Am I mad for thinking of going back to my B4 from my 22??
 

Im seriously thinking about going back to the B4 from the 22 for Talywain, thoughts?

If its what you feel comfortable with and can drive it well, I say go for it :thumbsup:

I've gone back to my X6. I found the 22 to be unforgiving and hard to work on in mid motor, much more forgiving in rear motor though. Just cant seem to gel with it.

From what we are seeing you are not alone.... ;)

I'll never stray again:blush:

ive got a 22 but have raced my b4 at the batley regional and will be racing b4 at south lakes,it is a well built car but i cant get on with it.

The question is ... Which one do you feel more confident with?

Chances are, If the thought entered your head in the first place, Then you have already made your decision. :)

The 22 is a extremely quick car and can turn in the laptimes to prove this.

It is a very on the edge car to drive, needs full attention to get it around quick and consistent

Think the reward would be greater with getting the 22 round.

The problem I've found is it lacks forward drive and wants to rotate at any given opportunity, even in a straight line. When you first drive it you get the impression there is a good car locked away inside and all it would take is some fine tuning with the setup and the beast would be unleashed. However no matter what I've tried the same problem prevails.

That's what I thought, however just cant find a way to get it there.

I'm going to say stick with the 22
and it has nothing to do with me wanting to see if you'd sorted the lack of left turning thing that we both had at the regional last week sunday :lol:


The 22 is a good car. yeah it may not seem that way now, but its new from the ground up, its going to take time and fiddling to get it right.
The B4's been out for ages and has tons of hop ups and spares and everyman and his dog has a setup for it. its not like that with the 22 yet. which is what makes it more fun. trying new things and getting it to work the way you want

I'd be happy if I could just get it to go left all the way.
everything else for me seems to be fine. think i've just got my shocks sorted to what feels comfortable. 6 hole 56's up front are the dogs dangly's

do it wayne you know you always drove the b4 well so just stick with it.
then again i beat you at the first n/e regional so stick with the 22:lol:

this is what i found,i changed it quite a bit but then found it looked like i couldnt drive slow corners without it swopping ends in the middle,for me the setup didnt suit my driving,the only way around it was bold front tires and brand new rear,not the answer,i raced at a reginal last sunday and was ready to ditch it,i had nothing to loose so i changed my setup alot and can now run brand new cut staggers front and the new dboots,its so easy to drive and doesnt need to be driven hard to get good times and its very consistant,i managed a 16th in the last round after running in the 40s

I could jump on that bandwagon Chris , only joking Wayne... you did take a corner off the car though didn't you?

I'd go back to the B4 for a national, it's too far to go to try new stuff on the 22.

Before going back to the B4 if youd like try my setup. The car has good amounts of grip, awesome direction change and forward traction.

I've had numerous people say its the best 22 they have seen running :thumbsup:

Just PM me should should anyone want it

Paul

Just because it's new doesn't automatically mean it's better :)

There must be an error in the instructions for the 22, you managed to screw the gearbox in the wrong way round on yours :p

at the end of the day mate, you need to drive what feels right for you and what you comfortable with. maybe for nationals stick with B4 as you know you can get the results. and then for club races go with 22 until your happier with it

Setup below, this is how I ran it indoors, have tried it outdoors was great, just think it needs a bit more weight in it

Front Suspension
Toe: 0'
Ride Height: wishbones slightly above level
Camber: 2'
Castor: 10'
Kick Angle: 20'
Oil: 27.5w Losi (going to try 30w Losi oil)
Piston: 6 hole 1.3mm tapered
Spring: Green
Spindle Type: Kit
Shock Limiters: 2mm
Shock Location: 2-middle
Bump Steer: 0mm
Camber Link: 1 - 2mm washers on tower, 0mm washers on hub

Rear Suspension
Chassis Configuration: Mid
Toe: 4'
Anti Squat: 1'
Roll Center: HRC
Ride Height: Driveshafts Level
Camber: 3'
Wheel Base: Long
Oil: 32.5w Losi (going to try 35w Losi and red spring)
Piston: 6 hole 1.3mm tapered
Spring: Orange
Shock Limiters: 0mm
Camber Link: 1-B (2mm under hub and tower ball joints)
Shock Locations: 2-inside

62g under 96mm lipo (which is about the same as a pack of saddles) so effectivley no extra weight.

Front tyres: yellow staggers
Rear Tyres: yellow mini pins (medium insert)

Speed passion LPF
Ocra 5.5t motor
Savox slim servo

after 4 years of my B4 changed to a 22 and like it so far, yer ok it's had a few things to sort out, is it as good as my B4? well prob not yet as I have only driven it for about 6 meetings, set up still needs to be sorted here and there, but it's not realy fair to say it's not as good as my B4....I gave the B4 four years it was sweeeeeeet:wub, but fancied a change and I think my 22 will be just as good in time


Oh yer I do run the motor in the right place......out the back:thumbsup:

Edit. this said I did run a cougar for 2 months over the winter, that was as long as I could stand the god awfull thing, so yes I agree, the are times when you soon know a car is just not for you

have you not tried running your kids car? or get the fastrax conversion for your b4?

Mark

Personally im loving my 22 i too struggled with the car at first wanting to change ends at random but after a few setup changes changes and a bit of practise im much much happier with it. Dont give up straight away try some more setup changes few more meetings.

Ash

I understnd why ppl may be thinking of changing back to what they know, even i have had that thought, but i have decided to change the car to rear motor and i'm just going to keep working on the car for the rest of the year its a new car and a 1st for Losi in a number of years so perfection is not going to come straight out of the box.. but it will come

(I Hope)

I say stick with the 22 wayne and get some more weight as well as tinker with set ups, I can lend you that plate again at taly if you need it :thumbsup:

I have some nice 82g weights wayne if you want to try one. to fit under saddle pack lipos.
I'll have them with me at tally or you can PM me and I'll send you one. :)

I love craigs car, it's incredible. But as Fabs is struggling to source the gearboxes then i can't afford to take that risk

Love the 22. kept my X6 for a good few weeks to make sure the Losi was going to be good enough to replace it. Wasn't sure for a while, but after much fiddling with weight and set up on the chassis, i'm now well pleased and the X6 has moved on to a new owner.
I like the fact that this is a totally new machine and no-one has the ultimate base set up yet. To many people are bailing out on the 22 because they think its rubbish for not being the mutts nuts straight out of the box.
This car takes a beating too when you arse it up, which is a relief when your attacked by the rest of the field!!!:eh?:
It's real satisfiying to be able to try a different set of adjustments and feel the difference and see the laps increase. 2 minor adjustments at club the other week saw my first race put 15 laps in, then followed by 18 then 19 and 20 in the final.:D
By the end of the season some good set ups will be sorted for the car and we'll see them even faster than they are now:thumbsup:.
As far as lack of forward traction goes, i had to dial some out as there was so much of it, i struggled to stop it going straight on while on the gas. Same sort of thing went for the steering when turning in. It was so aggressive i had to calm that down to stop it swapping ends.
The biggest effect on the cars handling was adding 110gram of lead under the lipo and 45grams on the rear end.:thumbsup: