Stealth 1/10 tc
 

guys have you seen the new stealth 1/10th tc car that comes in at a very sensible price. this is a move between a mardave and top tc cars you can see the pictures on www.rccircuitcars.com under general chat its made in the midlands and i think this is going to be a real middle range tc car

To avoid having to register on that forum, here's the direct link (just the one picture):

http://www.radshaperc.com/Structure/...hChassis01.gif

What class does this fit into? GT10 / World GT? (Edit: nope, those use foam wheels). It can't be a touring car, those must have independent suspension on all wheels. The most similar car I can think of is the Tamiya F103 GT.

Nice idea and design, looks like it could be a good club car depending on the price. It doesn't look like their is any side damping on the rear unless their is a t-bar hidden in there somewhere... I have to agree though it's only rival is the F103GT.

Price is slated for £149.99 - I presume that's for the kit.

The trouble I see with that, is the Schumacher Mi1 (the re-released Mission) is cheaper, and is actually a touring car. There are also quite a number of 2wd tourers out there now too - FF03 and Sabre come to mind, both FWD.

I know too little of the scene to judge, it might gain a following. I can see it appealing to Mardave enthusiasts.

Its going to be a between car 1 up from a dave and just below a full blown tc. the guy who is building these cars is doing a great job something british so im thinking that this car will get loads of support just watch this space!!!!

colmo yes sorry that it put you out to register on the site mate but welcome aboard anyway

Why cant we just browse the site first as you can with oople. It gives you a chance to decide if you like the site or not before signing up.

Point taken mate

T 'Flex' System
Utilising a traditional T-bar set-up in conjunction with adjustable shock absorbers aids traction and cornering speed. Firm set-up for high grip tracks and soft set-up for low grip tracks.

http://www.radshaperc.com/Structure/StealthSpec01.gif

No disrespect intended but that looks like the nearest thing I've ever seen to a model car that wont work - on any level.

It's gonna be a pig to drive, have you ever tried a rwd car on 24mm tc tyres - no grip or traction whatsoever even for brushed.

No races/classes for it - nuff said - therefore no market.

The chassis design is like nothing else out there. There is no need for two expensive longitudinal dampers but there is a need for a lateral one. If it was meant to be cheap and easy then why not go for a friction damper like the old rc12/ corallys et al?

I genuinely wish the maker all the best of luck with it.

For £89 l could buy a Sakura zero S which is a great club class 1/10 4wd touring car.

I don't want to sound negative but I would be interested to know the following ideas behind it, Who is it for? What does it give the rc fanatic that existing chassis classes do not? Why will the consumer spend a high amount on it instead of buying cheaper alternatives in other already established classes?

Oh that looks really bad on the track. I'm wondering why they post this awful video of the car. This is no good marketing...

I like the idea of maybe having more power than grip. The car does look like it's struggling at ardent which is a very high grip track but you don't know I they have used additive on the Tyres what Tyres were used on the car.
It would certaintly benefit from a bigger offset wheel on the rear with a softer tyre compound on the rear also.
Good effort though and would love a go with one to see what it's like.

At last some postives from the last post by Tomo this car is not out to rival the tc gang again its a step up from a dave giving people the chance to have something as a in between the video was of the car going slow for the shots i to think that in the right hands a few tweeks here and there the car will be ok COME ON GUYS ITS BRITISH MADE so hats off to that. i will have one in the next couple of weeks for theguys to have a look at even have a go with thats when the car will grow when people put their imput into the car:thumbsup:

I just dont see how it's a step between mardaves and touring cars when it costs more than lots of 4wd touring cars and doesnt offer anything better than a 4wd TC or even a 1/10 pan car.

And the British thing doesnt make a jot of difference to consumers.

I don't want to sound negative. I have been following the development of this chassis for a long time, it's just that the end result seems a out of sync with it's price when you consider where it's meant to be placed in the target market.

I also must say that the video fails to actually show footage of the chassis, there are static pictures but the car on the track could be anything (although no one doubts it isn't the actual car). They should edit in some video of the actual chassis showing the suspension etc. I think Tamiya set a president in the 80's for this and most have followed. Especially as it's a new chassis so people will need to see how it works etc.

even at low speed it look to struggle with the cornering unless it was a monkey driving it,just looks like a cheap tc with the pivot ball steering rear end looks nice but can tell that the rear end is lighter then the front so explains why the rear end looks like its going also why it struggles to corner its like a moped trying to pull a caravan never guna happen!

tell you what we should all walk round with bearskin hats big grey coats all drive the same car a lada and all holiday in southend.
Give the guy who makes the car a chance as for a moped pulling a caravan some parts of bradford you will see it:p

The closest car this is up against is the f103gt which was a fun car to drive. So you could race it against those if you wanted a class.

As I say I want them to do well, I just concerned about the final price.

I'd like to see the moped pulling a caravan though..:thumbsup:

im just saying what everyone can see look at the front its a touring car look at the rear end its like a link car/ f1 car which looks a lot lighter if i was him id reduce the front end weight get rid of the ball joint steering as its heavy and replace with link car steering and a shock in the centre basic diagram of how i mean []<<--->>[] lol but would reduce weight less parts so cost will drop

That is exactly what i thought !

So those of us who can see the car is something that's been tried before with the Tamiya F103GT and didn't work are supposed to keep our opinions to ourselves because they aren't positive rather than join in the discussion? It's hard to be convinced when your argument centres around it being British and different.

The biggest reason you have given seems to be that it's British, then what's wrong with the cheaper and easier to drive Schumacher Mi1? After all if someone wants to step up from Mardaves to touring cars why buy anything but a club spec or second hand touring car. You won't be able to use the Britishness of it as a valid reason to choose it when there is an alternative in the Mardave V10.

Like others here I have been following the development of this car and to be honest I was surprised they went for a double wishbone front suspension from a touring car, if it used the sliding kingpin front end the prototype car had then a change of wheels would convert it to a GT10 so it could race in an existing class. The double wishbone front end also surprised me as it's moulded plastic so bought in, while the original front end was made in house so surely cheaper. The only thought I have over the front end married to a pan car rear is that Radshape are deliberately aiming to build a car that isn't compatible with current classes which isn't going to help sales as not only do you have to convince racers to try the car, but also try a completely new class. Conversely if the idea is to ignore racing rules and make a car for bashers, that's a non starter as for £40 less you can get a RTR Maverick Strada.

I can only guess the complexity and the limited production leads to the high price, but the reason for a lot of the negative comments is the quoted price. Who is going to pay £149 for the Stealth when the Mardave V10 will be cheaper, for £20 less you can get a Schumacher Mi1 and for £30 more you can buy a full carbon CRC Gen-X10LE. I know the quality of the Stealth will be good, but then so is the quality of the other cars I've listed. If the price came down I'm sure more will be sold.

The one thing the Stealth isn't is a stepping stone to touring cars. Really it's a rival to the new Mardave V10 (with a bigger price tag) and is yet another class of car to be accommodated. Considering F1s aren't exactly filling the clubs when if you want a 1/10th scale rwd car you can buy the F109 for a lot less, if you want a rwd touring car just stick a saloon shell and F104 wheels on an F109. I do know that if someone turned up at my club with a Stealth it would just end up racing at a disadvantage in with the f1s and pan cars.

One thing going for it is spares availability, being made and sold by Radshape, but for many people easy access to spares isn't that important a reason for choosing a car, just look how many people are using 3Racing F109s compared with those running Tamiya F103 and F104.

Us doubters wait to be convinced, although all of us would be very happy if Radshape will be successful with this and hope it leads to bigger and better products..

I wonder if anyone has seen one of these in the flesh yet? I'm interested to know if they got a class of them racing at Ardent etc

Well having been to Radshape HQ I was delighted to say the least that Chris Dickinson. . .
Gave me a kit to play with which was the Stealth . . . WOW
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...main%20Pic.jpg
So the only thing when you get back home is like any other 12 year old kid would do
Yep run into the work shop clear the bench and. . . . B U I L D
On opening the box you are going to be stunned by the Quality of the Parts and how the engraving stands out on the metal bits
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...0the%20box.jpg
Don’t think that this is like any other model car kit you may find from the Far East . . .
Oh no the people at Radshape do make parts for real cars Like Range rover / Morgan / Bentley and even Rolls Royce so you can imaging the quality of the Materials and the craftsman’s ship that this place has they had all there top people on this right from the C.A.D guys down to or is that up to Chris himself
(Sorry Chris LOL)
So before I started I thought it appropriate to get every thing out the box and take a snap shot
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/Full%20contents.jpg
So its all here ready to go does not look much to look at but the Quality is 100% English engineering and it does not get better than this well done to the guys at Radshape Engineering :cheers:
You will probably notice from the Above Picture that some of the items that are time consuming and need experience to set up like the Shock absorbers are already built. . Nice.
Even the rear axle blocks have the bearings already in so take out guessing which way round. . So let’s start the build shall we?
Start off by building the Chassis and T bar with the screws and washers this is straight forward build just follow the diagram but be aware the pictures of the bolts and washers are NOT TO SCALE . . . so you could get confused
I mentioned this to Chris and thought that this needed sorting out as it’s hard for a company like Radshape that have people who are engineers and used to this sort of thing but for a Beginner it could be confusing So I put all the fixings in a container to sort through as I needed them
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...20hardware.jpg
also I would like to see the items for say the chassis and T bar in Bag A and rear pod items and fixings in bag B and so on like in so many other builds but this reminds me of the time I was a Young kid building is first model Meccano kit with nothing more than an exploding diagram
(This way it gets the young minds of kids to explore the build and not just look at a book and copy it. . . LOL also works for adults as well)
oh how I loved my Meccano I spent hours in front of a coal fire in the winter when we had 3ft of snow yea 3ft I kid you not. . . . Any way
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/Rolls%20meccano.jpg
A Meccano Rolls Royce . . . ahhh bisto sorry I mean ahhh those where the days
So with the M3x10 bolts just for those who are not sure most nuts and bolts now days in England are of the “M” standard (metric) and not imperial so an M3x10 is a diameter and x10 is 10mm long and M3x5 is 5mm long OK
So Page 4 section 2 is all about the Ally posts now pay attention here class as there is 27mm & 28mm long as with all metal to metal use a dab of lock tite on the thread
Now the front end blue alloy wish bone don’t fit it up side down see below
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...0build%201.jpg
Next up is the battery tub and this has the laser cut STEALTH in it looks nice and again the quality is superb
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/Materail%20.jpg
Now moving onto the front control steering arms all bearings where in a bag with the diff as you build these up look at the pictures and build a left and right version make sure when built you have the recommended 5mm and 4.5mm ball joint gap for the camber setup
Now onto the front wish bone and again take note with regards the wish bone pivot pins length also some spacers for adjusting the caster. . . . Nice I like this also some long grub screws for ride height down stops the shocks are all the same and feel so smooth and are fitted next then before you know it its all done
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...0build%202.jpg

The rear end is so easy to do I had it done in no time
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...nd%20built.jpg
And before I knew it . . . Oh look its all done
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...te%20build.jpg
The diff in the instruction says comes ready built but as mine was a possible pre production I had to make it up but the instructions are straight forward like most diff’s oh don’t worry about the thrust ball race left over it goes on the end of the wheel.
As I’m into brushless racing these days I thought it best to go for a 13.5 and 2s LiPo but alas the Brushless motor wont allow me to mesh the gears 84 spur and 23 Pinion. . So a phone call to Chris and it works fine on the one we have . . . hmmm so looking at the mounting holes on the axle blocks and the hole on my motor
It’s now clear that the holes are about .5 to 1mm out?
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/...ar%20setup.jpg
So Chris sends me a motor and sure enough it mesh’s no problem the holes on the motor can are about .5mm different and as in the picture below you can now see its easier to mesh
http://www.trackside.co.uk/Radshape/Brushed%20motor.jpg
So I’m going to swop my spur gear from an 84 to say a 78 or 80
So all that’s needed now is your radio gear electrics and away we go oh yea and fit the Touring Car style rubber wheels
I will be doing another piece on the STEALTH as a track review as Chris told me he has some Foam tyres. . :cheers:
And I would like to compare the cars together on the track and get some video's for you all
So stay tuned folks
http://radshaperc.com/Structure/StealthHeader.gif Stealth Web Site

Cheers for that, be good to see what it's actually like on the track.

I've got one of these had for a few weeks now. I love it, proper handful to drive need to be sensitive on the throttle for sure. Need lot of skill to hold drifts (skill which I don't have). The fact that it's direct drive means it is so rapid had mine in large car park other day and barely use half throttle. I swear it does 45+mph with my 13.5 brushless set up. Went to local club on carpet and had awful time though grip roll everywhere, I could improve this of course but it'll never compete with the 4wd tc's. Not sure I really like the club much pay 7 quid and get a total of 10 mins track time. smooth tarmac and lots of it and the car rocks!