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moth898 21-03-2010 10:59 PM

I'm not super discouraged anymore!!!
 
Just finished my race day with great results. let me break down the history of racing my cat.

Race 1-I broke everything, including the kitchen sink, on the Cat:(.Didn't finish the main. Got advice from lochness..clint...moss...church...jimmy and stegger. Spent loads of money at Shumacher.com.

Race 2-Broke alot less and finished the main last, but finished non the less...Spent loads more money at Shumacher.com.:eh?:

Race 3-Didn't break a single part and qualified 5th in the c main and finished 6th.:thumbsup:

I know some of you are saying big deal finish first and then you'll impress us, but thats not the point. I've never raced before and everyone here helped me get better.....THANK YOU!!!!! Now all I have to work on is to improve my driving skills.

The Cat is, as you Brits might say, spot on. Still not getting enough on throttle steering though, any ideas. I'm running the 12.5 yoke and thought of going down to the 7.5, will that help?

discostu 21-03-2010 11:33 PM

if i were you i would stop spending money on parts you probably dont need and consentrate on adjusting and learning about setups with what you have got, there is no one thing that will make your car or any car excelent if there was we would all have it all i sugest you do is play and take notes, the asnswer to your question 7.5 deg hubs will give less on power stearing.

stu

moth898 21-03-2010 11:43 PM

Some people eat when they are emotional, I buy parts:D.

So how do I get more on power steering?

lochness42 22-03-2010 12:35 AM

weeeeeee..... moth is our hero, moth is our hero weeeeeeeeee.... :thumbsup:

moth898 22-03-2010 04:01 AM

I'd like to thank the academy for this honour......:thumbsup:....no wait thats another dream. My goal is to be in the a-main by race 10 or maybe race at the robin hood raceway this june......that's if my wife lets me:(

David Church 22-03-2010 05:45 AM

I am happy to hear you getting on better with the Cat!!!:thumbsup:
When you are happy with your car your driving will improve.
As far as more on power steering, I will let much more qualified people answer, but perhaps think about a bit more brakes into a corner and let the car square up a bit more before getting on the power?

moth898 22-03-2010 11:52 AM

Your probably right, I was sliding into the loose stuff past the apex. To be honest I wasn't really pushing the cat as I was still trying to negotiate the jumps better. I've almost got them all figured out and then I'll work on improving my aproaches. The thing is this track doesn't let you practice on off race weeks, and from what I can figure, he lets his friends practice and all we get is 30 minutes before each race day. So all the people that have raced there for years know it alot better than any newcomer.

On a little different funny note, to give you a idea what its like to race on this track, 10 racers started the first qualifier and only four finished that didn't break!!

lochness42 22-03-2010 12:06 PM

Well that's good to hear that you didn't belong to that majority :D

Northy 22-03-2010 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moth898 (Post 357897)
My goal is to be in the a-main by race 10 or maybe race at the robin hood raceway this june......that's if my wife lets me:(

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

David Church 22-03-2010 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moth898 (Post 357992)
Your probably right, I was sliding into the loose stuff past the apex. To be honest I wasn't really pushing the cat as I was still trying to negotiate the jumps better. I've almost got them all figured out and then I'll work on improving my aproaches. The thing is this track doesn't let you practice on off race weeks, and from what I can figure, he lets his friends practice and all we get is 30 minutes before each race day. So all the people that have raced there for years know it alot better than any newcomer.

On a little different funny note, to give you a idea what its like to race on this track, 10 racers started the first qualifier and only four finished that didn't break!!

Have you got any pics of the track?

moth898 22-03-2010 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Church (Post 358107)
Have you got any pics of the track?

I don't have pictures, but I do have video of the track. Here's the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moRuBYauvq0

This track eats wishbones by the ton!!!!

PsycoChris 23-03-2010 05:38 AM

LOL Great Job Buddy.:thumbsup::thumbsup: Im glad we changed your mind and got your head on the right pass on chosing an excellent buggy I hope you do better and have a great season.

I brought Mine to an 8th scale track out east on Long Island Ny. And People could not believe there eyes what I was doing. The lay out was cool and new. They just put it together and it was day one there. I had my indoor setup on and an 8.5t ballistic with lrp sxx tc. and I basically Cleared every quad or double, or triple they had. I was right with the 1/8th scale buggies. They could not believe what they were saying. So I think this buggy is amazing and I cant wait to I get the Big Bores because I then will be able to hit anything.

moth898 23-03-2010 11:28 PM

Now I setting my sights on the cougar....but witch one to get. Moss said he uses the s1 chassis for his Cat because it more flexible and thus more forgiving in the handling department, does the same logic apply to the cougar?

clintscreations 24-03-2010 05:36 AM

Glad I could try to help.........might try a little more anti squat ....should gain a little more rear steer

moth898 24-03-2010 06:33 AM

I didn't think antisquat affects steering? That wasn't in the manual:confused::D

lochness42 24-03-2010 10:32 AM

Well I'm going to get Pro-CF kit and maybe I'll get S1 top deck to have softer car option. That's my choice.

Antisquat affects handling during acceleration and braking, so it doesn't have constant effect.

moth898 24-03-2010 11:16 PM

You haven't lead me wrong yet lochness so I bought the CF Pro last night also, then I got the bad news this morning:(........Their not released yet. Do any of the team drivers know about when to expect its release.

Is that a loaded question or what:D

Malek 25-03-2010 02:42 AM

So you're not discouraged anymore..that a good thing..I told you the cat needs some patience and time.It will only get better from here.As for my Cat it's going through some serious testing before my big race in tillsonburg.

moth898 25-03-2010 03:00 AM

Your just rubbing in Tillsonburg race, I won't make, because you just saw I bought the cougar....zilia...zilia:D

Malek 25-03-2010 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moth898 (Post 359365)
Your just rubbing in Tillsonburg race, I won't make, because you just saw I bought the cougar....zilia...zilia:D

You can always come to the race it's never to late you know...As for the cougar sv...I have a little suprise for you.

moth898 25-03-2010 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malek (Post 359367)
You can always come to the race it's never to late you know...As for the cougar sv...I have a little suprise for you.


Whaaaaaaat?

lochness42 25-03-2010 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moth898 (Post 359320)
You haven't lead me wrong yet lochness so I bought the CF Pro last night also, then I got the bad news this morning:(........Their not released yet. Do any of the team drivers know about when to expect its release.

Yes that's right, Cougar isn't out yet. Current expected realease is early April.

moth898 28-03-2010 01:31 PM

Due to the off week in racing because of easter, I gave the cat a good once over and noticed something. The steerind bell has alot of play due to the "ball cup brace". Is there any other option to replace that double ball cup brace or do I have to make one myself.

Cruise 28-03-2010 01:42 PM

Replace the original grey ballcups with the black ones of Mi4 (U3500)
the have a lot less play.Check on dusty tracks for free movement.
you can also apply some light threadlock to the bearings of the steering,as the bearings can have some play in the steering arm.

Cruise

lochness42 28-03-2010 01:58 PM

yes Mi4 ballcups are really improvement. everything is slop free

moth898 30-03-2010 08:55 PM

Is ca the only option for glueing tires? Ca seems to become loose after a couple of runs. I remember that shoe goo was also used but in 1/8 scale, can shoe goo be used in 1/10 or is there a better alternative?

lochness42 30-03-2010 10:49 PM

CA should be fine - are you using good thin glue?

moth898 31-03-2010 01:09 AM

I'm using proline medium, only because I think the thin runs off too fast

David Church 31-03-2010 05:12 AM

Are you cleaning the tyre before you put it on the wheel? Motor cleaner cleans alot of the release agent off which helps the glue stick to the tyre.

lochness42 31-03-2010 05:47 AM

maybe also to sand wheels a bit to help with grip, but I don't do that

moth898 31-03-2010 08:08 PM

I didn't think about the release agent being a problem, I'll give it a try. Got to get my act together if I'm going to show face at the race in june.:D

Mr. Red 31-03-2010 08:57 PM

Moth, If my wife wouldt let me play with my toys, I would start playing with her girlfriends instead;).

Have just read all the replys in your threads and have learned a lot. Thank you for asking the things I wanted to also:thumbsup:.

Got a question of my own. Am in the process of building mine and I am waiting for all my purple parts to come back re-anodized red! Get it..Mr Red....yeah you get it.

Can a servosaver be used??? First car I have ever built without one:confused:

chatts#725 31-03-2010 09:08 PM

servo saver
 
Yep you can use one as i have one in mine, all depends on what servo you run etc, you may find that you have clearance problems with your saver and the body and undertray, you can either a- cut a hole in the body and tray ( i tried this first with mine but no good for outdoors) or b- shorten the servo mounting posts by 3-5 mm or until the servo sits right up to the lipo, this should give you enough clearance on your saver side, there is no real science to this just use a file you will know when it looks right:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Mr. Red 31-03-2010 09:19 PM

Okey. thanks!

Have not reached that step yet cuz the parts will arrive tomorrow. Got a Futaba s9551 that is meant to sit in the Cougar and a BLS451 in the cat. Maybe it should be the other way around then? If it is easier to make it work?

moth898 31-03-2010 10:00 PM

I'm glad my inexperience has helped you Mr. Red:D

I was told that a servo save can fit but you would have to install a low profile servo to keep the steering geometry as straight as posible. On the advice of others I'm using a core aluminium servo arm on the third hole (it has four) and don't have any promlems. The thing with standard servo horns is that they are to thick and hit the body. The servo arms needed for the cat is inverted towards the servo so even if you can stuff a servosaver and standard size servo it might affect the steering. Buy a strong servo with metal gears, add on the core servo arm and you'll be fine. Here's the link:http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Manufa..._RC/CR110.html

It gives you something more to anodize red....Mr. Red:thumbsup:

P.S.Don't forget to get the Mi4 ball cups to reduce slop in the steering.

moth898 02-04-2010 07:44 PM

Does anyone know if the big bore shocks will fit with the rear shock conversion, or are we going to need a conversion for the conversion:confused:

mikeyscott 02-04-2010 08:11 PM

I would imagine fine as the sx2 rear wishbones have the mounting holes for both front or back.

I am back to shocks on the front and loving it. Big bores on the front for my track. As for other tracks, who knows

moth898 02-04-2010 08:18 PM

I'm not worried about how they work, I'm worried that the extention on the rear shock stay won't be long enough. Actually I'm pretty sure they won't fit with what's there now.

bigred5765 02-04-2010 08:22 PM

they fit front and back dont worry

moth898 12-04-2010 01:43 AM

Great success at the races today....Qualified third and finished second!!! In only my forth race. The cat was purrrrring all day long. I'm running Clint's setup for bumpy tracks and let me tell you it was smooooooth. I still didn't have enough on throtle steering, thats until I changed to 3mm anti-squat up from 2mm. The cat just hooked up and took off, its incredible how such a small change can make that much of a difference.

The only problem I'm still having is with the rear drive shafts popping out every now and then, thats only when I crash and cartwheel mind you:thumbsup: but it still happens. Any ideas?


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