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bodgit 09-05-2011 09:33 AM

Is Vettel unstoppable?
 
With three out of four wins and to be honest only tyre wear stopped it (they wont be doing that again) being four is the Red Bull and Vettel unstoppable.
He,s just driving off ahead of the field and his lead already is big. Other cars have bought their improvements to the track and still he just trounces them.
I hope we see someone catch him up soon so the season is not over before it has begun. The finish of last season was the best for years but this looks a completley different story.

Stotty 09-05-2011 09:49 AM

Simple answer yea hahaha

gaza121 09-05-2011 10:18 AM

YES - Simples!!:D

DaSloth 09-05-2011 10:26 AM

seems to be a case of you have to out qualify him really, which unless he makes a mitake is a hard task!

i think schumie can retire again, we have a german dominator already! :p

Matt-h 09-05-2011 10:35 AM

No. Put Hamilton or Alonso in the same car

frogger 09-05-2011 11:36 AM

It's getting to the point where we don't want to bother watching F1 anymore. We are not Vettel fans and he seems to have such a margin that the other drivers just don't stand a chance unless Redbull makes a big mistake. :thumbdown:

I am happy for Hamilton, Button or Webber to win, just not that arrogant little German boy. :mad:

JohnM 09-05-2011 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt-h (Post 499663)
No. Put Hamilton or Alonso in the same car

Half of the field in the same car would murder Vettel, he is average at best, just has by far the best car at the mo.

AndyF 09-05-2011 12:30 PM

He is, but he is very very good. If you watch his quali lap and then watch some of the in car footage you can see that.

He is a very good driver in a very good car. The winning package at the moment. I wonder if the likes of Button and Webber should qualify only on hard tyres and save all 4 sets of soft for the race. They can let the field spread whilst they run hard tyres and then with the fuel dropping off they can put in 4 super quick stints using DRS to eliminate their much worse track position.

jhammond 09-05-2011 12:35 PM

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bodgit 09-05-2011 12:47 PM

His only shortcoming is overtaking. He can put in a fantastic qualifying lap he can put in very fast laps when out in the lead on his own but under pressure with cars around him he may not have shaken off the habit he had last year of colliding with anyone he tries to overtake.
Sadly for this to happen someone has to get ahead of him first unless everyone pits and waits for him to come round then knock the crap out of his car. Sooner or later will JB or Lewis take one for the team;)

kinggareth 09-05-2011 12:55 PM

Unfortunately, as has been the case for years winning Grand Prix is 90% down to the cars.
The margin that Red Bull have over everyone else appears to be huge, and all we can hope for right now to make the season more interesting is some unreliability from them like we've seen in the past.

Vettel is a good driver, but if you get the likes of Kubica, Hamilton, Alonso or even Rosberg in the same car then he certainly wouldn't be having things all his own way. You have to wonder how Webber struggles so much, or why Red Bull keep him on when he appears to be a second rate driver - they must have other drivers queuing up to drive.
i reckon they should give Paul Di Resta a drive next year.

superstu55 09-05-2011 12:58 PM

Get him up the armco, that will take the wind out of his sails :lol:

Nick Goodall 09-05-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kinggareth (Post 499724)
Unfortunately, as has been the case for years winning Grand Prix is 90% down to the cars.
The margin that Red Bull have over everyone else appears to be huge, and all we can hope for right now to make the season more interesting is some unreliability from them like we've seen in the past.

Vettel is a good driver, but if you get the likes of Kubica, Hamilton, Alonso or even Rosberg in the same car then he certainly wouldn't be having things all his own way. You have to wonder how Webber struggles so much, or why Red Bull keep him on when he appears to be a second rate driver - they must have other drivers queuing up to drive.
i reckon they should give Paul Di Resta a drive next year.

I think you've answered your own question, they don't want two drivers taking each other out (like last year haha) or competing too much as the championship gets harder if they're sharing points all the time, it's always best to have someone who's going to dominate and a 2nd driver to be consistent...

Webber is miles off though, i know last year he beat Vettel in a few races but on pace Vettel is so much faster, just like Hamilton is against Button....

I would love to see Lewis in that Red Bull just to see what he could do with it! No doubting Vettel is good, but his stupid 1 finger "Number 1" Gesture after every P1 and race win DO MY HEAD IN - He just comes across as such a toooooooooool, he is just not and never going to be "cool" if you know what i mean.... as for the stupid things he says over the radio, that's just as annoying too.....

wacattack 09-05-2011 02:07 PM

I bumped into him at a GP last year and because Buemi signed my piece of paper first he flat out refused to sign it, ergo I cant stand the arrogant little man :thumbdown:

Big G 09-05-2011 02:13 PM

I'm bored with Vettel too. Much prefer watching Lewis or Jenson.

F1END 09-05-2011 02:44 PM

The question you should really be asking is "Is Adrian Newey unstoppable?"

It's 90% the car.

He's not dominating as much as Button was 2 years ago, and that was the car too.

Having said that, there's still only about 10 drivers in the world who could beat him in the same car.

lochness42 09-05-2011 04:42 PM

I don't like him and I'm definitely not his fan (same goes to Alonso), but it's as it is he's got best car on the grid and he can drive it. Seems like lethal combination and unless something will go wrong like last season it will be way too easy for him to win second time in a row.

Steve.T 09-05-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by F1END (Post 499763)
The question you should really be asking is "Is Adrian Newey unstoppable?"

It's 90% the car.

He's not dominating as much as Button was 2 years ago, and that was the car too.

Having said that, there's still only about 10 drivers in the world who could beat him in the same car.

agreed

kinggareth 09-05-2011 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1END (Post 499763)
The question you should really be asking is "Is Adrian Newey unstoppable?"

It's 90% the car.

He's not dominating as much as Button was 2 years ago, and that was the car too.

Having said that, there's still only about 10 drivers in the world who could beat him in the same car.

Double agreed.

I hope Newey is being paid more than the drivers, as he's the real reason for Red Bulls domination. He's a legend.

To be honest i'd love to see Button doing well again cuz he's such a top bloke. Sadly he's playing second fiddle to Hamilton who's a massive TOOL.

teamorsum96 09-05-2011 07:02 PM

tbh i remember not long ago another german driver that was winning most of the races and look at the mistakes he was doing

teamorsum96 09-05-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Big G (Post 499756)
I'm bored with Vettel too. Much prefer watching Lewis or Jenson.

i dont totally agree with u there about lewis hamilton, the english press make out hes best driver ever. i disagree.

beckybean66 09-05-2011 07:33 PM

i dont mind who wins, aslong as its not hamilton, or even him getting on the podium, in a middle of a good old pile up would be nice lol... go german racers :D

Steve.T 09-05-2011 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by beckybean66 (Post 499905)
i dont mind who wins, aslong as its not hamilton, or even him getting on the podium, in a middle of a good old pile up would be nice lol... go german racers :D

I never wish any driver in a "good pile up".
Neither should you

teamorsum96 09-05-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve.T (Post 499927)
I never wish any driver in a "good pile up".
Neither should you

note wrong with a good pile up :)

beckybean66 09-05-2011 08:07 PM

a pile up or just retire, either way i will be happy just get him off the track :thumbsup:

teamorsum96 09-05-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by beckybean66 (Post 499931)
a pile up or just retire, either way i will be happy just get him off the track :thumbsup:

must be a vettle fan
im a webber fan :thumbsup:

Steve.T 09-05-2011 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by teamorsum96 (Post 499930)
note wrong with a good pile up :)

Everything wrong with a "good pile up".
Think about it, these guys earn their living at 200mph plus.
Your "good pile up" means people are hurt or worse.
I have watched F1 for 33 years and seen too many drivers die or get hurt to believe in a "good pile up".

ashleyb4 09-05-2011 08:22 PM

Im a webber and rosberg fan, but i like vettel so im happy to see him win, If anyone doesnt desearve to win its lewis. Cant stand the jumped up .....

Also liking the looks of di Resta should well be a good middle of the road driver for the future.

At the end of the day there might be better drivers out there but vettel is getting his head down, working with his team and the package red bull has and its turning it into results. Which is what they are there to do..

Ash

beckybean66 09-05-2011 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashleyb4 (Post 499951)
Im a webber and rosberg fan, but i like vettel so im happy to see him win, If anyone doesnt desearve to win its lewis. Cant stand the jumped up .....

Ash

YEEEEEEEEY :thumbsup: 100% agreed.. even hate going into my bank, cos he is there in cardboard form grinning at me grrrr lol

teamorsum96 09-05-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashleyb4 (Post 499951)
Im a webber and rosberg fan, but i like vettel so im happy to see him win, If anyone doesnt desearve to win its lewis. Cant stand the jumped up .....

Also liking the looks of di Resta should well be a good middle of the road driver for the future.

At the end of the day there might be better drivers out there but vettel is getting his head down, working with his team and the package red bull has and its turning it into results. Which is what they are there to do..

Ash

+1 ash :thumbsup:
and me personal dont think that F1 drivers are the best in the world its only worlds best open wheelers. takes balls to drive a rally car at the speeds loeb and solberg.

hope that the new phase of rehab is going well for Robert Kubica:thumbsup:

Steve.T 09-05-2011 08:32 PM

I've liked dresta so far

qatmix 09-05-2011 09:39 PM

I don't get all the Lewis hate. He is a brilliant driver, and nice as pie to people. Sometimes when he does interviews etc he is very corporate, that's because he is professional, and feels that he owes a debt to the company that has nurtured his talent. That's not arrogant, that's respectful.

When people meet him at events, or in public he comes across as a nice fella and without ego.

Along with Alonso they are the most exciting drivers out there.

Nick Goodall 11-05-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by qatmix (Post 500021)
I don't get all the Lewis hate. He is a brilliant driver, and nice as pie to people. Sometimes when he does interviews etc he is very corporate, that's because he is professional, and feels that he owes a debt to the company that has nurtured his talent. That's not arrogant, that's respectful.

When people meet him at events, or in public he comes across as a nice fella and without ego.

Along with Alonso they are the most exciting drivers out there.

Very well said!!!!!!!!!!!

Really can't understand all the hatrid towards Lewis, IMO he single handedly revived the UK Interest in F1 as so many fan boys got bored in the Schumacher years, as soon as there was finally a good British driver making things interesting (The first since Mansell) EVERYONE was jumping back on the F1 band wagon and loving it again....

He is a class act, most talented driver in the field at the moment and always prepared to take a risk and actually over-take - Something not many other drivers seem to do now.

teamorsum96 11-05-2011 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall (Post 500738)
Very well said!!!!!!!!!!!

Really can't understand all the hatrid towards Lewis, IMO he single handedly revived the UK Interest in F1 as so many fan boys got bored in the Schumacher years, as soon as there was finally a good British driver making things interesting (The first since Mansell) EVERYONE was jumping back on the F1 band wagon and loving it again....

He is a class act, most talented driver in the field at the moment and always prepared to take a risk and actually over-take - Something not many other drivers seem to do now.

but you got to remember damon hill,fair does hes wast a great world champion but still he was 1, and who was the last brit to win the championship............. oooo yea it was jenson button, not that jumped up......

you got to think the year hamliton won the world championship was the first year back with no traction control and half the computer gismos, and what was GP2 basically that, so he already had a jump start on the drivers that was racing the year before in F1.

beckybean66 11-05-2011 05:29 PM

if he was so tallented and the best driver wouldnt that mean he would win every race he did and not come 5th or wherever it was in the last race lol

wacattack 11-05-2011 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beckybean66 (Post 500764)
if he was so tallented and the best driver wouldnt that mean he would win every race he did and not come 5th or wherever it was in the last race lol

You must really understand F1 with comments like that :woot:

teamorsum96 11-05-2011 05:55 PM

its true what she says, if hes the best,then he would be on top

beckybean66 11-05-2011 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wacattack (Post 500771)
You must really understand F1 with comments like that :woot:

just keep it simple and straight to the point lol

lochness42 11-05-2011 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamorsum96 (Post 500774)
its true what she says, if hes the best,then he would be on top

Yeah he would be on podium with HRT :eh?: There's more than just best driver in car, there are quite many things that decide it nowdays. Uhm and no I don't think that Lewis is the best but your comment is still pointless really.

SlowOne 11-05-2011 07:59 PM

Isn't the problem that these days it's not enough to support someone, you have to hate someone else? Why is that? What is wrong with people who see people as being hated and wishing them ill? Beats me...

Anyone in that Red Bull would be unstoppable. Vettel is a good driver, just look at those qually laps on-car - smooth, controlled, always on it - but I bet Hamilton, Button and Rosberg would be 3 from 4 in that car!

It isn't easy to win in F1. In 50 years of the space race, over 450 people have been into space. In 60 years of GP racing less than 110 people have won a GP, and only 31 (think, might be one or two either side of that) have won a World Championship. Vettel is good, make no mistake, but no, he's not unstoppable. Roll on the next GP!

Perhaps the question should be: Adrian Newey - is he unstoppable? 100 wins and counting...


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