post (20) is that if you have 1 dnf in one of 2 finals you are at a big points loss.
Where you count qualifying as a scoring round and then you average 2 out of 3 for results ? you have less chance of a big points loss.
Correct me if im wrong but can the rules be changed as it is only a club championship not a national or not ?
On that point it is also good to have a slightly different format for a different championship.:wtf:

my thinking of the race format is qualifying is qualifying and finals are finals. If you had a bad leg during the finals ok u lose points but you shouldnt be able to replacing it with a better position you had 3 or 4 attempts at get throughout the qualifiers. Someone who qualifies pole is at a advantage only needing one good run out of two during finals where as everyone else have to bust themselves for the two rounds to have a chance at a win. Anything can happen in a leg of a final when you only have one go at it you never know what can happen at the first corner ;) .






National wise I may have

The UMCC has adopted the same format this year Colin, I think it is a much better system and I agree that qualifying should be just that, qualifying, you score your points in the finals. The only thing I have noticed is that it can make for some messy finals as everyone is going hell for leather, but at the same time, I think, it is more exciting to race in.

Results are up on www.dublinmodelracing.com
Will have championship points up later in the week

Round 2 of the championship is this Sunday from 10am.

Remember; your total score is calculated by adding your best 2 scores BEFORE Christmas and your best 2 scores AFTER Christmas.

See you there :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Congratulations to Eoin Keating on taking the overall win in 2wd clubman. There was some really good close racing yesterday.:thumbsup:

results updated

Is the next club round this Sunday?

Yes, the last Club round before Xmas is this Sunday - 18th December

Good days racing yesterday, good to see Johnny Dunn of the UMCC make the trip down too. The off road bug is catching......:thumbsup:


Last Round results?????

Round 4 of the DMCC Indoor Championship is this Sunday (15th) from 10am. You need two scores from the next three to add to you two scores from before Christmas to qualify for prizes.

See you there on Sunday from 10am :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Yet another great days racing in the clubman class. It was ever so close yesterday, with anyone of 4 drivers being able to take the overall win depending on the result in F3. At one point it looked like none of us wanted to win it with the lead changing hands on several occasions, mainly due to mistakes being made by all of us. It made for a really exciting final. Big thanks to all involved.:thumbsup:

yep good days racing,finally got a speedo that works :thumbsup:Thanks mick b
Oh yeah sorry about blowing up your other one:thumbdown:

Hey,

No problem at all. Great that we got to the bottom of that issue and you had a good day with the Centro.

MiCk B. :-)

hopefully the first of many:thumbsup: