come on people when is this C4.1 out
 

Hi everyone. Just to ask anyone or the people who will know when the C4.1 going to be out. I think theres about 5 or 6 people who got them. and for the people who are waiting and waiting. I know its all cool to see it winnin and seeing top drivers usein them, but i think its a bit unfair for the rest of us.

So over to u ..........................

August

"Good", that fortune cooky is bit of an understatement isn't it?

the one coming up or next year? :D

The Cat SX3 was being used for half the season also before the mortals were able to get their hands on it and that was only a week before Round 4.

If CML released the car now and it was failing constantly, etc their name would be dirt. Since they haven't released a car in a long time they want it perfect.

The DEX210 was run at Petit 2010 and again at 2011 and still no word on release.

At the end of the day these things take time to get right.

I can understand the need for getting a new release spot on, but it is very unfair to us mere mortals in competitive events (I don't include myself as I am nowhere near as good to make an A final) that some drivers are using equipment that everyone else doesn't have access to. :(

Doesn't anyone remember the old Rally homolgated regulations back in the good old days of the RS200?

Then you better stop racing, or doing any kind of competition :-) They could test it secretly and not race it, but then you get a losi 22. :drool:

it isn't that unfair when you think about it - the reason why these 5 or 6 guys get to run such prototypes when us mere mortals don't is that they've proven countless times that they're above the rest to start with... so, B4.1 or C4.1 they'd still whoop your rear anyway ;)

Now I'd rather have them test it fully before releasing it to the public anyway than push a lemon on the market (DNX408 anyone?)

Paul

Still a few changes to be made yet chaps, nothing major - just a few refinements to make sure it's spot on for everyone :)

don't forget that Robbo was also in the A final with the B4.1 so rush out and buy one :D

CML will sort you out hehe

c4.1
 

I agree with most comments really. Waiting that little bit longer will mean nothing when we all know the kit is smack on. Its currently being driven by the best drivers in the country...who better to iron out the creases ey?

I'm really keen to see it out in the market aswell though, especially as it reminds me of an oldschool S2 on ali steriods ;)

Just to stir it up a bit...

"silver" schu spikes were withdrawn from an earlier national due to not being commercially available. How is the C4 allowed to race at nationals?

We run control tyres - not control chassis :)

C4.1 wins in Denmark ;) http://www.redrc.net/2011/06/jonas-k...ce/#more-43956

I can see where you're coming from but there are only two items specifically within the 1/10th Off-Road section rules which have any relation to 'commercially available'. These are;

• All wheels and tyres must be commercially available
• Any commercially available 1/10th scale bodyshell may be used....

And to clarify what 'commercially available' means within the rules, this is;

There are obviously other times when commercially available applies to our section and these mainly relate to cells/motors etc. but these are dealt with under the 'Electric Board' rules.


The bodyshell we're currently using has been temporarily adopted from a.n.other car to allow testing to progress, so therefore has been previously available commercially at some point in the past. In fact this manufacturer has had previous National success (see The Mighty Chris Doughty!!) without any problems in this area.

:)

Close but no cigar....

Not shells Phil :D

G

When its ready? Its not really an unfair advantage because the guys using it were the guys at the top anyway.... :p

22.4 :p

You know what, I had a chat with someone about shells at RHR and was told there was no rule....

*fires up Outlook*

Hat off to you Phil :D

Them were the days and the car looked the business ;)

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008n...k/OOP_8768.jpg

ok this is all what im saying ok
 

Tom said this over a month ago at least. (sorry tom)

we have unfortunately had a bit of supplier issue, so project has been set back somewhat, but the delay is weeks rather than mouths.

ok got that

then i know there top guys, but there were 2 , then 4 and 6 , i think. so thay must be makin them just not a lot.
see my point now

again over to u all .....................

I know where you are all coming from, I was a customer long before a team driver and whilst you say its unfair that the team have them now, they don’t have them just to spite you, in the long term it’s on your behalf and whilst now racing the car and seeing the buzz created has been a great time for me personally as someone involved in the project from its inception, there have been the less exciting days...

Leaving work at 5:30, travelling 40 minutes to a track so that we could test elements of the car as much as possible before it got too dark. Giving up Saturdays to do the same, in the cold and rain of late winter. Constant emails between the very small group of people involved, hours on the CAD machine for the main designer who can't act without constant, accurate feedback and information which sometimes was given via a notepad, pencil and calculator as well as the on track findings.

Remember, this is a project by CML, a UK distributor who already distribute a hugely successful 2wd chassis which continues to sell very well throughout the world - but on behalf of their UK market, both team driver and customer they are taking this hugely risky but committed plunge. They are not an established manufacturer with endless manufacturing possibilities to hand, it's a substantial investment for them and they need to be certain that they get it right and that takes time.

It is a lot of effort but everyone involved is delighted with the initial outcome and we know the customers will be also, but producing a car that is easy to drive, has support from a team of respected drivers and is very cost effective, isn't achieved overnight. Trust me, everyone is 100% committed to getting this car out ASAP, and that is when it will be out.

Thanks Phil, I clearly misunderstood the rules!

ok
 

Thank you Tom :thumbsup:

Tom's been an absolute star helping with this project and his comments pretty much cover it.
Trust me, CML will get it out as soon as we can!

For those that are interested the C4.1 has been designated a part number of 'C0001'

What is that beauty???? :woot:

Hey,

This is a picture of Jonas Kaerup C4.1

http://rcspecial.com/news/wp-content.../ka2200611.jpg

Is that an extension on the motor sensor lead that I see over the speedo?

Any one know who makes them? And are the needed for the C4.1.

Thanks,

MiCk B. :-)

Mick,
It's an adapter you have to use with the GM speedo.
They use a different plug into the speedo so is specific to using a GM.
There are plenty of companies that do standard fitment sensor cables long enough to use in a C4.1.
Hope that makes sense.

I also don't think you need a longer cable than in a std b4, the speedo is more up front, but so is the motor :-) In my cr2 I used the same cable as in my B4.

I think you're reading the bodyshell rule wrongly - correct me if I'm wrong but that particular 'rule' mentions only commercially available bodyshells and is a statement of fact - that yes, you MAY use any commercially available bodyshell.
It mentions nothing about you MUST, or ONLY etc. This rule is either intended as the way I've just put it (to inform) or horribly worded and therefore invalid.

I'll run a coke bottle at the next round to prove the point :woot:

People seem to be getting worked up about team drivers having the advantage with the new, yet to be released, cars.

At some point there must be a disadvantage too though, when the car very new and is a short journey along it's development path I can see at least two potential disadvantages:

• Design changing frequently making it harder to get used to the feel of the car.
• Spare parts availablity not being that great.

I know some of these issues will be ironed out before they see a competition race, but to a degree there must still be issues with running such a new design.

Yep

Cheers for that. Didn't know that about the GM speedo.

MiCk B. :-)

ok i will correct you. your wrong:lol:. maybe?. i am not sure why you could not run a "coke bottle" style shell, i am all for innovation and trying different theories on shell aerodynamics. however as i read it you must use a commercially available shell. you are correct it is a bit "wooly" in its wording and i am sure an amendment may be on the cards if that is the case.
will try to find out why you could not use a development shell of your own design at an event, which is really the only place your going to find out if it works or not, providing the shell is in accordance with other rules reference holes etc i dont think we should be stifling development.

john

Tom is spot on. People dont appreciate the time and effort that goes in to developing a car that is not only competitve but respected.

Nice to read this thread tho, normally this is the sort of stuff on the Schumacher thread!

The rules don't actually say what you think they are intending to say. I believe you are reading too much into it.

surely there are trillions of coke bottles commercially available :D

i have a question. If i was to make my own car and run that, is that fair ?. The car i have is a losi xxx cr which i mid motored myself and i enjoy using it but as its not comercially available surely it follows the same issues as team guys using cars like the centro. With the cost of these cars today i am glad these guys are trying to make sure the car is sorted before it goes on sale. For me, i just enjoy making my own parts.

As long as your car fits within the rules then there's no problems at all.

If it's a frame buggy then it doesn't even need a body :woot:

few years ago when the RC8 first came out I think it did close to a full national season with the team drivers before the genral public could get hold of one;)