2008 Battery Rule?
 

Just heard that 2008 may not run 4200nims. Going back to 38's. Can anyone tell me?

Wait for the new BRCA list to be published. They are being stricter on the cell length and some cells may be out. But it is all up in the air until the list comes out.

Hard cased lipos would be a nice addition.

any idea when this list will be out as just bought new cells and will need as much time as poss to change if i have to:confused:

Oh bugger :( when are the BRCA going to learn that not everyone can afford to change cells as they change the EB lists, this is gonna meen i cant race till June (Birthday) and then in June i cant get a new hauler that i will more than likely need by then.

It would be nice to know when the list will be published.

Depending wether or not East Power 4200's are allowed, will dictate if I can enter any Nationals. :confused:

After spending a lot of money recently on new cells I cannot afford to replace them.

Guys, it's nothing new. The cells have to be submitted by 31 December, and the list is usually published during January. Buying new cells this close to the new list being released isn't a great idea.

I bought some East Power cells in the begining of November.

I thought new cells will normally be added to the list in January, rather than cells already listed becoming illegal ?

I dont think it will be effecting regionals. Just nationals and euros. So i wouldnt worry about buying new cells. Im sure the brca will be making the right decision:)

LiL ben

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New Batteries for 2008
And I bet this thread gets read a few times...

This is the process.

Manufacturers have until the end of December to send in their sample cells for homologation testing.

Just like everyone with a deadline to meet they leave it until the very last minute to send them in - the last package being delivered by courier at 7pm on New Years eve.. http://www.rcracechat.com/vb/images/smilies/eek.gif

So there are now lots of cells being measured, charged, measured again, discharged, measured and tested and lots of paperwork to check, and this is all being done in somebodies spare time.

It'll be finished when its finished - which will be in plenty of time for everybody to decide what's the best thing on the list and to go out and get them for the start of the new national season.

In the meantime we'll all just have to wait, which is unusual in the current world of "we must have the new and shiny stuff immediatly" but I doubt it'll cause any lasting physical damage..

think its due to dimension changes as to why cells are going to end up illegal?

I might have to get the Dremel out then !!!

JOKING !!!

i wasnt trying to say anything out of line just i need to start saving if i need 300 quid for new cells

hi all,

Will the current batch of cells that are ' Fine to use week in week out at the moment' suddenly become illegal???

What will happen to the cells over night that will make them illegal?:mad:

JIm:p

from what I understand, manufacturers and matchers have had two years to conform to this rule. Cells are now going to be measured directly after charge for homologation. As I understand it, only one cell had been submitted, but there maybe more. I can understand the ruling etc, but I think what the BRCA has to be careful with, is then wiping all the cells homologated in the last two years off the list. That would be my biggest concern at the mo, after only recently buying 5 packs of IB4200.

Well i bought 3 packs of cells at he beggining of July, i spent £100 but i intended them to last at least till Christmas 2008 and even if there 'OK' for regional use, id still feel guilty using them, i felt guilty using an illegal motor on club nights :p

Guy's, chill out ..... It'll all become clear sooner rather than later! There will be a lot to do but if the guy doing the lion's share of the work is true to previous form we won't be held in suspense for too long.

I am keen to know too as I have less than a dozen charges on my current IB4200s and will, like a few others, have a little frown if they are thrown out for 2008 but thems the breaks!!!!

As for £300 for cells ... how many packs do you think you need? At the price Stormforce sell cells for you could have 8 packs for that and still have £20 left to put towards Neil building them up for you!

At £60 a pack you still can by 5 packs, surely that would be enough even for those who regularly take part in 3 leg finals????!!!!!????

didnt the brca measure the cells for the list last year? surely they did and knew the size i see that they found this rule to cover the blowing up problem caused generally by total missuse ive run these cells for two years all still ok:wtf: also can they ban previously legal stuff i think some common must apply ie a six month transition period or theres gonna be a lot of people stuffed for racing:mad:

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who is doing these tests are they consultant experts in cell technology or laymen :o

The difference is that last year the dimensions only covered brand new cells, the new rule ensures the cells stay within the ISO standard when they are used. The new dimensions rule was stated in the 2007 BRCA handbook, the new dimensions rule is from EFRA and was in their 2006 handbook as well so we have already had a 2 year transition period. If manufacturers don't adhere to the rules with 2 years notice then surely it's the manufacturers fault, not the BRCA or EFRA. There is nothing to say last years cells are actually illegal until they aren't on the list, as long as the manufacturer made their cells to the new dimensions rule, which happens to be the same as the ISO standard the cells should comply with anyway.


For those who have already bought cells for next seasons nationals, if you read your BRCA handbook it states every year the homologation list isn't published until January, so you should never buy cells before then assuming they would be on it. After all until the list is published there is no knowing what new cells will be added.

Good thinking, Lipo must be a way forward.

Regionals will be affected also Ben , as all regionals are run to BRCA rules ..

They are in a 'sense', but the region can choose to opt out of certain things, like in the NE we ran brushless for a year before you could at the Nats.

The NE currently chooses to run motors and cells to the BRCA homologation lists as it's easier, but that might not always be the case ;)

G

It is most like to be Paul Worsley.

i think neil oliver should be consulted as he is a professional in this field:)also if there is a change how available would legal equipment be and at what cost?

Trust me Paul knows all there is to know about most things! He is more than capable of doing the job.

Part of the specs to go on the list of approved cells is how many are available. Worry not people.

G

Ye, no good for the masses if theres loads available but there £40-£56 a pack and theyve just bought 5 packs of illegal ones that were legal :p

Looks like im gonna have to sweet talk someone in the family :p

Absolutely. Hard cased lipo's are used everywhere already so it would be a real pity if they don't make it in.

that is more reassuring

Im pretty sure neil and paul are in contact anyway and what ever decition is made im sure its for the best and i think we should all respect it and its not like we are dumping with out current cells i take about 1800 out of my packs in my cr. The only thing that worries me is people will start changing at silly high charge rates to increase performance if the range of4200/4300 cells are found to be illegal.

A

That was a BRCA decission G, Regionals were allowed to run brushless when Nationals were not. I think it was to allow testing and development of brushless technology 1 year ahead of it's introduction into Nationals.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see a similar thing happen with cells this year. Allowing regional drivers to compete with last years cells and any oversized cells being weeded out of Nationals straight away. I admit this probably wouldn't be ideal for some but it has to happen sooner or later.

Paul said at the meeting that it will only appy to Nationals unless regions choose to enforce it too. I asked the question.

G

My understanding was that cells up to 3300 are the smaller original dimension and cell above that are the larger dimension... If it's the dimension that is the problem then my GP3700's might be banned too! :o

I simply cannot understand the mentalily of some people! This thread was started by Jimmy on 16th Nov 2007. This was at least 1 month after we all knew there were going to be problems with some cells for next year, so if your current cells were knackered, surely just buying 2 or 3 cheap packs was the only option rather than throwing shed loads of money at 6 or seven packs...
If you can afford to do the national series, then a few packs of cells can't be that hard to find, can they?

Well if someone proposed them at the AGM and the majority of BRCA members there vote for them then they would be in, that's why we now have lipos in the touring cars in the Pro Stock class.

If some of the cells become illegal this year i may get soem sanyo 3600 lol there good cells.

A

blunt but exactly right!
i wish saddles are in hard case soon!

could regions allow lipo then, there will be a lipo list from the BRCA EB

see above! there in for TC 19 turn, no one proposed em for off road!

Why oh why do you people not look at the rules

Go to the electric board web site look at the battery rules and regs

It tells you there what is what.
You can then check if your cells are legal or not

In any case how many times have your cells been checked?????

If you are in the A final at euro's then I would worry

Its not that the rules on the electric board are 2007 cells the cells have to be reviewed for 2008 and due to the increase ammount of cells failling the brca is reviewing the safety and being more strict wit rules so they are reviewing the cells.

A

I bought my cells at the beginning of the indoor season as the cells were on the EB List, my concern right at the moment, is that I am unsure whether this new ruling will apply to NEW cells or all on the current list. If that is the case, I bought my cells in good faith of legality and now they might not be.