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Robocop 15-10-2011 09:29 PM

What improvements to the 210
 
HI
Hearing a few things about the car and just wondering,what could be improved was it rushed at the end?

Dudders 15-10-2011 09:33 PM

Looks great on the track and off track :thumbsup:

paulc 15-10-2011 09:33 PM

I don't regret buying one but the instruction book could be better and i do think it's been rushed out

TonyM 15-10-2011 09:43 PM

In my mind it's better than any other kit I've built. OK, the steering mechanism is a bit flimsy, but I'm sure that will be sorted in time. Let's face it, the superb 410 fell down on it's too thin walled servo saver, but it still is a ground-breaking car. The key aspect for me is that, as a lower rank driver, it feels a balanced and safe car.

I've tried it at my local track today and I can push it into corners as quick as my old X6 and it has none of the 'twitchy' feeling that I had from my more recent TLR22.

All of this with no weight added, which speaks volumes for the dynamics of the car.

jonathan may 15-10-2011 09:44 PM

i will let you now when mine finally turns up.

sunbeam 15-10-2011 09:53 PM

I've seen one snap the stearing arm that conects the turn buckles. It is a little thin there. I shall machine up an alloy one during my build this week.

stegger 15-10-2011 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonathan may (Post 567508)
i will let you now when mine finally turns up.

When did you order yours J ? Mine is supposed to arrive tuesday :thumbsup:
Robocop, what have you heard ? It's much to early to even comment yet. Make a judgment after the car has been run for a while !

gainsy 15-10-2011 10:01 PM

Not disappointed in the slightest :D had no major problems with the build & i think it looks great, not run it yet though but can't wait
I have buds balls in the diff & it feels sweet & the locking nut fits properly in the outdrive, have replaced all the plastic washers with alloy ones which has made everything move nicely
I would say the manual could be better, for someone new to the game setting the diff up could be a problem as it doesn't say how much to tighten it up
The only slight niggle seems to be the turnbuckles being so tight they can't be adjusted on the car, on mine this only seems to happen when the ball cup is wound right in, this is because the turnbuckle becomes a bit thicker where the thread stops so if it enters the ball cup it is going to make it stiff, i drilled into my cups about 5mm & enlarged the hole just slightly, i then greased the threads & now i can adjust them on the car :D easy fix but i was lucky to notice the turnbuckle getting slightly thicker
If anyone is having any problems with the build drop me a pm & i will do my best to help you out

andys 15-10-2011 10:04 PM

Not run mine yet, but built it this week.

No servo saver, dodgy steering geometry that casuse the steering to 'lock' at full lock, and yes the steering looks flimsy too, not surprised one has snapped.

Apart from that, everything else looks good.

As Paul said, it would be nice if the manual explained some of the tuning options, ie motor/ gear options, as well as explaining all the inserts.

I'm sure this will be on the website in time :)

mikeyscott 15-10-2011 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulc (Post 567504)
I don't regret buying one but the instruction book could be better and i do think it's been rushed out

Have to agree re the manual. Sorry worst manual I've used recently.

I've taken my time, but at this stage until I learn the car more I have got 100% faith in the build.

Thought the SV manual was very good and in reality I never had a single issue with that car.

cigbunt 15-10-2011 10:23 PM

i cant comment because i dont have one or haven't seen one but im sure there a few people with "buyers remorse"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer's_remorse

mikeyscott 15-10-2011 10:24 PM

I'll decide on the track.

captainlip 15-10-2011 10:24 PM

If this was me posting the thread there would have been a sh!t storm :lol:

Robocop 15-10-2011 10:31 PM

This post is not to put people off i cant wait to get mine but it will highlight things for td to have a fettle with on future kits,i hope i have not upset people but everyone will look at the cars during the build,& things will be tweeked just like on the 410.

4_cell_racer 15-10-2011 10:33 PM

As others have said the manual is lacking info and I found having to guess what to do next to get mine built lol

I also think that the turn buckles maybe a lil too long as as you thread them further into the cups they are also getting closer to where the ball cup!? Trying to get the measurements shown in the manual is hard work! The online manual shows different measurements now!

Timee80 15-10-2011 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainlip (Post 567530)
If this was me posting the thread there would have been a sh!t storm :lol:

So true. PMSL:woot:

racingdwarf 15-10-2011 10:53 PM

Have to admit, I'm glad to read this thred and hope it's on going as people start to run the car in anger, I am itching to get one but from past lessons I think I may wait a month for some probs to be ironed out:thumbsup:

fox 15-10-2011 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robocop (Post 567499)
HI
Hearing a few things about the car and just wondering if they regret getting one,what could be improved was it rushed at the end?

Dick head !!

Timee80 15-10-2011 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fox (Post 567559)
Dick head !!

A bit harsh! seems a valid question to me

racingdwarf 15-10-2011 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fox (Post 567559)
Dick head !!


care to type a bit more and explain why:confused:

jonathan may 15-10-2011 11:06 PM

Don,t post your childish comments here keep them to yourself . it is a valid post and will most likly be constructive one.

jpmatrix 15-10-2011 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fox (Post 567559)
Dick head !!

Why is he a dickhead?

fox 15-10-2011 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racingdwarf (Post 567565)
care to type a bit more and explain why:confused:

Spend £280 on a cougar Or any 2wd

racingdwarf 15-10-2011 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fox (Post 567572)
Spend £280 on a cougar Or any 2wd


Ok, but I still can't quite work out were you are comming from?

I did have a first batch SV, wish I had read a thred like this before with that car

jonathan may 15-10-2011 11:14 PM

what :confused:

Robocop 15-10-2011 11:21 PM

Fox
If you dont want td to know what people want to be tweeked or info or problems that people are struggling with or things that can be made better

fox 15-10-2011 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racingdwarf (Post 567574)
Ok, but I still can't quite work out were you are comming from?

I did have a first batch SV, wish I had read a thred like this before with that car

Really, that's like comparing a Kia with an VW!

stegger 15-10-2011 11:26 PM

Fox, have you had a bit to drink tonight ? Put the keyboard down and go to bed !

gainsy 15-10-2011 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stegger (Post 567587)
Fox, have you had a bit to drink tonight ? Put the keyboard down and go to bed !

+1 :thumbsup:
Don't worry he's off slaging off stotfold now in a different thread :thumbdown:

Robocop 15-10-2011 11:32 PM

But has anyone said anything really bad no,just things that could be tweeked like manual,Maybe a setup book like xray
I have 210 and v3 on order so its not like i dont like durango just tell td sooner what problems as us mear mortals will put the car through more than the likes or jorn etc.
If people finding a few parts are breaking easy i am sure td would sort it if that was needed

eyeayen 15-10-2011 11:41 PM

@ Fox - clicky here

:lol:

gainsy 15-10-2011 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyeayen (Post 567593)
@ Fox - clicky here

:lol:

:thumbsup::lol::lol:pmsl:lol::lol::thumbsup:

fox 16-10-2011 06:27 AM

Sorry Robocop, my comment was out of order.. However I do think it's a ridiculous to say if you regret buying what is a great car, and great value for money...

Big G 16-10-2011 11:00 AM

I find the lower screw securing the spur/pinion cover to the motor plate is obstructed by the unused mounting points on the side pods which has now resulted in me cross threading it :( roll on the option heat sink version lol.

No complaints with the manual from me :)

jonathan may 16-10-2011 11:36 AM

Im not realy worried upgrade parts will come out and every car has a few problem here and there.

andys 16-10-2011 06:04 PM

Ran mine for the 1st time today...
Diff is a nightmare seems sweet on the bench, but run it on a high grip track (carpet indoors) and it slips like a bugger. Had to tighten it up and it started to feel very tight on the bench, others had a similar problem.

I thought I'd run it, see if it would free up, the car ran for 2 mins then lost all drive.
The fault was the circlip in the diff, it had failed and popped out of it's retaining groove.

4 other people at the track had the exact same problem !
Luckily a guy who ran a Couger had anticipated the problem when building his diff, he noted the diff becoming stiff when tightening (as the circlip begins to fail) and he'd replaced his circlip with a Schumacher one.

I rebuilt my diff as did a mate with Schumacher clips and problem solved.

Diff ran ok, but still is nowhere near as free as say an AE diff ?

So beware, your clip could fail in your diff....

MarkLeeds 16-10-2011 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andys (Post 567832)
Ran mine for the 1st time today...
Diff is a nightmare seems sweet on the bench, but run it on a high grip track (carpet indoors) and it slips like a bugger. Had to tighten it up and it started to feel very tight on the bench, others had a similar problem.

I thought I'd run it, see if it would free up, the car ran for 2 mins then lost all drive.
The fault was the circlip in the diff, it had failed and popped out of it's retaining groove.

4 other people at the track had the exact same problem !
Luckily a guy who ran a Couger had anticipated the problem when building his diff, he noted the diff becoming stiff when tightening (as the circlip begins to fail) and he'd replaced his circlip with a Schumacher one.

I rebuilt my diff as did a mate with Schumacher clips and problem solved.

Diff ran ok, but still is nowhere near as free as say an AE diff ?

So beware, your clip could fail in your diff....

I also had the same diff problem at Batley today, however after rebuilding the diff the with the schumacher circlip (thanks Eugene) same happened in the next heat, rebuilt diff again and stretched the circlip slightly and worked ok in the final. And the car was fantastic :D

jonathan may 16-10-2011 06:59 PM

well i will be using the geardiff the moment they are out

kayce 16-10-2011 07:03 PM

I'm always amazed at the threads like this, started by wanna-be engineers whose production experience is limited to clogging the toilet. :thumbsup:

raymondkerr 16-10-2011 07:05 PM

Ran mines today for the first time indoors, carpet. Went fairly well after a tightened up the diff. Has not issues with the diff thereafter. Running an SXX and X12 8.5 at profile 8 on the speedo. Had plenty of power. Had staggers on the front, fitted only to the outer edge of the rim. Steering was ok once I had correct setup the EPA on the radio. Thought about maybe trying spikes or pins on the fronts, not sure weather to go for slim or 4WD fronts as the wheels are wider.

Overall though the car felt good, very similar to my TLR22 when I had it in mid motor config.

The only thing I need to redo is my rear shocks, the pistons stick up about 1.5-2mm from the tops of the shock body which I don't think is right. I have tightened the bottom of the shocks as far in as they go. The front shocks are perfect, but the rears are way too hard, need to go for much lighter oils, I was running 35wt AE oil, but this would appear to be way too heavy.

All in all, very happy with the car so far.

:thumbsup:


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