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jimmy 01-07-2007 05:04 PM

new Academy 2WD
 
A nice champ from Korea emailed me today with some photos of a possible new 2WD from Academy - the car looks pretty right in the cad drawings, I guess it depends how they put it into production now.


http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uplo...ewbuggy-1b.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uplo...newbuggy-2.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uplo...newbuggy-5.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uplo...newbuggy-4.jpg

xx4-nutter 01-07-2007 06:04 PM

that dont look too bad, it has to be better than that griffen pro thing they did .... :D

Garry D.

ryan 01-07-2007 06:08 PM

That looks pretty good, Looks like a B4 rear end with a Losi Cr front.

Chris Doughty 01-07-2007 06:33 PM

I like the scuptured chassis underside

Northy 01-07-2007 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan (Post 47474)
That looks pretty good, Looks like a B4 rear end with a Losi Cr front.

The worst parts of both cars!! :o :o :o :o

G

ryan 01-07-2007 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northy (Post 47479)
The worst parts of both cars!! :o :o :o :o

G

thats is true lol

dave g 02-07-2007 05:39 PM

the guy who designed the sb sport is the guy who designs the mugen cars(if you ever had a academy trade catologue you would be amazed :) ),but obviously the griffin was way before his time as that came out in 97 originally.

wonder if its the same guy who has done this.

dave

Borat 02-07-2007 06:00 PM

Wa wa wee wa! I like!

NeilD 02-07-2007 06:25 PM

What car do you run Borat?

Borat 02-07-2007 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilD (Post 47672)
What car do you run Borat?

I race a car that have a chassis of a wood and a shoe box for a shell. I use the gypsy tears in the shocks made of coal. It, how you say? Handle like a piece of potato!

BenG 02-07-2007 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borat (Post 47679)
I race a car that have a chassis of a wood and a shoe box for a shell. I use the gypsy tears in the shocks made of coal. It, how you say? Handle like a piece of potato!

wtf?

You should try my Custom B4 mate, it handles like how-you-say, big-market-worth-of-potatoes :rolleyes::o:D;)

antnee 03-07-2007 10:02 AM

that korean guy has serious skill on cad!, i couldnt even do a washer! any ideas on price?

jimmy 03-07-2007 10:04 AM

Afraid it's still on the CAD at the moment so it'll be a while before we even know if it will be made or not.. but the cad looks good so I hope so.

here is a new conversion from ART - Academy Racing Technologies, for the SBv2.

http://teamartracing.com/images/news/teamart01.jpg

Lee Martin 03-07-2007 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenG (Post 47764)
wtf?

You should try my Custom B4 mate, it handles like how-you-say, big-market-worth-of-potatoes :rolleyes::o:D;)


it handles like a potato???

or a limo?:D

dave g 03-07-2007 10:26 AM

a limo full of potatoes :)

ryan 03-07-2007 04:44 PM

A stretched potato? lol

Davey G 26-07-2007 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave g (Post 47657)
the guy who designed the sb sport is the guy who designs the mugen cars(if you ever had a academy trade catologue you would be amazed :) ),but obviously the griffin was way before his time as that came out in 97 originally.

wonder if its the same guy who has done this.

dave

Definitly not the same guy as the griffin. This car was mainly designed in the four walls of MRC, then we sent the prototype to ACADEMY they made a few changes and will be produced shortly.

DCM 26-07-2007 03:29 PM

any idea on Pricing Mr Graboski?

Davey G 27-07-2007 02:14 PM

Here in the US, street price will be a minimum of $25.00- less then a team associated factory team B4.

josh_smaxx 27-07-2007 03:09 PM

Its just a copy of the B4 at the back :eh?: surely thay need permission from AE to produce something that similar :confused:

Chrislong 27-07-2007 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh_smaxx (Post 52583)
Its just a copy of the B4 at the back :eh?: surely thay need permission from AE to produce something that similar :confused:

I wouldn't fret, the biggest difference is the amount of confidence we have in AE products working. With past qualities, Academy have a lot of prooving to do with anything new, i.e. the first SB & Griffin, I know these are now old cars but unfortunately bad reputations stick very easily.

Not intending the above to sound harsh, just my 2p worth.

annie_himself 28-07-2007 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh_smaxx (Post 52583)
Its just a copy of the B4 at the back :eh?: surely thay need permission from AE to produce something that similar :confused:

What's it supposed to look like? :eh?::wtf:

josh_smaxx 28-07-2007 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annie_himself (Post 52674)
What's it supposed to look like? :eh?::wtf:

Not up to me im not part of the academy design team but i know if i was i wouldnt copy an existing car even if it was the best 2wd car our.

Anyway, not getting into an argument, was just my opinion.

annie_himself 28-07-2007 03:49 PM

Either way it goes, some one (not saying you) will come along and say its a "xxx" copy. The worst of both cars. I'm still gonna buy one though.

Davey G 24-08-2007 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh_smaxx (Post 52583)
Its just a copy of the B4 at the back :eh?: surely thay need permission from AE to produce something that similar :confused:

WHAT???? It uses the tranny from the ACADEMY Griffin buggy, with a few minor changes. The tranny is keyed into the bottom plate of the chassis, the rear hinge pin blocks are aluminum with plastic balls snapped into them. CVA rear axles not CVD's. Long and short rear arms, can use almost any popular racing rear rim on the market. So I guess your right... its a copy. :eh?:

lazerboy 24-08-2007 04:34 PM

um.... cva and cvd are the same thing.

Chris Doughty 24-08-2007 04:38 PM

seriously LazerBoy, you do know a lot about things don't you? :o

ashleyb4 24-08-2007 04:38 PM

No there not.

A

lazerboy 24-08-2007 05:46 PM

CVA: constant velocity axle
CVD: constant velocity drive

(same thing, but cvd's are from mip. They may not be EXACTLY the same, but they work the same way)

ashleyb4 24-08-2007 06:21 PM

whats the diffrence then???

A

Davey G 24-08-2007 06:21 PM

CVD's tend to straighten out under acceleration forcing the suspension down which in turn give more exiting traction.

CVA's act more like a dogbone allowing the suspension to continue to compress under acceleration. Gives more overall steering.

Davey G 24-08-2007 06:25 PM

1 Attachment(s)
New Drawings

ashleyb4 24-08-2007 06:27 PM

I knew that lol i was just wondering if laxerboy did.

A:D

DCM 24-08-2007 06:30 PM

Dave, you don't fill me with hope saying the transmission is based on the one in the Griffin..... saying that, just getting tolerances tighter and the layshaft not to wobble would be a good thing.... and make sure they use a decent material for the slipper, or better still, just copy a B4 slipper.

lazerboy 24-08-2007 06:32 PM

not really, they are just from different companies. losi and ae can't use the term cvd because mip ownes it(i checked) so if a kit has that type of axle, they just call it a cva. You can tell because they all look the same.

Mip cvd:http://www2.gpmd.com/image/m/mipc1525.jpg

Cva:http://www2.gpmd.com/image/o/ofnc9026.jpg

And some new kits are starting to downgrade. they actually use the not-as-smooth universal joint.

uvj:http://www2.gpmd.com/image/o/ofnc1510.jpg

Chris Doughty 24-08-2007 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazerboy (Post 57973)
CVA: constant velocity axle
CVD: constant velocity drive

(same thing, but cvd's are from mip. They may not be EXACTLY the same, but they work the same way)

one of them the cup is on the axle, the other the cup is on the bone.

the fact that they are different in that sense will mean that they will drive different.

I am sorry lazerboy but you don't even own an electric car, you are giving advise on brushless gearings on a chassis you don't even know the internal ratio (or even the car) and now you are giving critique on some CAD drawings. :rolleyes:

Davey G 24-08-2007 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCM (Post 57982)
Dave, you don't fill me with hope saying the transmission is based on the one in the Griffin..... saying that, just getting tolerances tighter and the layshaft not to wobble would be a good thing.... and make sure they use a decent material for the slipper, or better still, just copy a B4 slipper.

Sorry, the casing is the same, thats about it. :) Everything else has been fixed, dual padded slipper with keyed spur gear, etc. You think I should copy the slipper, but we already copied the entire rear end of the B4, dont want to get in trouble with AE, right josh_smaxx??? :P

Davey G 24-08-2007 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazerboy (Post 57984)
not really, they are just from different companies. losi and ae can't use the term cvd because mip ownes it(i checked) so if a kit has that type of axle, they just call it a cva. You can tell because they all look the same.

Mip cvd:http://www2.gpmd.com/image/m/mipc1525.jpg

Cva:http://www2.gpmd.com/image/o/ofnc9026.jpg

And some new kits are starting to downgrade. they actually use the not-as-smooth universal joint.

uvj:http://www2.gpmd.com/image/o/ofnc1510.jpg

Starting to downgrade? WOW!!!

Ever think maybe this so called "DOWNGRADE" is for handling purposes. Hence why I said the dogbone/universal type style gives more rotation/steering in the middle to exit of a turn.??

I am trying to come on here and push new product and educate people who are interested in our new project. I appreciate the questions but I dont understand the antagonizing.

DCM 24-08-2007 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey G (Post 57988)
Sorry, the casing is the same, thats about it. :) Everything else has been fixed, dual padded slipper with keyed spur gear, etc. You think I should copy the slipper, but we already copied the entire rear end of the B4, dont want to get in trouble with AE, right josh_smaxx??? :P

If it works, copy it, why not, all touring cars are similar.

The issue with the Griffin box was the fit and finish, there was a lot of work that went into getting my gearbox reliable, even as far as going back to the geared diff.

Here's hoping Dave

lazerboy 24-08-2007 07:53 PM

not trying to be mean to you, it's just these other two punks who keep following me around and criticizing me because i'm a new guy. And i really like the sb pro(and it's price:D)


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