X6 shocks Losi or associated?
 

Which are the best shocks to use for an X6, losi or associated?

Both work fine. I use Losi because I have been building them a lot longer. They are what I am used to. The Associated shocks work great. I just hate how you have to pop those seals in place.

I use asso shocks, they work fine.
I belive you need losi bk2 driveshaft if u use losi shocks.

Changing from AE to Losi shocks, or vice versa, is an expensive proposition if you don't already have them. But Losi pistons will fit in the AE shocks and of course you can use Losi oil. Those are two things you can change that are relatively cheap. I think the Losi springs will fit on the AE shock too, but am not sure about that; the sprigns are cheap too.

So you don't have to spend all the money for completely new shocks if AE is what you've got. Just Losify them! LOL

In our experience, you can win with either. Like my favorite gunner says, it's really a matter of preferance.

losi shock spring
 

you will need to change the spring seat so the spring does not move.

why not kyosho shocks?
i thought i read somewhere that BK uses them :D

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i always thought losi was losi and assoc were assoc!

losi springs dont seat very well on assoc shock bodys and you also need to change the bottom shoe so they seat perfect. this is because losi have a bigger inner-diam.

At the Clash, BK had Kyosho shocks on his cars. I like their 1/8 scale shocks. I have no experience with their 1/10 shocks. If they are anything like the 1/8 shocks then they are very good.

if it was my choice ( i dont run an x6 i have a b4)

i would run b4 shocks - as there is no way in this world you can tell me that Cliff Lett designed the front of the b4 so it would work on losi shocks

same for the rear- the x6 runs copy wishdones and the inner hingpink angle and distance apart is the same as the b4 - so why try and run shocks that where not designed for the car.

If AE bring out there own mid motor 2wd car it will have AE shock on it run AE pistons and AE springs

have a look at the new losi mid motor car- it runs losi shocks why because thats what the designers of the xxxcr designed it with


just my 2p

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well said chris, i could'nt put it any better than that. :)

Actually Millzy, the rear end of the X - 6 has a much wider pivot than the B4, with shorter arms to help keep the width correct. We didn't want super-short arms, though, so the the hub is a tiny bit further out than on a B4. That combined with the variable-height transmission is why most run the #5660 longer cvd axles.

I would also argue that all rc shocks are coil-over emulsion-dampened shocks, and thus fairly similar. There are slight differences in on-track performance, mostly due to the different pistons of the various manufacturers, but they'll all do a great job in the right hands. Now, there are vast differences in how easily each shock builds and how long they last; those are more subjective measurements though and why various drivers might prefer one shock over another.

that and the fact that if your running different shocks on the same car to everyone else,your also without help in the set up department,

your right on the wishbone- well you should be you designed the car
did greg run b4 rear a arms on the prototype? is that where im getting copy design mix up

one thing
i thought the longer cvds axles where for the "bumpy uk tracks" and where an option hence why you dont put them in the kits as standard?

im with you on the shocks will all the do the same thing in the right hands

We did run B4 rear arms on the first X - 6 prototypes. We kept snapping hinge pins though because the design required a very long inner rear hinge pin, and even with a solid long spacer on the pin it would shear right where the front of the arm was. Once we decided we would need to mold our own arms in order to suppor the whole hinge pin, we had the opportunity to make the rear pivot wider and gain some stability in the rear. This change, along with moving the motor back 9/64" (as far as we could), led to the second round of prototyping. From that point forward we ran with our own machined-delrin arms. I still have some laying around somewhere, in fact...


As for the axles, there's a variety of reasons they sell more/are needed more in the UK compared to elsewhere. Most of you guys, with Ellis' lead, run more droop than we do (I almost always have .090" inside my rear shocks) and also run the transmission all the way down (again, most of us run at .060" or so). I have the longer axles in my car - so I can run the extra droop if I need to - but only have them shimmed in .060" or so, which is about the amount of moving the spacers in on a regular B4 cvd axle.

Maybe Ellis and Phil are just giving everyone a chance at the Nationals then, imagine how much further a head they would be if they used shocks that were designed for the car. :woot:

Thanks for the help guys, I've opted for the associated shocks as I needed the losi ones to go on the X5 I am selling

i run associated shocks on mine, with associated springs and losi pistons, i can copy oil and spring rates to team drivers and im chuffed to bits with the car


is the "new losi" not just an AC conversion?

I was wondering the same?

A

Yes it is

that the losi team are now all runnig

but yes it is a conversion- a losi conversion that runs losi shocks

id like to see a top family driver run on ae shocks and give the people who buy the kits and run AE shocks a good set up that they could run knowing it got driver X into the top 5 at a national and that driver x spent time on the set up and shocks

Every one of us has run AE shocks at one point or another. Losi ones are just faster and feel better. If ae AE were faster or as fast we would be running them

so why are ae shocks slower?

nope its an AC conversion for a Losi!!:p

so whats an x6 then a b4 conversion??

i think he is trying to say that you sugested or it looked like you had sugested, it was a losi made conversion, thats how i read it anyway

its not an Associated, or a b4 any more

X factory x6 is a car utilizing B4 parts, x6 has its own rear suspension parts (as you know)

when James may joined a saab to an alfa was it a saab? alfa? or a safa?:lol:

james may dude

Personally, i dont know, it may be the extra droop we can get with them, the car feels ok on them but it just turns faster laps with losi shocks on.

I stuck it out with Ae shocks on my first X6 and i wouldn't have it that losi were better, how could they be? But they just are :)

Thats the thing there Lee- i am very temped to get an x6- but the fact that you need in the uk the extra bits plue losi shocks and slipper to have the car the same as Ellis puts me off

becuase as you said its faster on losi shocks- and having been around when Ellis came up wtht he e speed hangers i kow they are also a must

err 2 people millzy.. not the whole team really :rolleyes:

you need to get on the right page mate

Brian has one

Danny has one

Griff has one or is lending one

Southwell has his coming for ERP#

and Belston as ive just been told

i think thats the UK losi team lol- as its not a huge team now is it

Hehe...you whispering that Pete?

So I'm wondering, when does a Losi stop being a losi? An X6 conversion is known as an X-factory car rather than an AE car and depending on personal preference carries any number of non AE parts, and has it's own racing team / family.

With regards this latest AC conversion, which I don't know any real detail about, when does the Losi car become an AC car and not a losi car?

Interesting to hear that the losi team drivers aren't using a truely losi car?!?!?! If that's the correct assessment!

The losi team are allowed to use it for a number of reasons. Mainly the standard Cr is not the best and secondly it does utilise all losi parts, so people have to buy a CR to use this car, the only bit they throw away is the chassis. ;)

I dont know if the slipper is a must, i haven't felt the need to use a losi one, i think it's a personal preference thing.

we use and have always used the ae slipper never had a single problem,and as lee we ran for the first 12 months on ae shocks they were just fine,but when you get to the point were you just cant get the car right,and no top ten driver can help you because there not running them, it's time to get out the losi shocks,I'm not sure if there any better just theres more options open using them,

Last I knew speaking to Ellis, he was still using an AE slipper and had no thoughts to change it!

Thats one "essential" you can knock off the list of bits that are a must for an X6......

Nothing big or important then, hehe :lol:

On topic, I've been running associated shocks on my x6, and having now had a bit of practice don't think I'm building them too badly and the car seems to be running well with them, however, I've just got hold of a set of losi shocks and am going to give them a go this week...only because I can really, so will report my thoughts on the matter if I have any!

I have no doubt they will feel different, as to better? Maybe, but reckon mostly it's what you get used to, I run alongside losi'd x6's and don't feel like it's a disadvantage on the AE ones.

What are the thoughts on the losi slipper then? What difference do people find with that?

coz ellis said so?

but then other team drivers are telling me diffrent and that the losi slipper is better

Just spoke to Ellis no more than 2 mins ago on the phone, he confirms he runs the AE slipper and always has since he prefers it to the feel of the Losi one that he was familiar with on his older XXX's when he ran them.

You did say "i am very temped to get an x6- but the fact that you need in the uk the extra bits plue losi shocks and slipper to have the car the same as Ellis puts me off" a few post back.

Every factory driver in every team will have their own favourite little bits that they prefer to use that not all of their team mates will like...