BRCA Rules
 

At a recent race, Kidderminster national to be exact, I got what could be described as a "bollocking" for putting the numbers on the wing, and one on the roof i think.
I was told they aren't allowed on the wing ?!?

I confess I dislike putting huge number stickers over the windows of a buggy as it takes away from the scale look and if you read the rules:

22.1 Cars entered for Off Road competitions will be reasonable representations of full size cars generally accepted as being suitable for Rallycross, Rallying, Trail and Desert races.

Since when is a huge number over the front window "a reasonable representation" any way ?

There is no mention in the rules that the numbers need to be on the body shell at all, they can be on anything, including the wing or even the ariel tube.


Am i right or am i right ? :D we'll see at tiverton when I turn up for heat 1 sporting numbers on the ariel tube. :rolleyes: (and a copy of the rule book in my pocket ready for any "back chat" I receive from the officials)

I agree with you Jimmy. Back when I started and when Procats had those stick on side pieces for the wing - I always used to put the numbers on the wing sides... I have no idea why I stopped, maybe when the wings sides went smaller.

At the 2005 Euro's, I put the race numbers on the sides of my X5 bodyshell, over where the batteries are..... and I was told after round 1 that they should be over the windows! but on the X5 the surface there isn't so flat and the numbers are a bit scruffy when stuck on over windows. :thumbdow:

I still mount my BRCA race numbers where the Euro's guys tell me not to as I see no rule stating otherwise.....:elephant:

Jimmy... I'd like to see you dare!!

(while you're at it, wear a skirt and heels and see if they can complain...)

22.6 At BRCA Sanctioned events all cars must display 3 full sized BRCA issue numbers with one facing to the front and with one on each side in an upright position.

My interpretation of the rule is, as Jimmy described, numbers can be placed anywhere on the car, subject to being upright and one each side, & one to the front.

this is the same argument they have had over Transponders. Originaly they would tell you to put them on the opposite side of the wing to the motor, and you were never allowed to run them inside the shell, now, they prefer you as it is up to you to secure the transponder to the car, if the wing comes off with transponder, they have no obligation to manualy count it.

Other big NO-NO is cutting numbers down either, they hate that one, we used to cut them down to leave about 4mm of white round theblack, lol.

Whereas in 12th scale its a must! When I first started 12th I was all like 'no no don't hurt the numbers aarrgh'... Now I cut them as small as possible!

Do it Jimmy just let me come and watch when you go to race

No way! It'll probably be my car that he's testing the theory out on... again! :P

You've got to agree that it can be a right PITA to mount the numbers on the "std" positions on the shells. I much prefer the Corally/Proline numbers, smaller and square - hence much easier to mount!!

Look at the pictures on Chris's (Doughty) forum at the top, I don't think they are front facing, they are facing the sky! :o :D :o :D

Maybe a spot of modernisation in the number department is needed from the BRCA?

Or maybe some of the rules need to be less anal (allegedly) :D :D :D :D

G

EDIT: because I've been to too many pubs and my spelling is poop.......

... SHOES.

My poor feet'll be all couped up during the Summer. I had lovely flip flop triangle marks last year...

But yes yes, I suppose it's only sensible. Ahem.

ha ha, I went to Debenhams and was trying Flip-Flips and Sandals on last weekend, I found myself saying "I like them but the BRCA won't let me marshall in them" and I chose some that are open but I can move quickly in.

:geek:

I'm afraid any kind of open toes are not permitted... in case you break a toe nail and sue the BRCA. Yes, I mean it.

I had a snorer drive head on in to my toes once whilst wearing trainers and that bloody hurt, that rule is to protect you toes... nothing stopping you wearing flippy floppies outside the track perimeter is there ;)

Nope. Hence why I plan to do what I did when my feet were destroyed at Southport the other year - flip flops on rostrum/surroundings and have dad hold my trainers during a race. OR dump them at my marshal point before racing. Sorted.

NO ONE can hold my feet hostage... they need to be freeee.

The grammar in your sentence is incorrect:o :eek: . You should not have a capital unless it is at the start of a sentence and 'freeee' is spelt with only two e's. Tut tut :rolleyes:

You should be stripped of your 'Grammarator' status!

You are a brave lad Tom, to be questioning the GRAMMARATOR !! :p

She shuold do 'er jbo prpoorly :D :D

Aye and you should have a capital letter at the start of your sentence! :p

And you should spell your words correctly :p

Haha, you had me going for a second there! I actually had to check...

Madness.

lol :D

Here in the US, ROAR is equally idiotic in their rules enforcement re. numbers. No trimming of the white, and three numbers on the shell. (Best thing is to stick them on your shirt first so they come off easily.)

What's good is that technology and independant spirit are overcoming the organizors. First, as use of personal transponders grows, many clubs no longer supply transponders -- having yourself counted becomes your responsibility. Only the ever-dwindling number of long-in-the-tooth race announcers even know how to hand count, much less are willing to do it.

Second, ROAR is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Even their National Championship races are not covered as much in the magazines as are a number of private races, both on-road and off-. But that's another thread...

I think the numbers thing is all about power and control. As the organization becomes less important, they must demonstrate how important they are.

I dunno, in off-road, as they supply you with handout transponders and it is their responsiblity to make sure the transponders count, if they fail in a race, then it is up to them to count your laps, mucho difficulty when you got tiny and obscured numbers.

On the flip side, there are far better numbers (Corally off the top of my head) so I don't see the need to have these MASSIVE numbers on the car.

We do have active and good referees at nationals and regionals, who do a good job especially helping the leader work through back markers and the like..
but at the same time, "orange car going onto the straight, you've got the leader coming up to lap you" works just as well as reading a number.. if its even possible at the speeds these cars go.

My beef is that I like the look of the buggys, but they are spoilt with huge and ugly numbers, I wouldnt mind them if they looked cool.

and JEEZ, how the hell is a driver going to see out with a huge number on the window ? ?!? THAT is why i dont do well... ;)

That would be true unless you and Jonesy were in the same heat Jimmy.

The main reason the numbers haven't changed is money + the size currently used works well on just about every class raced from 1/4 to 1/12th.

Admittedly they are a bit big for 12th but the organisers in this class will let you cut numbers down within reason or use the corally type but the latter is at your own expense.

can you do cool vinyl numbers like the proline ones and would they be legal

but they can be read from the rostrum, and they do cover half the window,

driver still has a small 'envelope' of window to see through

in the paperwork sent out with the national entries there is a set of rules.
at botom of one of the pages it reads
a few points worthy of mention
1. you will be issued three (3) standard brca numbers that must not be substituted, trimmed, cut down or in any way mutilated. they should be fixed to the front and side windows of your body shell and not in any other place. the numbers are for the benefit of the referee's and officials. be warned - you will fail scrutineering if you dont fix the numbers as specified.

Thats interesting, I never saw that and indeed its not in the latest rule book..
Its interesting that you can have a open frame buggy in the rules, without any windows at all.. you'll have to stick them to air in that case. :D


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Get the Javelin finished john, lets try it at southport and see where the number go.

cant see how they can uphold that statement without it being in the rule book

Well, the BRCA state at the race directors discretion, and as the BRCA do the timing at Nationals (if I remember rightly) then they are within their right to set where the numbers go.

I presonaly see it as a slightly daft rule from a racing perspective, but then appreciate the fact that, if god forbid I get to do Nationals again and ever get in the position of lapping and not being lapped, the fact that the Ref could call the car number and get me through would be ace.

Bit swings and roundabouts type thing.

Does anyone fancy a list of the BRCA rules (that are in the rule book) that were broken at the Batley regional this weekend? :confused:

G

probably most of the 'race' orientated ones roflol

What rules were broken like?

Not sure, but I bet it wasn't the (Emzy) flip-flop rule;)

I'll bet most of the rules in the book were broken at some point, what with some cars racing with no numbers on at all for the first heat and NO SCRUTINEERING for any of the heats!!...:)

scruitineerings isnt a rule for brca regionals, north west has not had any scruitineering for as far backj as i can remember.:)