Kinwald tests the Durango Short Course
 

Team Durango:
For the last month, two-time World Champion Brian Kinwald, has been testing the Team Durango DESC410R. We asked Brian how he felt the testing had gone. He had this to say, “After driving a few different 4wd Short Course trucks I can honestly say that the Team Durango DESC410R feels like you’re cheating! When you’re out on the track it has more steering and superior suspension capabilities over any other truck by far!!!
I won’t name names, but many top drivers have seen it run and they all say the same thing, ”That’s not even fair”. I have only run it for a few weeks and already I’m in love …”
Thanks to Brian’s work, we are getting close to announcing the final launch date of this exciting new car. It’s great having a racer of Brian’s quality driving for us and we are confident that with his help, the DESC410R will be THE Short Course car to beat in 2011.

With Brian K already driving the 4wd Durango and now "testing" the Short Course Truck, how long before we see him "testing" the 2wd Durango? ;)

I'll do it if he's too busy haha

I can give the low down on what it goes round a frozen kiddy track no problem :D

Only if i can help to:p

forgot haw small that dude was still looks 10years old too!lol

Apparently he's still X-factory signed ?? So 2wd testing we may not see.

Would be good to see him fully signed for Team Durango, They have all the cars!

Oh purleeeasee...thats so corney I feel like vomiting.

I've never had any interest in Short Course, they all seem a weird, I reckon this will up the whole game into a class to be taken seriously.

Where do I put my name down for one?

I can't decide if this car will make 4wd Short Course, or kill it.
The fact is it really is like cheating, given that the opposition are all nitro conversions (SCRT10/Hyper 10SC) or pure bashing cars (Slash 4x4) and this is the only serious racer.
But its also just an overgrown DEX410, so there is a danger that SC's become too much like buggys.

tbh after seeing SC racing I would rather stick with buggys

As much aas im sure this new truck will be the dogs.. i dont honestly see the point of 4WD Short Course??

I have a 2WD Ultima SC/R.. and to be honest its the best fun you can have.. other people who have driven it have said exactly the same... you always come of the rostrum with a big grin!!

4WD to me will kill the class for sure... it will take the fun out of racing them..
:thumbdown:

But you have raced against Johnny's Hyper 10SC, which is 4wd and a total laugh too. So it is possible.
However the Hyper 10SC isn't a terribly serious racer, his is overpowered and wobbly, which is what makes it fun.
A serious racing chassis could well remove all that, making it smooth, balanced and boring.....

A good point well made

Team Durango SC Truck
 

It reminds me of what Team Losi did with the XX4 lots of years ago and called it Soda Trucks, can anyone remember them???know they didnt take off here, but sort of did in the states???

And it's not even original, I'm sure I read the bit about cheating on the XFactory advertising a couple of years back!:lol:

sc 4wd power pwer drift big air rubbin is racin
 

si had/has a soda truck he raced last year in with the sc trucks and electric 8ths:o at chadderton
and i will have you no the the hyper 10 sc is a very serious racer in my case it just doesnt have a serious driver ( 4 cell final any one ):woot: but look on rc short course in the usa on dirt they seem unbeatable but over here on the more grippy surfaces we race at they need real work to set up
however at kieghthly on the grass track and big doubles it comes into its own and leaves the 2wds struggling for grip and traction and could out drift them on the corners
where as at chadderton the 2wds get round thr grippy indoor track tight and fast like a buggy but the 4wd gets to much grip on the rear and understeers ( i have some toe in mods to do yet)
but i think sc as class is fantastic either 2 or 4wd both have advantages wich makes for good and very enjoyable racing
this durango truck looks amazing and i bet it shifts . 550 can anyone
and will probly handle a lot better with its buggy characteristics and i would be lying if i said i didnt want one but i dont think they will just walk over any existing trucks -rubbin is racing apparently and thats where i might have a little advantage
no way is the durango gonna take the abuse my hyper has for the last 12 months its the hardest rc vehicle i ever owned and i got a vorza to but the trucks had some heavyer hits
also got a kyosho sc on the way to try 2wd
whatever you got in scs its always smiles and minimul breakages to

ps gutted i missed chadderton this sun day with my truck.
8 am sunday minus 8.5, and my van would not start :thumbdown:.
going getting a vw caddy this week (a proper van) they do a 120 bhp 4motion model as well:)

You talking about the Heavy Metal?

http://i53.tinypic.com/2iu4zt5.jpg

Thats just a buggy with a short course shell on. Its even got buggy wheels!

Mine had much wider wishbones, and in my case truck tyres - but its still buggy wheelbase, so it has 'interesting' handling. Never could source a proper shell for it.

Looked like this with a buggy shell. http://www.simondavanzo.pwp.blueyond...1261926886.JPG
Little Chris has my XX4 now, and all the bits.

What you guys must remember is that rc racing is huge in the states, i mean huge. Over here its a dieing sport, with many local clubs dissappearing every year, take the north east (i mean the proper north east) think theres 3 clubs, which get 4 people every time its on. Any company that makes more types of cars is going to sell more, escpecially in the states.

After seeing Adams at the weekend at Ardent. I can vouch for the fact that it isn't a 'total' copy of the DEX410/R. The chassis and a lot of the internals and transmission parts are totally new and different from the buggy.

AND, until everyone ran addative, most of the trucks seemed very equal whether or not they were 2/4wd. Providing they were driven properly, then the 2wd's can hold their own for a while. And do remember that Short Course is a contact sport, so the 2wd's can always force the 4wd's off the track!!!:woot:

BUT, if (and its a big if) this class takes off over here, then there needs to be a class split. So there needs to be a 2wd and a 4wd class to avoid there being a big advantage. Thats how its all done in the real 1/1 scale world.

Personally I would love the class to take off. And with the amount of SC's that are being sold in the shops, then I can't see why it can't be a series on its own.
We had th option to run SC at the ME regionals this year but only a few turned up so they didn't run them.
But I think when its writen in the entry form "if there are enough SC's then we will run a heat for them" then I think a lot of people don't see it as serious and don't bother turning up with them.
BUT, if the entry forms were more assertive and actually had class rules and a fixed position in the meeting, then I think more would turn up with them.
Take it as a serious class and not just a 'fun class' along side the regionals 2wd and 4wd classes.

If all the regionals added it to their entry forms then I'm sure there would be enough to run them.
I know for sure that there are enough racers out there that do regionals who own SC's, so why not get them out of the house and race them?
I think they deserve a series, whether its with the 2wd's at regionals or if its their own series. The only problem with a seperate series is finding space in an already busy calendar.

I think SC's suit a limited motor personally. Why go for scale looks if they're moving too fast to see them? A stock-speed motor and tracks built to suit would be great.

In the states, SC's are hugely popular! We have Spec Slash, Spec 2wd SC, Mod 2wd SC, and Mod 4wd SC.
Some tracks have more SC's racing than all others. Sometimes, I have to race my DEX410 against them, when there's not enough 4wd buggies. They don't like it much! They'll hate it when I get a DESC410! :p

SC classes
 

Hello all,

Here in the Netherlands electric off-road wasn't (isn't?) very popular.
There were only 2 proper purpose built tracks.
With the arrival of the Short Course class we got quite a lot
of new applications for membership at my club.
Pretty soon we had a special heat for the Short course trucks.
Racing was pretty bad at first, a lot of bad driving going on there.....
Then came the 4 wd Short Course cars, they really took of at my club and
they pretty soon outnumbered the 2 wd Short course.
Now we have seperate heats for them and it really works.
The guys made a set of rules and they stick to it, 10,5 turns 2 cell lipo or the stock electronics that come with the Slash 4x4.
The short course class was good for the hobby here in Holland.
I wouldn't buy one because the cars don't appeal to me but if I would buy
one it would most definately be the DESC410 !
That looks like a proper race car to me......

Greetings

Hans

If anyone is interested in getting the Losi Heavy Metal body and using it on there 2wd/4wd buggy, Team Bluegroove sell a reproduction of it. I don't think they sell the body mounts for it though. The Losi one years ago came with extra body mounts since it won't mount to the buggy body mounts.

http://i56.tinypic.com/n3m98x.jpg

I was just thinking that, the whole point of short course was to have a class for really bad cars that young kids thought were really cool!. Crossing the bashers into racers. Now who's going to continue racing if they bring their slash 4x4 to the track first time and come up against a Durango with a truck shell on it :p and then see how much cash they are going to need to beat a kid with overly rich parents. The 2wd SC class already went the wrong way once all the racing brands jumped on that one. Must be time to get back to 2wd Stadium trucks I think :)

2wd SC isn't that bad. Sure, the Slash 2wd handles like a pregnant hippo on ice skates, but thats just Traxxas for you. The Blitz manages to be a great basher and still take on the SC10's on the track.


With the Losi SODA/Heavy metal - I simply made my own body mounts to fit a 1/10th Stadium shell. Making your own mounts isn't hard - I used some Cyclone TC body posts and a bit of spare fibreglass. Back in the late 80's early 90's thats how we fitted rally bodies to our Procats and Optima Mids.

Anyway.....

BK testing the TD SC, does that mean he's no longer with XF as they have a SC don't they? :eh?::eh?:

G

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

am sure some one can answer!!!

Still with X-Factory :thumbsup:

You can see in the pics he is even wearing his XF hat still

In the states 2wd SC and 4wd SC are two seperate classes...

Wow Daren, 25 minutes, you're slacking :p:p:p:p

Merry Christmas :blush:

G

LOL, lucky I spotted it while having a quick cup of tea and an "oople" break.....

Otherwise it could have run into hours..... :D

Oooo, cup of tea, good call there fella. Wonder if I can find a mince pie too?

Surely only a matter of time before BK joins Durango for the whole package:eh?:
I notice the hat was tilting backwards in the picture slightly ........... maybe on the verge of falling off :D

XFactory have a 2WD which he has been running.