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X-Factory
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Building my X5
I am just building my X-5 and i have got to the point of fitting the rear bumper which fits but the rear brace does not it falls off :eh?:
I know there is no mention of the brace in the instructions but it was included in the kit and I feel it is needed on there or is it not ????? Help please i was very happy with the build up to this point the transmition is as free as a bird :) |
you can buy BK1 rear hinge pins which will keep the brace on the car using E clips. Or you can do a few other things;
1/ Bend the brace slightly, this will keep it in place, but isnt a 100% bullet proof solution 2/ buy the atomic carbon rear brace which is alot thicker, blinger and wont fall off and needs no mods. |
Thanks so X-Factory don't expect you to fit the brace then ?
Ill search my spares box and try to find some hing pins with clips to secure it i feel it need somthing :mad: X-Faxtory have let there kit down here i feel and the fact you don't get the front b4 brace, and the X-Factory Mod screws to secure the front hub carriers was also not included which i fell should have been :( My wife Bought me the Full kit for Xmas and i feel she has paid over the odds for what you get ....... But i LOVE IT:) |
I use old shock shafts instead of the stock hingepins. I use the e-clip to retain the brace and had no problems since.
Blame a poor design from Losi, not X-Factory. |
Hi,
The whole brace thing on the back is exactly the same as on the XX4 as you're using all XX4 parts except the chassis which is identical at the very back to the Losi one. As Gayo says, blame Losi ;) To back up what Paul says, use XXX (doesn't have to be the BK1 ones) rear inner hinge pins and you can fit an e-clip on either end, I did this when I built mine and they have never come off so my nice blue brace still looks good as new :) The front brace is the B2/B3 one not B4 one. Our local club shop guy did have some for £1.50 I think, I can send you one at cost if you like, will see him next on 7th Jan. In fairness to Chazz, I don't believe he claims to include any of the new parts with the X5 kit. I built my current car from a complete kit from Chazz at the start of the year and it's still practically like new. Obviously I've replaced a few things over the year but a new built X5 should last ages! Any other questions about the build, let us know on here. Where do you race? |
Thanks i have sorted the rear brace out there is a slight difference at the rear of the car , The rear of the chassie Tub does not have the added lugs on it like the losi chassie has so the hing pin if slid all the way forword to the tub allowes the rear brace to just fall off.....
I have now cured this by sticking 2 spacers to the rear of the tub keeping the pin back a little so the rear brace is far enough back for it not to fall off..... I know Chazz does not mention the new parts included in the kit i just assumed it would be up to date Great Car i agree:mad: Any idea where i can get diff outdrive protectors from i have 2 nice shinny silver ones and would like 2 more to match for the front ?? I Race at Ipswich new track and hopfuly going to do some of the local Essex / Suffolk tracks in the summer |
I am at the next stage now and the rear drive shafts seem to short i have done as instructed are the instructions out of date if i move the outer hinge pin into the inside hole it looks like it will be fine
Or have i missed somthing here ????? |
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Don't know they are the arms suppled in the X-Factory full car kit i assumed they were xx4 .......
No i just checked my packet of spare XX4 rear arms no they are not xx4 what are BK2 arms????? |
Losi only sell the BK2 wishbones which are identical but have an extra hole out for the VLA on the BK2. So you cannot use that hole with the stock XXCR hubs which the XX4 comes with.
If you tried to use wider driveshafts to make it fit it would no longer fit in the box, so would not be BRCA legal. I believe you can now use the XXX CR hubs on the X5, but I haven't tried this so have no idea how you fit them. I have left the extra holes one previously but have heard they can catch on certain types of wheels, not sure which ones. You can of course cut/file/dremmel them off. Ref the chassis question, you're absolutly right, I forgot about those extra bits. I'd forgot cos everyone does as you have done and just stick a couple of bits of plastic on if you're running the stock hinge pins. If you get some longer pins it should still all fit fine with them left on. Ref the diff, I assume you are going to run a plastic diff in the back and front then? I can only suggest checking ebay or Losi now do new outdrives with a thin drive ring already on them, I don't use these. However don't dismiss running the steel diff in the back. I noticed that Tricky and Ellis ( 1 and 2 overall at nationals last year!!!!) both run Steel diffs in the back almost EVERYWHERE. When I noticed this I ran it at Telford national and the 1 time I've run my X5 indoors and am sure I prefer it. They may run it for the binding of the driveshafts against the steel diff, but I prefer the car with a little more weight in the rear, heance I deliberatly run the receiver and transponder at the back, either side behind the rear. Transponder is always a handout one, mounted on its side on a peice of lexan bent into an L shape and taped to the tranny tunnel. Here's a pic of my car from a while back. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6..._dan/NewX5.jpg HTH Dan |
Here's another ic actually
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../newwiring.jpg As I say, you cannot buy the old XX wishbones anymore, hence I guess Chazz now has to supply the kit with the BK2 ones. |
if you have two sets of holes for the hear hindge pin than they are bk2 rears. they also fit the xxx, xxx4, xx4 and the X5. on the X5 you use the inside hole. the xxx-cr in EA3 compound would only have one set of holes that would fit the X5 just fine. Losi only makes the arms you have in graphite anymore. one size fits all.......
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Dan where do you get those great looking cell straps the brown thing that comes with the X5 just is not going in my car i know it will do the job but i don't want people to take the micky out of my new ride :p I did read somwhere about using Cat hold downs but i cant find any of them Yours look well good ????? I want some !!!!!!!! |
They are indeed the Schumacher ones, still available from anywhere. I believe the part# is U744 but will try to look out the header card to confirm. The plastic 4 cell strap is very good on the X5, but I prefer the Schumacher one on the 2 cell side, then put the other one purely to match.
I have seen people make up almost factory looking straps from other things, see here for ideas http://eraprise.com/4wdrcbb/viewtopi...8f312c0a73c9f0 Dan |
Yep Dan you are right that was the part number i have just orded mine you have made me very happy Cheers:)
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Nearly there looking like a buggy now motor servo reciver all installed just the ESC to go :)
I have Just found a bad with 4 small square bits of plastic in about 10mm x 7mm where do they go i seem to have missed somthing , I have been though the manual again but can't find them anywhere & also the 2 flat plastic bits rounded one end with a hole in them seem to be left on my work bench are these to give kickup / squat ????? :confused: hopfuly ill post a pic tommorow time permiting ..... |
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Agreed, the wedges go under the front screws of the rear toe in blocks if you want more anti squat, or under the back if you want less.
I also can't think what the other bits are, defo need a picture! |
i glued one of those square plastic bits onto the chassis so that the rear hingepins couldn't slide forward. One on each side. That stopped the rear hingepine brace from falling off
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You can fit the XXXcr hubs and wishbones as a straight fit but they need to be done at the same time. |
I Know its just like any other X-5 But this one is mine ;) |
Finaly pictures of the posh pig Trev, hope your happy with the new car!! Wish I was racing with you guys this weekend so that I could see how the buggy goes compared to my new one, just have to wait for another meeting soon.
Have fun |
Looks great!
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She went great today on her first test run to loosen the diffs check the slipper ect all adjusted ready for the weekend only 4 slight problems
1 . Running the rear links in a bottom hole the ends rub on the Diff outdrive savers .... 2 . The front savers (not in the pic) are brand new and dont allow the front suspention to have free movement as they are trapping the end of the dog-bone Should i sand the inside of the diff outdrive a fraction to stop this or will it wear free in a couple of practice laps Sunday ???? 3 . To stop the belt skipping on power it feels a bit tight to me is there a good rule of thumb i know with my Touring Cars if you can twist the belt 1 turn its good if you know what i mean 4 . She is Currently sitting in the Garage smelling of Disinfectant as i hit the biggest PILE OF DOG MESS in the world at full speed ( Not Good ) :( But all in all i love her |
Hey, the new X-5 is looking really good!!
1... I have never heard of that before, mine have about 2mm clearance. Is the diff sitting as low as it should? 2... Sand the end of the dogbone slightly. You may also have to file the wishbone as I found these touch when suspension fully compressed. 3... the belt should be tight enough, so when you push the layshaft over the corner of the chassis with the belt around it, it shouldn;t need a lot of force, but be slight resistance. 4... YUCK!! try to avoid the poo next time! |
I haven’t got my car in front of my but,
1) I’ve never had this problem, or even close I don’t think. Having said that the magic setup only ever uses the outside hole, which is quite far out. Looking at this picture http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/reviewx5/rears.jpg you should be able to use the furest out, or next one in and have no problems, even with savers on. 2) I did have this (but on the rear), I preferred to let them wear into each other for the best fit if you know what I mean. I always ensure the first run on any car is at a non competitive event where you can have a proper ‘shake down’. Diffs, slipper, tranny settings, basic handling and setup etc can all be sorted in a handful of runs. Then the next time you use it it’s all sorted and you can have confidence to thrash it. 3)The tension is not as easy to adjust as say the xxx4, where you had the long arm of the tensioner to get accurate settings. Chris’ method is very good. In a pinch I have another method. Slacken both tensioner screws, and slide the tensioner to the max tension you can hold with just the force of the driver in the screw head, then do it up. This will be somewhere near. To get this more accurate, you need to mark the exact position of one of the screws on the chassis, then take the tension off the belt (diff or slipper assy out), back one screw off and the other slightly so you can just move it fractions each time. Once you’ve found the belt tension after a few runs (belts do stretch a fraction), you can leave it like that for ages cos anything else you need to work on, doesn’t involve taking the tensioner out HTH |
Hopfuly problems resolved cheers Guys
I could not use the outside hole for the rear camber link as the Rod was to long that was supplyed in the kit this is why i have moved it in one hole , If i move it up a hole it would not touch but i tryed to keep it as close to the kit setup as i could It only just touches you can't see it with the naked eye but there is a shiny line appeared on the outdrive saver ....... Giving her her first run tomorow on Carpet as it looks like it will be to wet at my local club so it will be new for the car and new for me having never raced a buggy on carpet , Last time i raced on Carpet was a Losi xxx-s Touring car 5 years ago when they first came out ........... Ill report back as to how my new dream Buggy goes i know i will be up against a new Tam 501 so it will be interesting as to who comes out on top ;) as the Tam driver is a local driver on the carpet .............. |
Well first Shake down day completed at a local track i have never been to where they race on Carpet a serface i have never ran a Buggy on befor and its been 6 years since i raced a TC on carpet also here is how it went blow for blow
Heat 1 practice Buggy felt good kept going for the full 5 mins but smoking when i came off Motor Fried Arm and Comm ( 19 Turn Probably geared wrong Small track 12 sec laps geared at 8.2 ish ) Damage done Just the motor thank god Heat 2 Quali one ,Installed a 12 Double Mod motor wow she was great i was running Second doing a very good time then about 4 mins into the Heat BANG The motor through a wind 3/4 way down the straight flat out ( Looked Good ) Damage done Motor Finished and so much heat produced it melted the chassie next to the motor Heat 3 Quali Two Ran the old XX4 Brushless ( No good just did not feel the same as the X5 ) Heat 4 Final Quali Installed an old 19 turn motor geared about 9ish and hey presto Qualifyed 2dn in the A Final Great Felt good Two finals followed where overall i came 2nd and 3rd being beaten by an Academy SB V2 & a XX4 the Academy winning Both Finals..... But the Real Story of the day was the battle between the X5 and the new Tamiya 501x & i have to say the X5 won hands down Yes the 501 is a good looking car and the best lap times of the 2 cars were the same the X5 was more consistat even with the 501 being driven by a local track expert........... Conclusion from the day the X-5 great car but also is the Tamiya and who can forget the Academy which won both finals But he is a better driver than me and he also had new tyres which gave him great grip levels where as my old mini pins were hard and had seen better days Can't wait for the next race meet to come by which time i will have installed the 106 tooth spur gear to give me a better gear ratio chioce ( Packed everything bar the kitchen sink today but for got the spur gears ) |
ok then Big T, Ill give you that one, the X5 did look good going round and yes the laptimes were the same to within .5sec of each other. I am not sold on the X5 though as it does look odd, but as you said one mans odd is another mans cool!!
However having run 3 cars today, 501X, loverly car, but need firming up on the suspension side and some mini pins and a bigger gear to make it better suited to the surface. Predator, very fast, looked good going round but had a tendancy to loose corners every race, doh!!!! B4 with burshless, I dont think that I have grinned that much in ages, and the fastest lap of all by 2 secs. Now I cant wait till the next meeting of the posh pig and 501X, maybe on dirt next time with some brushless power???? |
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