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What brushless system to get
What brushless to get
Was looking at the NOSRAM MATRIX EVOLUTION 2007 |
I defently recomend the nosram matrix evolution 2007 edition ive been running one in my xx4 since april and has never let me down top notch speedo. I would also recomend the orion vortex motors a big improvement over the normals nosram motors as they have sinitered rotos which are much more powerfull and feels like a brushed motor. What car will you be running it in?????????
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I run the the LRP comp (same as the nosram but blue) and it is very good. And Ash have you had a Nosram or LRP motor, if not how can you go round saying that the Orion one is better.
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So yea like i said above i would recomend possibly a 5.5 or 6.5 motor dependingon your drving capabilitys. The only other thing you may want to consider is getting the nosram matrix tc version which has improved something which makes it run cooler im not 100% what the diffrence is but its meant to make the esc run cooler with faster motors.
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And have you run an orion motor tosay its not better????? A |
Well I am running a sensorless esc (Mamba Max from Castle Creations in the US and a Peak (which is identical to Orion) brushless motor and is really good. You cant tell the difference from a brush, well with exception of a better run time. Tekin are now doing an esc for both sensor and sensorless so worth checking them out.
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i'd recommend the Nosram speedo too, never had anything go wrong with mine, nd the Nosram motors are good too...quite a few people seem to hav had reliability problems with the motors, but mine has been fine since i got it.
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ash, he never sed they werent better, he just asked how you wud know they were better, as you have never run them.
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There is nothing wrong with the LRP,Nosram motors and they are doing some good combos at the mo. You can get a standard matrix with a 6.5, then there is the Matrix Evo with a 5.5 and a Matrix TC with a 4.5. You can also get these combos with the LRP's
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Nosram/LRP 2007 Touring car version with a 5.5 or 6.5 depending on ability.
Note, the touring car version comes with cooling equipment which is ideal for a 4wd, especially the bj4 as it is a direct fit with no modifications. |
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They are good systems, although the LRP/Nosram speedo have alot more tuneability and are known to produce more power.
The 'perfect' combo would be an LRP 2007 TC esc and a novak sensored motor, however this puts the cost up compared to a package deal. The Novak system has very little options, there is no punch control and breaks have been abit touchy. Although it is a very good system non the less. The novak is just as good as other brands, but my personal choice would be the LRP/Nosram systems, the downside is they are sometimes hard to get ahold of at shops in the UK. |
Or you can try the all new Tekin Range!!!
Small and neat and we are doing the R1 Pro system for a bargain first order price.... Check out www.theraceplace.co.uk for more details.. |
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Novak speedo's can have the punch adjusted, it's just different to the LRP speedo with the Novak to increase the punch you lower the drive frequency and to make it smoother you increase it. |
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Thanks for the advice i have about £170 to spend so may be a combo is worth looking at |
Anybody knows how works novak gtb spektrum with orion/GM/Peak?
What's happeinig with Tekin? Who is using it? Will Tekin make new ESC with sensor? Is R1 pro sensorless? Where is the new brushless esc from Quark? any news? Is brushless the future? In recent worlds many drivers used brushed motors. Why? |
With regard the Tekin R1 Pro.....
They have Stuart Wood and Kevin Lee (National Winner Rnd 6) running there new speedo's for next season.. Yes they are sensorless.. They are very small so keep room to a minimum. The Raceplace team drivers will all be using the Tekin systems for 2008!!! If you pm me we are doing special deal for first orders taken for the R1 Pro system, you will have change from your £170!! If you want anymore details pm me i will be happy to help. Tekin have a batch of the R1 Pro's in the factory, they are checking all of them before they are sent out.. |
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Thank you very much I will have think and pm you if needed |
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if you need any help in setting the Tekin R1 up, drop us a PM too, I should have mine in the next 7/10 days. There are no heatsinks or fans needed, no Hal wire, it has a thermal identification to, plus an optional Hotwire that will allow you to adjust from a pc and up/download setups to.
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Lee's Novak systems seem to have been pretty good this year, that's what i'm going to run over the winter. Hoping it won't take me too long to get used to it!
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We are doing the 5.5 and 6.5 Redline motors..
We can also get the Brushed FX range and the hotter Redline Brushless motors. After the tests with these sensorless speed controls and motors they were out performing there large rivals!!!! There are a number of Tekin Factory drivers that come on this forum who can help if you need to ask any questions.. DCM Woody KevLee Myself BigRed Modelimages and im sure others will let you know!!! |
I would like comparable experinces with diferent ESC vs Tekin R1 pro.
Which motor is mounted with Tekin, results? Compatibility with all sensored motors for example Novak or Orion. How it works with these motors? Kevin Lee did't seem to run with Tekin last national, is that correct? Tekin ESC R1 seems to be very good but why it doesn't needs heatsink or fan when for others is essential. When we wll see on Tekin's web hotwire info? I can't wait :-P |
The Tekin kit isn't widely used yet, they've been working on it for quite a while!
I havn't used the Novak ESC's but they seem OK, they run a bit hotter than the LRP/Nosram ESC's. I race with Dan Greenwood and Chris Long quite a bit and haven't seen them have any problems with their Novak's. I've got an LRP 2007 in my 2wd and Nosram TC Spec in my 4wd, both have been very good. One thing I can say is not to get an LRP/Nosram motor, they are OK when they are working but the reliability just isn't there at the moment and Horizon are being very awkward about replacing the two I have that have gone wrong. The Novak motors seem to be pretty much bullit proof, the Orion/Peak motor looks good but the big holes in the can put me off trying one for the moment. |
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Brushless=
Look Wat company had the only brushless systems in the 2wd Worlds A final........... |
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NO mark just means stick to brushed like me:D
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I am not sure, but I think they offer a range of combo's (but don't quote me on that) with the Tekin unit. It is touch as they have had it running a truggy with a 11.1v Lipo conversion to.
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Kevin Lee was sponsored by Horizon Hobby last season so no he wouldn't have used the Tekin..
But he has now moved to the Tekin Factroy team because he is liking the new products from them. The R1 has yet to be released to the public which is why they are not around!! It has been under development for a while because they wanted to make sure they released a product that didn't have any problems. They are sensorless which doesn't transmit as much heat to the main speedo as other brands do. It also has new temp control built in. These are new generation technology and will be near the top for sure this year. |
All the LRP guys choose brushed...novak loved the brushless and still qualified 2nd, 6th and 8th respectivly.......
to me...thats enough evidence for the better speedo. |
also the first brushless system to win a UK national Title.........???????
any ideas which one? |
I can't fault the Nosram matrix 2007 I've been using, its great. I've seen other people have problems with the lrp/nsram motors etc, I've even had to lend my 6.5 out after woodys 6.5 nosram died. Personally I've not had any problems with the motors, only the old LRP which had the shaft spit out of the back of the motor.
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I think he means that Sensorless run cooler Rich
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hi i have been runing the novak brushless in both my 2wd and 4wd drive and have never had a problem.i have seen one other person with an lrp at the club have problems(although replaced promptly i must add) personly i think this is the most important thing as im just an average driver and to be honest cant really tell the difference in feel between systems.just my 2 cent:)
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Sorry, did mean the Tekin (sensorless) run much cooler than the sensored...
Though saying that i never used a fan on the Novak or LRP at all last year!! Never thermalled once. Most of it is the driver and his thumbs in off road... Don't race flat cars so couldn't tell you for them but im guessing hotter winds fan is essential. |
Of the big three I don't believe anyone can argue that both Novak speedos and motors are more reliable, certainly the motors by an absolute mile. Good customer service is all well and good, but the rate at which you see blue and red motors braking is nuts.
I can tell you I wouldn't buy any new brushless system until I'd seen whether it had proved reliable or not. I would hope the Tekin is reliable after how long it's taken to get to Market! |
this is very much a mine is the best kind of thread.
but really, the 'mine is the best' theory is obviously true else that person would not run it... :rolleyes: anyway.... mine is the best :p |
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