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captainlip 17-01-2011 10:13 PM
losi diff rings?
 
next month im rebuilding the diffs with 12.5k and 7k ultimate diff oils,

need some diff seals and aparently losi ones are the best, but I forgot the part number and cant find it on je spares.

slowjun 18-01-2011 10:31 AM
My bad...

JohnM 18-01-2011 11:39 AM
A3505, or at least that's what someone posted a few weeks back.

fastinfastout 18-01-2011 02:02 PM
have not heard of the losi seals, I hear kyoshos are the way to go

DarkDog 18-01-2011 02:46 PM
You could also use these: http://www.tresrey.com/tresrey/products/tys246_eng.html

AmiSMB 18-01-2011 03:00 PM
I think also some have been saying to use a thicker washer after the o-ring and before the e-clip as this can help keep the o-ring seated and stop the output cup from floating so much.

dpackster1980 18-01-2011 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmiSMB (Post 453812)
I think also some have been saying to use a thicker washer after the o-ring and before the e-clip as this can help keep the o-ring seated and stop the output cup from floating so much.
Use thicker washers 0.8mm, part no TD709001. Reduces outdrive wobble, end float which opens up the seal causing excess leakage. I use the standard seals and only need to slightly top the diffs once every 4-6 weeks depending on how often I race. :)

With the thicker waahers the standard seals are fine.

Now for the moaners, the every seal leaks you can not stop them leaking it's trying to seal a rotating part!!!

An x-seal is the most efficient way of sealing a rotating part and if use an o-ring it has a larger contact area causing friction and a tighter diff.

Yes use them in 8th nitro because they use thicker oil so friction has a minimal effect. But on the 410 it'll create a tighter diff action.

I'm sure in the years of development durango chose an x-ring for the above reasons. :p

Andyp 18-01-2011 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpackster1980 (Post 453908)
I use the standard seals and only need to slightly top the diffs once every 4-6 weeks depending on how often I race.
You dont go fast enough Pack to spin the oil out :lol:

Kyosho p5 are the ones people use , have them in mine and no problems........ yet !

dpackster1980 18-01-2011 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyp (Post 453934)
You dont go fast enough Pack to spin the oil out :lol:

Kyosho p5 are the ones people use , have them in mine and no problems........ yet !
Where were you Andy on Sunday? I was fast enough to beat all the full fat Durangos, you would've been another notch on the bed post sonny.

I was fast enough, I hope I beat you at the next round. :p

Holeshot 18-01-2011 08:17 PM
Kyosho P5 - Part No: KYOORG05
Ive heard of people using Losi ones aswell without any problems.

WHITTLER555 18-01-2011 08:18 PM
Hmmm interesting? I re-built my diffs with the Losi O ring and raced all day Sunday with no hint of drag on the diffs or any oil leakage.

There seemed to be no detrimental effect at all?

There is no extra drag on the diffs as the gear and outdrive spun freely before I completed assembly.

I will use the car again this Sunday and if the diffs are not leaking I will consider the change a success.

Damo.

dpackster1980 20-01-2011 09:57 PM
Well, I've decided not to be a sheep. I'm going to change my seals to HPI P5 o-rings. They seem cheaper than Kyosho and Losi seals. :thumbsup:

The part no is A020 apparently, I'll let you know the outcome. :confused:

cmgreen 21-01-2011 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpackster1980 (Post 453949)
Where were you Andy on Sunday? I was fast enough to beat all the full fat Durangos, you would've been another notch on the bed post sonny.

I was fast enough, I hope I beat you at the next round. :p
The other week Andy beat me and i beat you..........:thumbsup::thumbsup:

MADMAX79 21-01-2011 08:17 AM
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59409

dpackster1980 21-01-2011 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmgreen (Post 454845)
The other week Andy beat me and i beat you..........:thumbsup::thumbsup:
I had interference otherwise it would've been a differnet story, I wasn't off the pace in qualifying.

Gone back to 40mhz. now so shouldn't have any issues. :thumbsup:

cmgreen 21-01-2011 11:55 AM
Mint :thumbsup:

Andyp 21-01-2011 08:25 PM
HaHa with cmgreen,

@ dpack you have only gone back to 40mhz while your 2.4ghz get serviced @ toys 'r' us !!!

Really tho, pack that is a good find if you have found hpi seals and they are the same. kyoshos are expensive and seemed to be getting a little hard to find a little while ago.

captainlip 22-01-2011 01:04 AM
bought the hpi ones for £3.40, kyosho ones at over £6 is a rip off

JohnM 22-01-2011 11:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainlip (Post 455164)
bought the hpi ones for £3.40, kyosho ones at over £6 is a rip off
and the Losi ones are about £1:40 from MK Racing:D

dpackster1980 22-01-2011 11:35 AM
The HPI ones aren't described as silicone so they'll probably just be rubber. I think they'll be harder but should be more than upto the job as they are fitted in aload of HPI ic car diffs. :thumbsup:

If it works what a find, it's less than £2 for 4.

captainlip 22-01-2011 12:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM (Post 455201)
and the Losi ones are about £1:40 from MK Racing:D

that includes postage! :thumbsup:

mark christopher 29-01-2011 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpackster1980 (Post 453908)

Now for the moaners, the every seal leaks you can not stop them leaking it's trying to seal a rotating part!!!

utter bollocks, loads of applications seal high pressure rotating parts hydralic pumps crack seals etc etc

dpackster1980 29-01-2011 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 457616)
utter bollocks, loads of applications seal high pressure rotating parts hydralic pumps crack seals etc etc
You are wrong, I work for an excavator manufacturer and know what seals fit what applications they are suited to.

If the orings are so great why aren't they used as crank seals on engines, on output shafts on anything that rotates that especially exposed to the elements Mark? All these use spring loaded seals as they are better at keeping the crap out.

As for hydraulics, internals use orings and on the external casings on output shafts spring loaded seals are used.

Unfortunately it's not possible to make them that small otherwise they be perfect for the Durango.

The next best thing would be a slightly oversized standard seal with a deeper groove in it.

Mark you seem to think know better than everyone that's ever lived. Obviously you should a head designer of everything because manufactures of their own products are wrong. :woot:

mikeyscott 30-01-2011 06:55 PM
Fitted the p5 kyosho rings and feels much better. Time will tell.

Will prob order the washers too.

Just a case of what oils to put back in now..

mikeyscott 31-01-2011 06:57 PM
Would change the seals, but can't get the f'ing thing apart. Gear will not budge! Now where is my 511!!

dpackster1980 31-01-2011 09:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 458382)
Would change the seals, but can't get the f'ing thing apart. Gear will not budge! Now where is my 511!!
Block of wood, hole slightly larger than the outdrive, old driver and a small hammer = diff in bits :lol:

You'll ruin the e-clip and washer but it's quick and doesn't damage the diff casing either. :)

mark christopher 31-01-2011 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpackster1980 (Post 457661)
You are wrong, I work for an excavator manufacturer and know what seals fit what applications they are suited to.

If the orings are so great why aren't they used as crank seals on engines, on output shafts on anything that rotates that especially exposed to the elements Mark? All these use spring loaded seals as they are better at keeping the crap out.

As for hydraulics, internals use orings and on the external casings on output shafts spring loaded seals are used.

Unfortunately it's not possible to make them that small otherwise they be perfect for the Durango.

The next best thing would be a slightly oversized standard seal with a deeper groove in it.

Mark you seem to think know better than everyone that's ever lived. Obviously you should a head designer of everything because manufactures of their own products are wrong. :woot:
im just challenging your claim that all seals on rotating parts leak!! the sentance of yours i high lighted in bold!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dpackster1980 (Post 453908)

Now for the moaners, the every seal leaks you can not stop them leaking it's trying to seal a rotating part!!!

captainlip 07-02-2011 09:17 AM
everyone keeps telling me to get the losi or kyosho seals

i have some hpi p5 part# a020

is there any reason why i cant use these or a possibility that they would fail like the durango ones?

dpackster1980 10-02-2011 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainlip (Post 460760)
everyone keeps telling me to get the losi or kyosho seals

i have some hpi p5 part# a020

is there any reason why i cant use these or a possibility that they would fail like the durango ones?
They'll fit, I'm running them.

They are not silicone so don't know if they'll eventually swell but I doubt they will because they are used on the HPI gear diff outdrives.

Cheaper and easier to find in stock than Kyosho ones! :thumbsup:


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