Preds in the United States...
 

how would an X11 with the big bore shocks likely handle rough and blown out tracks that have been used by 1:8 buggies? I've heard of durability issues with the older predators, but I haven't heard any durability issues with the new X11. I'm a relatively new racer, been racing on and off for a few years, but all on-road, so I'll probably break a few more parts than a more experienced driver would just on crashes, but is the Predator going to hold up to a rough and blown out track? thanks for helping out a potential X11 owner

Im sure most 10th cars will struggle a bit on blown out 8th tracks but i honestly don't think you can go much further than the x11.....

At one of our Nationals this year the Factory Associated drivers were having to put Losi shocks on there car as it was that bumpy. The Pred flew through these bumps!!!!

I would make sure you go for the x11 08 version and make sure you do the team mods, setups can be found on the www.the-pred.co.uk

This is incredible....:D
yep losi are the best shock in the world....asso shock not to be a great...

my pred x-11
 

hi restimax..

the preds holding out really well, started to push it now. :thumbsup:

well done m8!
i think that car love the british air....:lol:
your family it's ok?
cheers
Max

all good
 

all is well mate, hope your family are to. :thumbsup:

i now have big-bores all round and that helps the jumping alot. ;)

thanks, I'm a rather old member over on the-pred.co.uk back from when it was on the original forum, back I think when the X10 came out, or shortly thereafter.

pardon my ignorance, but when you say the 08 version of the X11, what do you mean? did they change the spec at all between '08 and '09, and if so, what was it about the '09 that makes it not as desirable as the '08?

The '08 as it is being called is the original X11 with some mid-production improvements. Most notably the big-bore shocks and some other reliability improvements, I believe.

There isn't an official '09 spec, yet. I am kind of hoping that happens ... or maybe an X11 '10 :D The exchange rates are sort-of back to normal so it makes the Pred less unafordable for those of us in the USA :D

'nuff said,
MX4

thats correct about the x11-08 spec it is same as normal x11 but with them mods which is well worth having the car is durable as im not the best of drivers and i did a season without a breakage

so the '08 spec comes with the blue and orange anodized big bore shocks from the factory?

yes :D and well worth running the car

ooh, this is an unexpected treat :D I always thought the X11 came with the slightly smaller XRS-and-X10 size shocks and that the big bores were just an upgrade, not a stock-replacement part for the X11-08. anyway, I'm getting my old XX4WE fixed up so I'll have some experience by the time I get the X11, and so I'll have a basis for comparison, knowledge of what tire works best at what track, and a nice supply of saddle packs to go with it. I am definitely going X11-08 this winter though. the XX4WE seems like it's one hell of a buggy, and with the X11-08 being so good in the blown out rough stuff, it should get on even better :D

You need to remember that all the team guys are running Lipo stick packs in the x11-08.
Once you have made the small changes the car is awesome. It was quick before but these mods make it super quick.

I have not really changed my setup from the first national this year, i even ran the same setup on the car last week at the European Championships.

Ok, I recently purchased an x11 '08 from a member here, he has been running the car stock (i.e. no mods) and I and looking to run the car for a month or two in its current form before I start modding it, this way I can actually "see" the differences, but in the States I don't have any local guys running the car so I can see the mods clearly.

I have searched and searched every forum, but I want to see the process of the stick pack mod step by step, so I can make this change correctly the 1st time, is there anyone who can help, I need this as clear as possible.

Thanks for helping a new pred owner

I've actually raced against 1/8 buggies on a blown out huge 1/8 track. I could beat them quite easily. And this was with the old X10 (with a 5.5 in it), before big bores. All I had to do was make sure they didn't run me over while I was near them, lol. I think the pred does great on rough tracks with huge jumps.

If you look through the older posts here at oOple or on the X11 specific part of the pred website there are several pics of different peoples conversions. From all accounts it makes the car more predictable. As for rough track handling. Nothing beats the xx4. But if the car can compete on European tracks, with all the different surfaces they race on I can't don't think it would be any different
Just started to rebuild the car I got from an oOple member and will be running it on tracks in NY/CT area as soon as I get my new body from Xtreme.

@ t8rtot:

here are some pics from my conversions (X10 and X11 tot stickpack):
http://www.ludodg.com/RC/albums/Pred..._StickpackMod/

! the last pic, showing my sketch with measurements ... these numbers are not correct, I noticed later on when I also did the stickpackmod on a new chassis.

I'll make a new sketch and add it to the album

I did ran in the Belgian-Dutch-Championship at STokrooie yesterday and this was exactly what you described: dusty dirt track with lots of bumps and holes in the track.

Things I changed from the standard Kevin Lee setup:

front:
shocks: oil 35, spring red, (! see Kevin Lee: 3mm shim in the shock, 14mm shaft showing, ...)
short pushrod-mod, with pushrod-turnbuckles showing 20mm
rollbar in the softest position
height: (forgot, I'll check tomorrow)


Rear:
no precompression-spring,
red spring
height: A-Arms horizontal (axles above level)
shock mounted in lowest hole on rocker and mounted in standard hole on shocktower + 18mm shwoing of shockshaft
no rollbar

My mate Phoenix drove a slightly diff setup:
Caster: 2mm shims in front of top suspension arm (I ran full caster: 4mm shims in front of top suspension arm)
no front rollbar

We also both drove with the solid cardan axle (no one-way)

hope this helps.

I'll have to check out the new specs, thanks Lowie,

And when u say solid axle upfront, where is that listed , sry but I'm new to this car so I'll be asking all kinds of questions all the time.

sorry no, it's not an solid axle in the front. I still drove with two diffs.
What I meant is the central cardan, the propshaft being without the One-way.
The X10 had standard a One-way. The X11 has a solid propshaft.
Mine (X11) although, came with the One-way-propshaft when i bought it second hand

Oh, ok. I'm not sure which one my car will have, I should be here within the next day or two.... or three. But I eill be looking forward to trying both.

And I'm just curious, I read every report oOple makes and I see you guys run spiked tires, which is waaaay different then the types of tires we rub over here (but on different surfaces of course) but if you guys were to run on a small to medium sized CLAY track, which type of tires would you grab first. I think I prefer the 'euro' type of racing, you guys are way more open minded then we are..(I prefer dirt though) for example:

X-Factory is an american company... but you guys support the car way better then we do here.. most americans are afraid of change. Not bash my own country but I wish we could do a little more outside the box these days.

oke so in belgiem whe run on the dirt tracks with bigschot(losi) on the rear.
and the front depends on the steering you whant. holeschots M3 proline or
blockheads losi red .
or ifmarstuds (losi) in compound red front and rear.
and iff its get to bumpy try whithout precompession springs and this is only when daer are no more smal bumps djest tho calm the car dawn

i raced in slovakia a couple of months ago on a clay track, im sure lochness on here can send pics if needed. was a damp to drying clay track and i used holeshots allround to good effect. car was the nuts as well ;) and hopefully there will be a report on oople about it once jimmy has rewritten my megre attempt ;)

I've been racing my TTech '95 (!) at Proline Dirt Arena and Proline Holeshots work well there (hard packed clay). Wasn't quite sure about how much to cut the supplied foam inserts down though, really wide to start with. No wear at all either.

o was just curious to see if you guys run spikes on clay. On a small clay would you recomend a one-way or the ball-diff up front?

<3 <3 <3

Lol, what are you worrying about....

the oneway is in the propshaft rather than a diff. it is also tuneable by sliding orings over it so you can get some braking. different team members (myself included) are running a solid prop as its easier to slow the car down, others with the oneway prop find the car flows better so take your own choice as to which to run. personally on a tight track id run the solid prop

Now now, don't be mean about my vintage vehicle!...you're just jealous of my carbon fibre tub anyway...

So the oneway is like the clicker on the losi xx4. Ok, well that makes sense

in terms of adjustable then yes ;)

héhéhé you obviously don't know which and how much vintage predators I have at home :)

t8rtot - in terms of tires, look at what the locals run, generally there is a conserative and aggressive choice. The clay tracks I run on in NY and CT - Losi BK bars or J Concepts Bar Codes are the "fast" tires, but can be on the edge. Holeshots or Double D's are safer, more consistant, but tend to be slower per lap.

How does one go about getting one of these beautifull cars stateside? I'd love to get my hands on one, but the team xtreeme websight is down.

team xtreme have recently moved so a lot of things are getting done as we speak. probably expensive but try giving lewis (mr xtreme ) a call on 0044304 840597

www.theraceplace.co.uk are now stocking the Team Xtreme cars and parts. We are also able to send items worldwide.

If you can't get hold of Team Xtreme then we should be able to meet your requirements.

Regards

John Spencer

Thanks for the info John, if I can't get a hold of xtreme I'll def go through you.

solid prop
 

would xtreme have a part number for this, i really dont get-on with a oneway.

cheers.:thumbsup:

Hi Migsy...

We www.theraceplace.co.uk will be updating our stock list on our website this week once we have gone through our box... But if the fixed prop is what you are after then we have them in stock.

John

fixed prop
 

Hi John, thats great to know. could i get a price and part number off you please.

cheers..Alan