card cloning
 

I don't want to further hijack the cougar thread, so I thought I'd start a thread on the subject..

Last week my debit card was cloned for 30 pound for an O2 pre pay top up.

This has never happened to me before, and I started using the schumacher site to buy bits around 8 weeks ago.

So have othjers had this problem then?

Seems to be quite popular :thumbdown:- but none of these people have bought from Schumacher.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=406022

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...epay-scam.html

http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/313662/2096628.aspx

http://forum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?...75da8b2aab15fc

My card was cloned last week too.. I haven't bought anything from Schumacher in months though.. I was blaming the petrol station on the way to work... They tried to top up a phone card with mine too.:mad: I really wouldn't expect it to be anything to do with Schumacher. The people in this the people in this industry seem to be the most honest I have ever come across

Its nearly always the petrol stations :( I went through 3 bloomin cards!

Well I have my new card now and will be very cautious.

My bank have a list of 3 companies from January and one from the one just gone as they say it was a card not present transaction

I think it's time for PayPal to lower their fees and people using it more. I shop more at MK for this reason now.

DMS it's over the phone and Schumacher it'll be over the phone now too (not saying anything wrong with them).

Maybe their is a new virus / key logger doing the rounds?

I'll have a look on some the usual security websites.

If more people stopped using gift, they'd be able to lower their fee's:thumbsup:

I they're looking at charging for this too now :(

Good

it hasn't happened to me, but simon larkin (sly on here) had is cloned card used in an O2 shop in Nelson, also after using it to buy from the Schumacher website.

Why?

Just means people with charge more or use bank transfers

Seems to be a lot of O2 fraud on other forums, can he gurantee that it was Schumacher?

Having never ordered off Schumacher I can't 100% comment, but when you go through the process isn't there an SSL cert on the site?

If so, its either a key logger on your machine, or someone has got the details from the Schumacher DB (Very unlikely). I would go with petrol station over anything else

I work in retail, and card cloning is obviously an issue here. There is no way it can be pinpointed to a certain company, as the details are often obtained through the transaction process used at the bank/website.

Seems harsh to name any company (apart from petrol stations of course - robbing bastards!) linking them to card cloning on a public forum.

Si

I think people are missunderstanding whats being said on here, no one is saying that schumacher is a dishonest company, for those of you so quick and eager to jump to there defence(prob after some kind of 'd' team driver backing or something) What is being said is that schumacher seems to be a common link in more than just a handfull of these claims and that maybe they need to review their internet security or their card details holding system, if they never know then they wont do anything so i have contacted them and my bank and hopefully now we can make this secure as im sure we would all agree its almost like a life line when you need parts fast, hope this can be sorted and faith in schumacher can be restored for all. ta:thumbsup: That was not in any way aimed at you si your post appeared whilst i was mid rant ha ha .

We appritiate the feedback guys and rest assured we view our security very seriously. If there is a problem we will fully investigate our security measures.

Having an SSL cert means nothing, unless it's a trusted cert. Plus you can have a man in the middle attack. Aka when have a SSL proxy server that blows SSL apart to inspect it, put something like wireshark in there and you can see the data. We actively block self certs at work

I blocked a site the other week as when we looked at the traffic all the credential information was going out in clear text! Eeek

The other thing that I have arguments with people over - there is no such thing as secure email..

So I guess this cloning isnt limited to you guys on the other side of the atlantic. My acct was hacked after a purchase to schumacher last week for $784.21 USD.

I hope this is sorted soon, I've had three cards cloned after using Schumachers site, but until it happened to the last card I didn't really know where it was happening from.

This isn't good. Particularly with cougar orders due soon etc. I'll be ordering my Schumacher kit I feel from my other sources.

It has to be an employee of Shumacher, mobile tops ups come on...

If it was a full on attack they would be wiping you accounts out.

You guys need to talk to the police ASAP.

Penny drops, why are you supporting these guys, come on!

Because the actions of the one employee shouldn't affect the many.

Have people spoken to Schumacher management to help them resolve the issue? If people believe that they have been cloned by Schumacher, let them and the bank know so they can pinpoint the potential problem.

Mikey, with respect "the potential problem" is theft my friend plain and simple.

Take off those rose tinted glasses :blush:

Hence why I'd buy Schumacher bits from MK at the moment.

All I am saying is for people to contact Schumacher. Do we not want them to resolve the problem.

Nothing to do with rose tinted classes... I know it's theft, you don't need to tell me that. Mine got done, but the bank refunded me instantly.

Think I'll phone them on Monday a go from there.

Sorry Mikey, this is a criminal matter and should be reported to the police.

And you still want to support these guys? get a grip! No product and they empty your account!

I am on your side mate...

the bank fraud teams liase with the police. Make the call then?

My bank first direct certainly do and they work with the other banks.

So everyone at Schumacher including the team drivers is a thief? That's a bit harsh..

I agree nobody likes being had, but I believe in working with them to fix it. I think company wise they are far better than many companies out there. SCS should have gone busted and stayed there.

The issue could be with their hosting company or whoever provides the checkout facility online etc

I will still be buying an SV. Christ, spent £200 on Cougar and Cat stuff over the last week.

OK..

You're the one that needs to get a grip. You seem to be suggesting the whole company is conspiring to rip your card. What've you been smoking? :lol:

Ram, that is a very serious accusation you've come up with there.

As a team driver, my card number has been held on file at Schumacher for a good number of years - and i'm happy for it to continue to be.

Who is this guy? This site is for helping people not spewing shit all the time, can Jimmy kick him off the site already!!!!

I have made no accusations here, other drivers have, did I start this tread?

Money has been taken from fellow drivers accounts without permission, is this not theft?

As a team driver would you say anything else?

What shit, facts my friend read the thread...

P.S how old are you 13 -14?

Sorry Mikey, this is a criminal matter and should be reported to the police.
I have made no accusations here, other drivers have, did I start this tread?

Money has been taken from fellow drivers accounts without permission, is this not theft?

As a team driver would you say anything else?

And you still want to support these guys? get a grip! No product and they empty your account!

I am on your side mate...

o but you have made accusations mate plain and simple you have accused them in the statement above
No product and THEY empty you account.well if thats not a wild accusation i don't know what is, you have spoken without knowing the facts my friend, i doubt anyone at schuy has anything to do with this,and if you have doubts about your own account you should ring them direct instead of coming on a open forum trying to flame them,
buy the way im not a team driver but my lad is

You are right "Pit Bitch" I retract all previous statements in this thread!

I believe Shumacher are an honest company and wish them well with there new release.

Ramdrive your out of order. There's no reason to get personal :mad:

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I haven't made any accusations, just asked people to speak to the retailer in question.

Where have these rude comments come from, I thought it was a place to give help and advice.

For those genuinely not interested in the schumacher brand, buy something else?

From my personal experience Schumacher has been one of the most helpful teams.

Lock the thread?

Not personal at all, I feel sorry for the poor guy.

I agree Mikey, this is getting silly now. I will back off.

I hope you get sorted on your parts and car, we should be supporting the Brits and not knocking them, I have and am sorry and hope they do well.

Good luck with it mate.

sorry no need to its my choice,poor guy hmm doubt that:thumbdown: