10 minute finals?
 

With the introduction of the new batt list for this year and the ridiculous amount of capacitiy available, is it time we move on and introduce 10 minute finals for example?

What are peoples thoughts on this?

Not for me, longer races = longer day, or less people racing.

switch long finals for bump-ups :thumbsup:

bump ups sound gooooooooood :thumbsup:

nitro freak :woot:

long finals and bump ups is what makes nitro racing brilliant :thumbsup:

Even better for you Dan propose 1 lap finals and you might have got some good results over the weekend:thumbsup:

I have enough problems concentrating for 5 mins these days!!!

Sounds good dude but I have all on not breaking my car in 5 mins never 10 :woot:

Already doing 7 mins. Finals at the EPR Winter Warmer series:woot:
Would possibly do 10 if we had a little more light:thumbsup:

Maybe something to think about for the SE GP meeting we're thinking of doing again 11 April 2010.

Brings something else to our racing!

Very true!:cry:

Unfortunately my X12 motors are cooking after 5 mins. Try 10 and they will be fried.

We are doing bump ups at the two day meeting 27th 28th Feb at

Pro-line dirt arena.

using the christmas tree finals

we will see what happens good entry only a few places left

What are 'Bump-ups' ?

top 3 move to next final etc

Not bothered about bump up's, 10 minute finals sounds good!!! And 3 leg finals for all sounds even better!!!:thumbsup:

10 mins
 

One of the things i really love about nitro racing is long finals and bump ups.

Even if you have a terrible qualifying you can still work your way up the finals. Its great as you get far more track time than the usual 15-20 mins you get at electric racing.

long finals are also a real challenge as you have to work out pitting strategy and really keep your concentration.

Frankley nitro ran 30 min finals for all towards the end of the summer series.

I do regional and nats with nitro and the biggest draw for me is the long finals, longest ive done is 30 mins but at some mational events you get 45 mins and some yank events you get an hour!!!!! A true test of man and machine, 5 minute finals are NOT a decent final its just another sprint imo.

I also race 12th pan cars and we already do 8 mins so another 2 will be greatly welcomed imo.

Thing is, 10 min finals mean big events like Bury indoors with over 100 runners must either:
1) Become 2 day affairs
2) Have less entrants
3) Start at 6am and finish at 9pm!

I'm all for more time on track, but in order for that to happen every other final also gets more time, and that means 5 mins extra on the track is an hour extra at the trackside!

Hi all
we have just done Christmas tree bump up finals at PDA, with an 8 min A final.

It worked really well, one person getting 6 finals due to the bump up. others with 2 or more.

with this format you get chance to charge in between, well worth looking at in the future.

So if you have a bad day you could still make the A final.

some thing to think about. it does not add anything to the days times. You do have to be on the ball with crystals.

YES!

I think in principle, it's a good idea. However, there are certain assumptions being made here:-

1) Everyone has the "mega capacity" cells - I don't for example, I "only" have 3600mah cells.
2) All out equipment is up to the job - do we all know that the ESC's and Motors are up to the job? As Tony M has mentioned, his X12 motors for example, are rather warm after a 5 minute final

Personally, I like the 5 minute format we have now, but I am not one to stand in the way of change as long as it is not just change for changes' sake.

i ran just 3200 lipos and i got a bump up and a dash for cash round so the bump ups are fine and i would expect that i could get 8mins out of the pack easely

8 minutes are possible on 3200's but anything after that is not possible in my experience.

in 4wd it was close i wouldnt want 10mins in that but in 2wd no probs its fine for 15 when i last timed it

I think longer finals is the only thing we lack in tenth scale, last year I ran a couple of the bcl series, running my then cat in with 12th nitros !! 20 min finals !!

I was using tp 3600 lipos and did a battery change after 10 mins, using novak electrics on sunny days on grass.. It wasn't any hotter than normal...get the gearing right and no issues..

Agree that it would mean longer days but let's be honest we all go for as much track time as poss ESP when we have driven 2hours or so to a track..

At Worksop yesterday there were about 9 4wd finals and about 7 2wd finals, add an extra 5 mins to each and were talking 80 extra mins so only finishing just over an hour later... Not that bad :thumbsup:

Longer finals shouldn't be a problem for batt's, even 3200's.
But surely if you're bumping up all the time, you're going to need loads of batt's or more charging time?

I know Im only taking around 1 amp out of my Trakpower 3600's with a losi 6.5 2wd setup, and I'm trigger happy :thumbsup:

I have mentioned it to a few people recently about longer heats/finals


I still unsure how bump ups work though, say if you qualify in the d and win you go up to the c? win that go upto b? are the finals run one after another?

longer finals is definately something we lack in 1/10, if ur motors running hot, gear it to suit, a 3600 should be able to make 10 mins geared right, i'd lovge to see 15 min finals in stock, anyway, they dont have to add to the race day, instead of having 3 A finals, drop to 2 x 8 min or 2 x 10 min finals, which is 16 or 20 mins of finals as opposed to the 15 of 3 A mains, u gain time in reality because theres less one less race to "changeover" to ie if u have a 2-3 min gap between races, you take out 1 lot of those by reducing the number of races whilst being able to increase the length of the finals

I hear some people commenting on low pack mah not up to the long finals, but it would mean going down a wind or two on the motor - and tbh I reckon most of us would probably go quicker with a slower motor. eg. At southport with a T4 a few years ago, I put a 27stock in for 1 run (was boring), then was a whole lap slower the rest of the day when i put an 8x2 in.

Heat is an issue. Not only for the long finals, but especially for those who bump up needing 20-30 minutes to cool down - as the rotor magnets just die under high temperatures and that is bad.

The idea is great, but practically I don't think it is possible with electric without slowing the cars right down.

Just go to nitro..... :thumbsup: .... they can do it, and do do it.

with the Chritmas tree bump ups you have an a an b side so for example

1/16th a final runs the first say 2 in this then move to the a 1/8th final.

the 1/16th b final then then runs this allows the 1/16th winners time to charge and so it goes on.

Rob has explained it better on the Proline dirt section on here.
So even if you run Nicads you can still do Bump ups in this mode