F1 appeal rules in Brawn's favour
 

Motorsport's governing body, the FIA, has ruled the Brawn GP car, which has taken Briton Jenson Button to two wins this season, is legal. A panel heard eight hours of strongly worded evidence on Tuesday after complaints that Brawn, Toyota and Williams, use an illegal diffuser.
And the five International Court of Appeal judges said the designs "comply with the applicable regulations".
All three teams are free to race in the Chinese Grand Prix in Shanghai
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that takes the wheels off ferrari,s season
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good news

Just been reading about this, excellent news.

I think its amazing that the FIA went against ferrari:thumbsup:

To be honest though, Brawn were confident of this result because they consulted the FIA during the design stages of the car and it was all approved. It was the wording of the other teams queries which led to different answers from the FIA:lol:

From reading that report it sounds like it got a bit 'heated' in there as well... oh well, all good fun... on to the next race! :thumbsup:

I hope Brawn paint their diffuser bright lime green:lol:

yeh good on the fia and well done to brawn ,toyota and willams for developing a better car then rest its about time ferrari were playing catch up

The thing that isn't being covered by mainstream media is the fact that the FIA told Renault at least, in 2007 and 2008 that they couldn't use the loophole. Renault has sent several questions to Charlie Whitting some worded, some including technical drawings about options to make a double deck diffuser and each time they were told 'No'.
Then he flipped and allowed it this year. The incriminating thing to me is that as the furore grew Charlie stopped talking to Renault about the matter- actually stopped answering emails and ignoored the team.

And the ruling was never in doubt by the way because once Max Moosley got up and told the papers in Melbourne it was ok, the die was set. And I know first hand the Melbourne stewards were instructed by the FIA to pass the diffuser cars. The appeal was a formality.

What bugs me is that the FIA set out to reduce downforce by 50% this year, and also make it easier to overtake by reducing turbulence. The cars with double deck diffusers currently have almost the same downforce as last year, and make juast as much turbulent air- thus making it hard to follow them. Well done FIA, soon, we'll undo all the good racing that's been seen on the slower 14 cars so far this year!

so how long now before all the teams will be running them then . i hope brawn hold out as top dogs when ferrari put one on its nice to see jenson finaly get a good car and show what he can do

Watch Renault's...

no ofence to renult but would help if they had to drivers who can drive well but they only have alonso

LOL :thumbsup:

You asked a question, and I replied...

Wasn't this a new rule for 2009? How were Renault questioning it 2 years ago?

Renault have been caught out in the rules before, for example having a crap engine last year because they thought no updates were allowed over the winter. In return they were then the only team allowed to update engines this winter!

that is a good qustion cus the new rule was for 2009

Rules are published years in advance, especially when they involve a total redesign of the cars like this year.

It's not that easy due to designs of individual team chassis, ie engine and gearbox positions:p

oh good then mybe jenson can bag up enought points to win before other teams catch up and i know this is off topic but do u think next years rule change of most wins will make f1 better or worse

That is not technically true. They knew updates were allowed, but those were only to help teams improve on the reliability. Renault didn't have any issues on this side and so didn't need an update. The problem was, that "some" teams used the updates to gain power, and so renault (and Honda) who had an engine on par with everyone else at the time of the so called engine freeze, found themselves with underpowered units once those other teams finished updating their powerplant. This is why Renault and Honda were allowed to update their engines for this year.

Agree with this, Renault have had one sat waiting to see what the outcome is, im sure it will be in use this weekend

wow its like oople has spys in the f1 world how do u all have so mutch info on renult

renault would still be top if it wasn't for alonso leaving the other year, he alone cost them nearly a years development ;)

Patrick, it's renault not renult:p:p:p

dammm my deslexic spelling lol it will curse me to the death ill just call them the french team as i can spell that

Sorry Fabs, I agree with you on this, what I meant was most teams except them saw the loophole of "make it more reliable, and oops it happens to be faster too", whereas they missed it!

And actually yeah rules were published back in 2006, but there's a big difference between asking "Charlie, can we make our rear crash structure a diffuser", and "Charlie, optimizing the strength/packaging of our rear crash structure has led to a different shape, is this shape ok?".

I just have no sympathy with Renault on this stuff since spygate!

Does this mean the stewards were misleading the world like Hamilton. Makes his hearing a mockery

I know nothing me. I haven't seen the molds yesterday at all :p

im starting to think fabs works for that french team what happend to patritism dont chear them boo them go button

Fabs isn't english, he is a european cocktail :thumbsup:

I wish I was, but sadly not. I just happen to have had a tour yesterday.

And seen as I AM French despite whatever the burger van guy at the NEO said, then patriotism would say I should support Renault (and Ferrari as well and Bourdais / Toro Rosso too...)...

Appar its the redbull and the Ferrari that have the chassis layouts that are not suited to the new diffuser type.

red bull are pretty quick anyway

i know what u mean there fabs other wise i would have to follow lewis and maclrean but i dont and before it gets ugly no i dont have any probs with the french but the one queston u didnt anser is how the f**k do u know so mutch about ren oh the french team do they put it all on a website cus the bbc f1 site dosent have info like this i could use this info and make a killing at the bookies

torro rosso have gone down hill now gear hard bergur has left do u think that is coinsidence lol

When you put your money on would you say "nobody puts renault in the corner"?? :lol:

Haha, there are definately at least one F1 insider contributing to this thread!

When you say Renault (and Honda missed the engine loophole- yes they did really. Sadly for them they were too honest for thier own good and when the FIA said 'give us your engine specs at the end of the Brazil race and they'll be frozen for 4 years unless there are reliability issues', Renault and Honda gave in their engines. Merceedes, Ferrari and BMW all took the latest, but so far unreliable developments, put them in the frozen engine handed that up and then spent 4 months and £££ to make them reliable again but keeping the extra power.

What it proves at the end of the day is that the FIA aren't serious about anything they say in the sport, cutting costs, freezing engines, slowing the cars or increasing overtaking.

And it suits the FIA that Brawn are fast because now they can say that 'look, we made it cheap and privateer teams are beating the big boys'. But no-one is aknowledging that the Brawn was designed by Honda with a massive budget, massive staff, two wind tunnels and a year to design the car. Brawn aren't a privateer. They had all the staff and budget of the full Honda Factory team until two weeks ago. Now the moneys gone and they've lost 275 staff, we can wait and see if/how long they get gobbled up by the people with resources. But they should have the first half of the championship sown up, that that is often enough to coast to the finish.

Th eother 7 teams will have to design and test new floors, new upper bodies (side pod/engine cover), exhausts pipes, ancillary bits and rear wings before they can hope to catch Brawn, and for some teams like Red Bull, they'll also need a different gearbox. £££££££££!!!

Renault will a have one set of the first generation bits this weekend for Fernando, maybe a second set for Nelson if they can finish them in time.
I think they're the first. The other teams are talking about R4 or R5 before they can have thier first generation double deck diffusers.

From what I've heard.........

I don't think Toro Rosso have gone downhill, it's just that they've not had much running with the car and they can't use most of the data from red bull as they've got a totally different engine/gearbox. With a bit of time they'll get it running as quick as the red bull.

there is a bookies bang across road want me to go find out the odds for alonso this week end or the bigger risk him winning the season

Don't make that bet too quick, remember it has been in Renault/Ferrari's interest to play up the speed difference of the diffuser change up to now, might not really be seconds a lap...

true i made one as hope at the very start of season i put a £5 on s.vettal to win the the season as his odds were 500/1 well u never know

i think that £5 would have been better spent on a 4-4 draw in last nights game :lol: