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Well, it was a little strange, but a good result.

Excellent bit of rain!
Shame it was stopped though, would have been nice to see it finish properly.


How good is it not have a single ferrari or mclaren in the top 10 in the points though!!

A great start to the season continues.

:)

Apart from Lewis that is!:)

He's not in the top 10 overall which is what Terry means I think.

I hope Brawn get their new gearbox sorted ASAP, the Honda one isn't working well on the Merc engine.

Yeah, Rubens really seemed to struggle most of the weekend with it...

yeah sounded like button clutch was slipping coming out of the pits one time
great car, did OK in wet to say they have had no wet practice time

How good were those RedBulls in the wet though!!

Amazing!!

Be interesting to see the results from tomorrows FIA meeting.

is that the diffuser issue? I thought cars had to be submitted to the FIA for scrutineering before the season, then any major updates done the same way.

yeah and, from what I know, the cars passed scrutineering but other teams have appealed against it thinking that its unfair because they didn't think of the idea :lol:

yeah for brawn toyota and redbull for there under foil thing

It's quite funny really with all the big professional teams kicking up a fuss because they didn't think of that idea :p

good race though

yes he is, joint 10th with bourdais


PosDriverPoints
1 Jenson Button 15,
2 Rubens Barrichello 10,
3 Jarno Trulli 8.5,
4 Timo Glock 8,
5 Nick Heidfeld 4 ,
5 Fernando Alonso 4
7 Nico Rosberg 3.5
8 Sebastien Buemi 2
9 Mark Webber 1.5
10 Lewis Hamilton1
10 Sebastien Bourdais 1

I know for a fact that Renault asked the FIA months ago if they could do it, and got told they couldn't. It would appear that not every team had the same answer to the same question, which is one good reason to protest...

That's the FIA's fault though, not the other teams!

but if the FIA have approved it, then surely they can't just revoke it, as the diffuser section is quite a complex peice of engineering.....

Once again, the FIA show their incompetence?

As far as I'm aware they're complaining against the FIA and not the teams.

As I said in another thread, it's all the FIA's fault, they shouldn't have left such a loophole in the rules and once identified should have amended the rules to allow or ban the diffusers.

As things stands, there are 6 teams which need to redesign 3/4 of their car in order to make full use of the diffuser, and that costs a lot of money. At a time where the FIA are suposedly reducing the spendings of all the teams, whichever teams will have to change their design to comply with the rules or to be competitive (depending on what is being decided) have every right not to be happy about that...

Well Flavio says they asked if they could do it, but nobody knows if they asked the right question!!! Could mean the same but so badly phrased that the FIA thought the Renault way is not within the regulations. the other teams were just to arrogant a year ago ( http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/...ear-consience/ ). I hope they pay for it, meaning the double / triple diffusers of Brawn / Toyota / Williams remain legal. The FIA hearing will be on the 14th! ...next tuesday. It`s very nice to see this new world order in F1, it`s also nice to see drivers on the podium that actually seem to be happy about it and also seem to like eachother. Aslo drivers who actually have to say something interesting in the press conference!!!

Sepang GP was a excellent race up until the red flag I think. Only Button showing the real potential of his car and himself right before his first pitstop scares me a bit. 1 sec fester than the first non-Brawn car in race spec. Hope Williams, Toyota and Renault catch up! My dream worl championship fight going into the last race would be Button/Alonso/Trulli.

Well I have to disagree! Windtunnel / CFD development is limited, so it makes no difference money wise if you develop a new diffuser or the 100th version of a rear wing. They always us 100% of their resources, so the cost argument is just crap. Anyway just bolting the new floor on will not do it! The whole concept of the car has to be changed as people with knowledge have said. Don`t believe the stupid things Briatore / Horner / Dr. Marko have to say about it......

Why you disagree, you just said exactly the same as me, in different wording.

There is a difference in cost if you make 10 Wings or if you make a New Car... And in the meantime you're not optimising your package, which is what the other teams are doing. You might as well throw the season away and start working on next year's car...

maybe the problem with F1.... to many rules, to complex too, so it is easy to find loop-holes, if you employ an engineering lawyer to disect the rules and find the 'grey' areas.

It is interesting reading, about Ferrari, and they are thinking that there KERS system might well be hindering their car, with a smaller fuel load, and a higher fuel tank, due to the location of the battery pack. Others are saying that the extra weight of the KERS and it's placement, is making the cars more unstable under braking, due to weight placement, and how it affects the engine braking effects too.

You`re right there is a difference in cost of 10 wings and a new car, what I ment was they will always spend what they have. So the overall spending will not increase because of the diffuser. As for staying behind because the "3" will also develop, well that`s F1, they had the chance to clarify the rules a year ago (see the link I posted) and didn`t take it. putting that season in the bin and concentrating on next years car will not always work! First you can`t just abonden a season, there a lot of sponsorship commitments that would rather see some definite podiums / points this year as some "maybe" wins next year. Brawn were not just great, but also a bit lucky. They could simulate the laptimes they would achieve this year, but they could have never predicted the other cars performences until those cars hit the track in january. Just take a look at BMW, they tried to concentrate on the 2009 car quite a bit earlier than usual, and where are they? exactly where they were last year!

Well everything surrounding KERS is quite interesting, but it`s also one of F1`s biggest mistakes. They made the teams develop a system, then when the money was spent, they decide it`s all for the bin as they `ll have to use the standard KERS 2010. What a joke. I hope Williams gets their quite different system up and running as soon as possible, and it`s a shame we never saw the Honda system in action :cry:

But if some teams asked if they could do it and got told no they can't and others got told they can, then it's got nothing to do with a proposed rule change. And you can understand that those teams who were told they can't do it aren't happy at all because they wouldn't be where they are if the FIA had been consistent in its replies.

Besides Brawn only proposed it to FOTA which is not the organisation that votes the rules. As I understand it, they can only word their opinion on what the rules are and propose changes, but it's ultimately the FIA that writes and votes the rules.

Flywheel KERS... I can't see it working that well to be honest, there'll be massive gyroscopic effect from it...

as I understand, the Williams Kers is pretty compact....

The smaller it is, the faster it'll have to spin, more gyroscopic effect...

true true and true...But as I said before, we don`t know the exact wording Renault, RedBull used! We will probably never know and that`s the pitty, wichever way the FIA decides next week, the controversy will go on.

The beauty of the massive rulechange is, everything is massively different. Totally different concepts in every aspect. That`s also the reason I want to see the Williams flywheel KERS on track, as I understand Honda was going to use a similar system by mid-season, starting the season with a "standard" one.

Fabs, you don't know how each question was worded? What about Ferrari's wing mirrors? Same issue. The problem is the rules, but do you really think it's fair to punish Brawn by removing their points? Afterall, only Renault were allowed an engine redesign this winter!!

P.S. The 3 diffuser teams are the three teams who didn't take part in writing the rule, and didn't have preconceptions about what it intended nut just read it, worth bearing that in mind!

Depends on weight, it is bloody dangerous potentially though!

The danger is another thing. Could the flywheel be behind the drivers head?



I know it should be save, but we never know what an accident could do. Let`s hope we`ll never get to know.

Very true, we don't know what wording has been used, but the fact remains the same, and I think you'll agree with me there:

WE DIDN'T NEED this sort of controversy at the start of the season and the rules as they are at the moment are rubbish.

Oh and the FIA should have clarified things once and for all right away...

Ha ha because having 15 kg or so of LIPOs under the drivers seat isn't dangerous? Imagine what happens ii they get damaged in the event of a crash.. Well we've seen the smoke pouring in raikonnen's cockpit in malaysia, these are toxic fumes, ouch... :thumbdown:

hmmm, a spinning disk, rotating really has, horizontally, right behind the drivers neck.... hope it got a thick Kevlar shroud then... otherwise we will have some headless drivers!!!

I think it will be ok if they are on the BRCA list and have a hard bonded casing :lol:

That smoke would have been the fire extinguisher, you could see if coming out the back too as it goes around the engine.

Exactly, you could also see Raikkonen switch it on on the straight. Safety issue nonetheless, he should have pulled right over, for his own sake.

Yeah I actually meant more dangerous to a fan or marshal etc if the flywheel detachs in an accident, both types are pretty dangerous to anyone in/touching the car, butthe flywheel more so to others.

Don't the fire extinuisher come on automaitcally when it detects faults/fire/smoke?
Sure that they said that it was the battery melting which caused most of the smoke. Nice! Kimi was probably hitting the radio buton, telling the team that he couldn't breathe!

Regarding the rear difuser, I can't see them banning it now. Not unless they let the teams keep their points. It was passed by the FIA before the season, then at Aussie, then at malaysia...and the teams' original protest was thrown out by the FIA.

Basically, the other designers have got the arse on because they didn't think of it, and know how far into the season its going to be before they get one on their cars themselves.

if they ban it now what are the teams using it going to do, Can they develope a replacement within time for the next race. The way its going now it will end up the Fia giving all the teams the same standard body and letting them fit the mechanics

Kimi,s car smoking http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/7981019.stm about 30 seconds in