which car is best out of these 2 cars d4 or b44
 

hi can anybody tell me which car is best out of these 2 cars. for outdoor racing . as i will be doing alot of racing next year as much as possible . and can you get spare parts without order them and waiting for the to come into stock ? if anybody know which car would be best for me to buy ? thanks be nice on you comment plz

I can't comment on the spares situ for the D4, but generally you can get any part for the B44 next day :)

I love mine to bits. With the popularity of the B44 it's rare you'll get stuck at a meeting because you broke something.

thanks do you know how old the d4 is ?

Out of the two you have listed the B44 will be the easiest to get parts for.

BUT: You have just bought a Losi XXX4 which will do you absolutely fine for the time being as pretty much every car will overstep your personal ability. I don't mean this as a personal putdown.

You are really making yourself look like a complete muppet as you carry on buying stuff at a rate of knots and not at all getting aquainted with any one car in particular. Forever changing cars will not do your progression as a driver any good at all as you will have no experience whatsoever to go on to get it running right.

Along with the B44 you will also go and have to buy saddle pack lipos as your stick packs will not fit.
Check the for sale section on here. Someone is selling an X5 without shocks, so you could actually make a decent car out of the XXX4 and that. That said I don't believe from the impression you convey over the forum that you will come to terms with either car as you lack the commitment and patience required to set a car up properly for racing.

If you really want to start racing stick with a 2wd as they require less maintenance and you can get away with budget electronics far better than in a 4wd. This advice has been given to you so often that this thread is doomed to becoming another Stampy-Bashfest...

I feel empty for having written so much yet again to someone who has been outright rude to me personally and others but hey.

Dreading your answer

depending if you intend on being in the top30 at nationals or not...

if not, you will be fine running the xxx4 outdoors or anywhere, just run it and get track time and experience.

you don't need to spend money while you are learning, run what you have and then when you do come to spend money you can make an informed choice, you will also get to see various cars running at the club and be able to see for yourself...

I've been reading these forums for a few weeks yet, and by god how many cars have you got?

I tent to sway with what was said above, if you already have a car why not get yourself used to that first, until your ability out grows the car, then look at another car?

i have try my car on a bmx tracks with grass and graver and it was not good at all ? plus not many people use them at all for outdoors but good on indoor track

I dont think a BMX track is the place to test a car out, especially on gravel, wont it muller it?

I started back racing after 5 years + away from it with a 'found in shed' MR4BC which was great to get back into the swing of things, although finding parts was a nightmare. It got me through the few weeks remaining of the indoor season until I swapped to a T3 truck to go outdoors. It wasn't until many months later I got my B44. About 3 weeks before we ended our outdoor season.

Stick with one car and get it running nicely is good advice. It's much like talking to people who can't do a lap without crashing about a 6.5 motor

i have tryed it on a track with grass and it just seem to be not very good at all on grass :confused: and the car is set up very well with a 8.5 and it nice to drive but no good on grass i have tryed diffrent tyres etc

The grass Stampy will be too long and wet this time of the year. Use it indoors until the outdoors season starts. By this time you'll be able to hone your driving skills and then when you take it outside you'll find that there is nothing wrong with a losi.

thanks i will just wait untill the outdoor racing start again before buy another car and try it out

pretty much everywhere will be the same at this time of year. I don't take mine out at the moment and I have a nice bit of grass I ran it on a few months ago near my house.

any car will be the same right now so unless you're off to any meetings where they'll sort the track out stick to indoors as suggested :)

Bear in mind I'm having moderate success running a nearly 20 year old RC10T in trucks, and despite having a D4 I frequently run a 10 year old Cat'98 indoors and do pretty well with that too. I'm a little quicker with the D4 most of the time, but in truth I'm the limiting factor not the car..... It will be the same for you. You won't be winning with the XXX4 to start with, but then you wouldn't be winning with a Durango either!

But in answer to your original question - it depends on how cheap the D4 is! Spares aren't that hard to get hold of - not as easy as a B44 at race meetings but practically every model shop has an HPI account. HPI UK's stock ordering is a little poor though so sometimes there are shortages of a particular item (last time it was front bulkheads) until a new batch arrives in the UK.
All that said there really isn't a lot of difference between the D4 and B44 in terms of performance, and given that new and used B44's are normally much cheaper than D4's I can see no reason to get a D4 over a B44. Mine was a good deal, otherwise I'd have got the B44 too.

i will just wait untill i can race outdoors and try it then lets hope it ok but the grass was dry when i tryed it out?

Good lad. This game is all about patience and stick to one thing at a time. Don't start changing springs, oil, camber, caster and pinions in one go. You'll never know what did what for you.

Set your car up to factory standard as the losi team have done hours of testing to get to that set up, so it will work reasonably at every track. Then its just upto you to fine tune it to your driving.

Don't put the fastest motor in you can find. You need to learn the car before you start going fast. Put the slowest motor in you've got and then you'll be able to go around that corner without tipping. Don't worry if other drivers come past you. You have to look at it this way. When you get used to it and you are keeping up with them, then you can turn around and say "ha ha you didn't leave me this round. I was still with you and I've got a lot slower motor than you" Believe me that will give you more satisfaction.

Its not the speed going from corner to corner. Its the speed in the corner that gets you going around a track quickly.

Talk to the drivers at the track and find out what tyres they are on, and its not the winning its the coming home with nothing broken :lol::thumbsup:

Most of all go and enjoy yourself.

Why are you buying ANOTHER car.
The only reason I bought a second car was because its a big drive to the nearest club and I want to maximise time on track, hence 2wd and 4wd cars.

Why dont you just go practice with what you have mate?

thanks for all the comment guys i will wait and just try it and find out myself at the end of the day there only my that will know. what best for me at the end of the day . last time i when racing i came 5 place so i cannot be that bad at it :lol: i have take all your comment on board thanks guys

If I recall from an earlier thread you came 5th out of 5 in the final?


I've lost all patience with you Stampy; you don't listen to any advice. (Surely everbody is slowly realising this?) And you can be very insulting.

Simply put, you're a moron.

no there was about 10 people racing mate plz dont comment as your naste and cannot be doing with it all the time thanks

Lets give him 1 more chance to sort himself out. Then if he messes up then we just do not post a reply to any of his threads.

Lets not make this thread into a pick on Stampy again.

Stampy needs to learn not to reply to posts thats attacking him, but just to laugh it off.

Stampy im not having a go, but you told people before you never raced?

He had one race if I remember Pete.

i have raced about 5 times now pete

Put the losi in a locked cupboard/under the stairs/in the garage.
Do the same to the B4.
Cancel all orders for new cars. You've got enough already if the wife is not racing.
The madrat and your bashing trucks are the only cars you are ever allowed to evn try until the outdoor season starts, or you're racing indoors.
Until then bash, enjoy and forget about racing.
We're indoors at York nearly every saturday, so get down and speak to the racers about help with set-ups.

Im returning to this after a loooooooong lay off, and I cant get round the track once without wiping out.
I have chosen my cars, and im going to stick with them and learn how to drive them again.
You need to do the same mate, there are people on here with years of experience, who will be better drivers than we will ever be will just stop helping you.
You need to listen to them, your xx4 is good enough, the only place you will know if it is no good for you is the race track, get to some races and lean both on the track and off. ;)

i will do mate it was peole say why did i buy xxx4 coz they are not good on out side tracks people like jimmy76 end of the day i am going on what people said and what i have seen the car on grass andi think the same that all pete . i am going to stick with them and just keep trying to race better with them till i know the car inside out and see what the best at the end of the day thanks

So where you racing next? York sat night?

Raced 5 times since June?

B4 Pete you need to button this one up, with the thread I closed yesterday because of the poor way you let rip on a reputible model shop, with an attitude of a child, and now your provoking a previous 'trouble' member who is trying to mend his ways.

In my eyes, and alot of others, you are now coming aross as the old stampy!

Stampede VXL, please keep up the good effort, ask questions if your curious but please dont react to members who are out for a reaction.

Stampy, to agree with Mallet etc, the approach your now going for is best, of running what you have indoors over the winter and see where your at come spring!

To clarify about the xxx4, it has a reputation for not taking the bumps too well outdoors, but for 99% of us will be just fine! If it doesn't feel good guys at your club will help set it up indoors as a good start point!

Dave

That last paragraph is key. I've been playing virtual RC lately, and with a fast car I've crashing off and getting lap times of over 16 seconds. If I stick with a slow car I'm having smoother laps and doing regular 13 second laps. Although it's only 'virtual', I'd imagine it's very much like the real thing in this scenario.

Edit, also, you could give me my lazer zx-5 or a dex410, and I probably wouldn't be able to tell you the difference, and that's because I'm just getting back into it and don't know the feel of my own car.

if anything I think it might be harder to start now than it was when I got my 1st car (manta ray). It seems everyone has brushless gear and lipos and when I started it was a mechanical speedo and a 540 motor with a 1200 nicd stick :blush:

It wasn't until xmas that year until I upgraded to 1400 packs and a very basic electronic speedo

The xxx4 is a very good car and has lots of plus points, it's easy to work on and you can get parts for it, and if you look around in the Losi forum there are some standard set up sheets for different conditions and you could get it going pretty well on almost any surface, it's only on the roughest of rough tracks that it seems to struggle a bit. In the right hands though it did well a few years ago in Nationals and even won the worlds (although not on an English type track).

My advice (as someone who is still learning myself) would be stick with it and try to improve your driving up to a point, and get a feel for how set ups change the car behaviour, that is IMO one of the hardest things to understand and get to grips with. ANY car can feel terrible on any track if the set up and tyre combination is not right. Get a set up that feels ok and try to do a heat without making a mistake, and try to improve lap times from there.

Moderator or not, YOU need to chill out. I talk to Stampy via PM and actually he is an alright guy, maybe a bit understood.

I was only asking if he raced 5 times since June, whats wrong with that, im not provoking him.

If you actually want the full story, I had started to type

''You have raced 5 times since January, what cars did you use?'' , to say, he needed to stick and learn with the one car, if he raced 5 times with different cars. But, Racdeaf walked into my office and I hit the retun key accidently before I finished typing. I came back my my desk, and alas, you jumped in with your post.

As for the thread closed yesterday, it was just getting stupid, hence why I asked for it to be locked. I said I was wrong, and when I receive my parts, Ill call them and apologise for being a Dick.

Moderator or not? I dont think that matters in the slightest, oople is reknown for its laid back approach compared to other forums, so dont throw that in to the mix!

All of the crap you post is verging on the worst excuses and reasons for covering your own arse i've heard since I've helped Jimmy with this site.

First things first, pressing the return key starts a new line, your required to 'click' submit reply, even tabing only goes to the emotion icons below.

Your excuses for the Mk racing situation were poor, your back was against the wall as you know you were in the wrong and you still use the lamest of the lame excuses for trying to keep your head above the water which was seen as a fail by every one beside your self.

You need less hostility in your posts, you come across as aggressive and devensive in the same posts!

Back on to the topic as per started, any more can be sent via a pm if needed.

Return key, clicked the mouse, you know what i mean.
Still no parts from MK, going to call them in a min. Just to answer your post.

Anyway, back on topic.

Stampy

You have raced 5 times since January, what cars did you use?

I agree the XXX4 was not that good on grass we had to make a lot of changes to make it work, Too many to dicuse on this web site.

I would go for the B44 there are plenty of spares and there are plenty of people to help you with set ups. The std car works well on all surfaces.

Good luck to you.

don;t be dragging me into this again. you asked for my opinion on the car (after you bought it!) and I gave you the opinion from a serious racers point of view. Most other serious racers will agree with that view that the car isn't great outdoors on bumpy tracks, but is excellent indoors on smooth tracks.

BUT, for a beginner who has no idea about racing, it will get you round the track just as well as most other cars. Only once you get to a certain ability will you notice the benefit of other cars, so stick with it and learn how to drive/set up a car and how a race meeting runs.

Out of the 2 you suggested i would certainly go for a B44. Better car, cheaper spares and more widely available spares and set ups.

But as previously stated in here, you will need all new saddle packs so hold off for a season until you can drive properly, then take the plunge if you have decided racing is something you like.

i am selling the car and putting the money away till next year and buy a new 1 as i have got somebody that wont it and i cannot refuse