Convince me to go xfactory x6 sq...
 

Hi all,

I have run a b4 for a long time now, and like driving it, know what to change on it to tune it in, and find it strong, reliable etc etc (covers everything a good club driver would want really!)

However, with the release of the b4.1, i am contemplating either upgrading the parts required to get it to b4.1 std, or even going down the route of the x6 sq.
It seems they really havent changed much on the b4.1, just improved a few of the parts, and really improved the mouldings. They also seem to be merging parts from the sc10, not really a bad thing.

All i want really is for you guys to convince me to go down the route of the x6, and to why I should spend a lot more over my b4.1 parts. Also note that i have been driving rear motored cars for the last 15 years, so its kinda built in now!!!

Let the convincing commence!

Well all i want to say about the X6 is not to buy it, below is a few reason.

1. The car sucks cause you dun break anything and got nothing else to do at the pits.
2. The car can't be setup, cause the stock setup is so rubbish that i've always finish in Top 3 position in A Main at my local race.
3. The parts and advice support is so bad that u almost have a wait a few minutes for a reply.
4. The car is boring cause u can't spend money to make it better.

Let me think of other reason not to get a X6.

Anyway i've got a X6 Squared for almost a year and just got an X5 Squared.

Do The Math

I see sarcasm still exists! :thumbsup:

Johnson Lee's a good mate of mine...he loves his X cars very much and his race results have prove it. You won't go wrong with the X6 Squared... :thumbsup:

I really need details as to why people think its better, not just say its as good as my b4. I nearly always make top 3 in the a at my club with my b4... Why should i go to the x6, and will I notice the difference?

Thanks for the comments so far though! :)

Basically it makes "average joe" a better driver...

Its easier to push the car and a lot more consistent when you do, best bet is to try one really and see if you like it... Ive always been a Losi man so while the X6 is a good car, it wasn't my cup of tea...

People will tell you to get whichever car they own, best thing is to ask around and try everything you can...

CR2 gets my vote and ive tried and X6, Cougar, B4 etc etc...

Personal preference :thumbsup:

Your advice is really a good one. Yes i think it's best to try out the X6 first and see if you like it. Different cars suit different drivers. The X6 and B4 performs/handles really well at my local track but not the CR2. Driving style and track condition really plays an important part too... :)

Wish I could have a go on an x6, but no-one has one at my local club. They run cougars, or b4's! I guess I am asking the impossible really without trying one!

Whats the deal with Losi shocks, are they really necessary? If it helps, i will normally be running inside on carpet with biggish jumps and kickers.

Cheers
Mark

Many used Losi or Kyosho shocks cos they are familiar with it i guess and both these shocks stay in good shape longer after maintenance hence requiring less rebuilding compared to AE shocks. The AE shocks are good but gets gritty and rough pretty quickly especially raced on dirt/clay tracks. The new AE V2 shocks are very good though. I feel it's as good as the Losi or Kyosho shocks. Like what Tom said, the X6 is a very planted car hence it's very easy to drive and push it. It's feels very safe when driving it fast, but ultimately it all boils down to personal taste, as for me i prefer rear motor 2wd buggies cos it's more responsive and twitchy, but mid motor 2wd buggies are very good in the air though. Overall, i still find the X6 Squared a very good 2wd buggy.

They are not.

They are good though ,but so are the AE V2's the kit comes with, and Kyosho's RB5 shocks.

Cool....i am slowly coming around....what else makes it better than the b4? I kind of like the idea that the motor and sensor assembly is being kept clean and dirt free inside the car....What else comes to mind.

I don't think ull notice much difference on high grip carpet. Saying that since ive gone mid motor i will never go back to rear motor. I much prefere the handling and it suits my heavy thumb driving style, you can nail the throttle without it trying to spin out, but you need the grip, like on carpet. Wet weather or really worn grass and i think a rear motor still wins out.

Cheers Ian, think I will save my cash, and stick with my b4. I am not really that aggressive, more a smoother style. I have heard its not as good when its slippy or wet.

Do the maths,Ashley has done very well with is X6 squared.:thumbsup:

Mark, we work very hard to accomplish two things at once: to make the very fastest car out there easy for the average club racer to drive. Check the Fan Mail on our website and you'll see what I mean. Most drivers report the X - 6 is easier to drive and easier to drive fast -- two different things.

The physics of it is that any mid-motor car is better over bumps and in the air than a rear-motor. That's the "pendulum effect," and it works in corners too. With a rear motor car you are waiting and watching for the back end to come around. One instant you've got plenty of traction and the next instant the front and back ends swap places. Getting the weight in front of the rear wheels means the car will be faster before it loses traction and it will loose traction in a slower, more controllable way.

In the U.S. we have dirt oval racing, and some tracks have banned the X - 6 -- it's just too fast because it's so controllable sliding sideways through sweping turns. You won't drive that way on carpet or astro, but the physics remains the same.

Rear motor cars were developed a long time ago in southern California where they were racing on sand and needed something -- anything! -- to make the car go forward. They threw away all the principles of physics to make that happen. You don't need that on astro.

Hope this helps.

Good sell Chazz! Good to see someone from the company is convincing me using maths and science :). Keep them coming people.

The other reason I am interested, is that I am running a 2wd 1/16th scale car called Phat Bodies Chunk, which has some x6 components in it such as the rear gearbox, and a b4 front end with smaller shock tower. I like driving it, and was thinking that having a 10th scale which was the same would help.

I have only ran it a few times but am slowly getting it tuned in, and liking the handling.

If you want to know more about Chunk, see here:

http://www.uk-microrc.co.uk/forum/in...?showforum=465

As far as im concerned going mid motor has made me quicker and more consistent. Considering i only did 4 nationals and a couple of clubs meetings this year i was amazed to get F1, i wasn't anywhere with a rear motor the years before that.

I used to run a b4 at my local club and i did ok with it. Then i bought an X6 off a fellow club member and i reckon it's made me a lap quicker. I keep thinking about buying a Cougar but i just can't seem to part with the X6 i love it. I say go for it you won't regret it. It certainley won't be any worse :thumbsup:.

Mark, before you splash your cash come over and have a chat with me at the next Hereford meeting (if I'd have known on friday I'd have let you have a look in the boot ;) )

I found the X6 very consistent to drive, which meant I could concentrate on driving better lines which resulted in me being faster over the full 5 minutes.

i drive a b4 during 3 months... then i convert to squared, that i run in 10 months... basicly, i´ve notice;

more stable;
more consistent;
jump better;
easy to setup;
smooth;


this things, make me a lite more fast driver :)

Sorry bro, i with my limitations in the England language i dun really know how to convince you to get an X6 Squared. I think the most i can do is that.

XFACTORY ROCKS

the x6 made racing more enjoyable for me :D ....
now i can just concentrate on getting better :thumbsup:....

To echo everyone else really...consistency consistency consistency!!

I was as quick with my B4 on a lap for a single lap...but just found it really tough do it lap after lap on the B4...ended up having to hold back a touch to be consistent.

Got the X6 and because the balance so much more even...the pendulum effect Chaz mentioned, I could post my B4 fastest laps, lap after lap, without having to hold back to reduce the risk of pushing too hard.

That said, if your good and consistent with the B4 already...try an X6 and see if you can push even more...maybe it'd work out for you? Certianly never regretted to move myself, and they do suit our UK indoor and outdoor tracks really well...even on the slippy sections!

Come along to Caldicot on any Friday night, been a while since we've seen you, there are always a few running around...and Si and Dan testing their Chunks as well...as you've seen in the lastest vids! :thumbsup:

woohoo! I'm getting one! no wait, I already have one.....

seriously, I agree with blue_pinky. consistency is one of the strongest traits of the X-6 squared. (but the bodyshell is ...ahem..less aesthetically pleasing than other buggies)

I agree totally...after driving a B4 for 3 months and switching to an X6sq, I can definitely say that I no longer have to worry much about jumps and bumps at the local track and focus on being consistent.

As for the rather...ahem...*interesting* shell, I have but one solution...Phatbodies shells! :D

Cheers guys. Someone has hooked me up with a possible test drive, so might be a little more interested, once I have given it a test run.

Cheers for all your responses.

Mark

My driving style is smooth too, the X6 suits me perfect, and it's just great on slippery tracks!
Right now i'm building a new car, based on the X6, but it's not because i'm not happy with it.
You will love the X6, believe me :wub

I would just point out that at Stotfold, the last UK national, it rained off and on through Saturday. Kev Lee and Ellis were far and away the fastest cars in the wet, qualifying and finishing first and second respectively with their X - 6 Squared's.

but where were they at the wet euro's?

Both in the A main.... ;-)

but they could probably get a grass hopper into the A final:thumbsup:

Weren't the Euros on a dirt track this year? Hupo's home track, perhaps? And still both Big E and Kev in the A. 120 other guys, good drivers all, were not in the A...

We are astounded at Alex X-6's results in Portugal on all types of surfaces from dirt to carpet. He has posted to this thread too. We find that what Alex says is true for so many drivers: Alex Converted his B4 and immediately went faster. He is the only X - 6 in his area, and simply cleaned up all year long.

I'm not here to knock Alex -- indeed I praised his results highly on the Portugal thread -- but it's not like he was a mid-A driver and then got much faster all in one day by himself. The car just might have a little bit to do with it...

Most drivers who Convert their B4s report 1/2 to 3/4 sec per lap faster, and almost everybody reports greater consistency. Blue Pinky above commented he could repeat his fastest laps over and over.

That's the mid-motor advantage. Faster on most tracks and far more consistent. It's a simple matter of physics.

My B4 was always fast. But a handful to hang onto for an entire run.. I also have a very fat trigger finger and love to yank on the trigger hard! That and in my lazy years of parenthood i just show up for a good time and would rather drive a car that is consistent that allows me to abuse the throttle. Rather then choking up on the transmitter clenching my butt cheeks running a b4 and hoping i dont crash :)

-it jumps great
-it loves abusive throttle imput
-its ugly as hell and that can help keep your competition from getting one and beating you with it! LOL

that´s it.. Chazz said everything...

the lite thins that we notice when change to x6, they togheter made a faster driver, and, the most of all, more regular...

in the Outdoor Masters in portugal, always on dirty tracks, ive made my best lap, and my best time in each qualification and final, over and over again, many time, in many races...

I though the top 6 cars at the euros were rear motor? I can't get my sums right.

You mean you haven't done your math? :D

Also to note, TKG just bought a brand new tamiya and within a month he converted his B4, his tamiya now resides as a back up in case he can't fix his X6, but more often then not its a loaner buggy:woot: Mid motors are simply uber consistant, I'm still not consistant, I can just imagin how bad I'd be with a rear motor buggy:p

Thing to remember about competitions like the euro's is that the top drivers on a day will always be the top drivers, no matter what car they drive, and the single biggest factor is the person driving!

That's not to say the car doesn't make any difference, but the comparable differences between each car with those drivers is miniscule, I would bet that the tracks and events throw up enough variables to cover up any benefits one chassis might have over another over the course of a few races...but every fraction still counts none the less, and at teh end f teh day it's what works for you and what you have the most fun driving!

It's for the rest of us mere mortals that the differences are more obvious!

GO the 6 !!!
 

hi ive been driving an X6 for over 13 months now and all i can say is get one :wub over here in Australia the tracks can go from super smooth grip to lose broken up very quickly and i tell u we run a club championship over 8 rounds and the last two championships ive not lost one with the X6 !!:thumbsup: thats 14 club rounds ! the times im getting with my car r faster than alot of the mod drivers times!!!:p
www.keilorrc.org.au
you can find my club results here i am also winning the Victorian drivers championship with two rounds left ....
thats how good these cars r

i would recommend these cars to anyone who wants to go faster!!!!
the handiling of the X6 is SOooo much faster than a rear motored car
and if more people get the idea out of their head of the car has less grip because of the motor being mid the better the mid motor can generate TOOoooo much grip (I found this out very quickly and now run a rear sway bar all the time).
so go and get one you will love:wub the car its like driving a 4wd the car has SOooo much forward grip too!

hope u join the Family

Mic Salis
:thumbsup: