RZ6 conversion kit coming soon
 

The RZ6 conversion kit is coming soon and available to pre-order on the link below

The kit will include everything needed to convert your RB6 buggy into the RZ6 forward motor car as raced by Jared Tebo at the Worlds in Japan last year

http://www.pbmracing.co.uk/products/...on-Kit-UMW730/

Is that the confirmed RRP?

A conversion kit, for 280 holes, thanks Kyosho, i needed a chuckle this evening!

Lee

It's like 2012 all over again :thumbsup:

or 2013: http://www.oople.com/forums/showpost...86&postcount=1
take your pick.

Haha, too true Neal, we just went back in time!

Lee

......still the best layout for high traction though... Bit of a joke for that price, should be a full kit.

Did it win the worlds? Has it won an EOS round? Has it won a recent UK national, or any other significant carpet/astro race?

If it was the best, it would have won or would be continuing to win current races. The Worlds was an oddity, and speaking with drivers that were there, it was nothing like the sort of high traction we run here in the UK.

I recall Tebo being interviewed on liverc about it at the Worlds, and he was very indifferent (read not happy) about the new Kyosho motor forward chassis, so reverted back to the car he had been testing with on a private carpet track, and had to choose the one he was going to run/stick with. He didn't seem happy with either chassis TBH.

I'm sure a few will be sold though, whatever the price.

It is a comprehensive conversion kit, one that allows you to convert an existing rb6 to a rz6, without having to rob parts of your zx6 (if you have one), and it does come with some nice to have parts (in the law 50 gear diff) that on their own are very expensive. Although it is (ludicrously) expensive for a conversion kit, it still is better value than the db2 based on what is included and uses parts of the current 4wd so better for your pit box too.
So yes, it will sell to the existing fanBase, like the db1 and db2 have.(very unlikely it will draw new people to the brand).
I personally don't really get on with the type of car on anything other that really high grip,I also think that the lay down transmission cars are a lot more versatile and don't really give that much away (if anything) on very high bite.
So it is unlikely that I'll be getting one, (I'll wait for the lay down car and make do with what I've already got).I don't like having to have multiple 2wd cars to suit different tracks and improving my driving skill is going to give me more than a faster car.
My main disappointment with this is that it seems a bit like a last minute panic move to launch a faster high grip car, to satisfy the need/desire of some markets, but still took 6 months after the worlds and for the UK it's coming in a little late for the outdoor season (time to get used to a new car before hitting the track on regionals/nationals), and after all this time the result is a conversion kit, not a car...
No doubt it will sell, and in the hands of fast drivers, it'll do well though.

Just my opinion on the physics of the layouts. It has the lowest levels of longitudinal powertrain inertia reaction.

It is quite expensive but Kyosho quality is second to none. When you work out how many conversions/versions some of the other manufacturers have had in the time the RB6 has been out it actually works out to be pretty good value!

Couldn't have said it better myself Mark :thumbsup::

Neil.... The car Tebo ran at the worlds was a prototype car.. So not available to anyone else to run so you can't really say that's it's not won races or appeared at eos etc... Even at those races Kyosho haven't really had any of there top drivers there? The car is quite abit different to db2 etc anyway, ally chassis no top decks...

Your a die hard yokomo fan anyway and I can tell your jealous :woot:

Lovers and haters :)

Its the car Tebo TQ the worlds with and finished second overall.
The only reason its been released is due to demand from customers.

If its not your cup of tea go on your own thread and bang on about how good you car is and where it finished at the worlds ;-)

I wouldnt say "haters" entirely Neil, its a seriously cool little weapon, and im 100% it would be epic at my club too, for me im just a bit taken back with the way they have tried to market it, not as a full kit, but a very overpriced option, albeit, very cool and high in quality.
Hey, ill maybe sit back and wait till they get discounted like most other Kyosho kits, then I may be tempted to bag an RB6 too, and dip a toe in, bet it will be rapid.
Looking forward to seeing some built and raced though :thumbsup:

lee

regardless of quality that's an expensive conversion

I will Rephrase then.

Lovers and Dislikers lol!!!

Its funny the diggers on here though.
You can't moan about Kyosho Quality or performance so its easy to moan about price!!!
I don't think any brand has cheap cars, great quality and performance.
you cant really get a perfect balance of the 3. Any product out of Japan is not going to be cheap sorry to say. Kyosho been going for 50 years plus and its always been the same situation, get over it please! its getting boring.
And as i say this thread is for kyosho lovers not dislikers so move along please!
If you don't like price buy something cheap and tell everyone about how good it is on the relevant thread. :wub

I always thought the spirit of oople was an open discussion on topics, both sides of the debate. You seem to be trying to censor the thread. Just to be clear, Kyosho don't run this forum or thread and I'll post what I want as long as it's not offensive. I actually like the car, just think it's a bit pricey.

Im not aimed at you specifically.
its just normal trash talk i get tired of about price of Kyosho.
Its like me i ride a cheap £120 mountain bike, done thousands of miles on it, it does what i want although gear changes are not good. But then why would i go onto Orange or Specilazed forum saying how expensive all those bikes are compared to my cheapy, I just don't see the point other than to cause some arguments!
Lets be positive! not negative we all got a price and quality we expect and are willing to pay for. so go promote your fav brand in a positive way.
I have been answering the same argument about Kyosho price for 10 years its tiring.
Peace and Love!

How very apt! And i agree, I wont be told to move on, or be censored by any fanboy, its just interesting, and a little bit odd they chose this route and pricepoint, a £600 2wd buggy, times they are a changin' a great poet once said lol!

Lee

You say it's pricey but consider this, back in 2006 Atomic carbon released the S4 which carried a price tag of £700 and people bought them because they were a no compromise kit, much the same as the RZ6 is likely to be.

When the Durango 410 was released at the back end of 2009 that was £450+ for a 4wd car.

Remember when the RB6 first came out i think it was one of the first 2wd cars to break the £300 threshold and no-one complained, as that price is now considered the norm for a car.

lets not forget about the cost of X-Factory and Vega conversions added to the original cost of a donor car the list just goes on.

As Insideline Models are doing the RB6 for £259 with the conversion it will cost a little over £500 not £600 as some have suggested.

I think it is a good thing that there will now be even more choice of cars available.

So just asking, why is £300 considered the norm, and Kyosho pull this one?
Serious question and food for thought, is it just capitalising on its worlds astro performance?
Im not bagging on the car, Neil has me all wrong, im boggled why it has to be sold this way!
And lets face it, if it doesnt sell in the numbers Kyosho expect, itll see the massive cuts the ZX6 kit got not so long back!
Im no stranger to costly cars BTW, so thats just petty jabbing, that i dont mind, a distributor will always defend what he thinks is right, which is admirable!

Lee

Let's face it, it's clearly aimed at people that already have an RB6. Maybe Kyosho have missed a trick here in not selling it as a conversion or full kit for another 60 or 70 quid. Look at when the KF first came out, it was a fairly expensive car then there was the shorty conversion, the low grip conversion etc. so it's nothing new

Spot on, launch this as a full car for £350 to £370 ish, great idea, hell they could hold back the wheels lol!
And there are bound to be further tuning options that Kyosho can further make money off, designating it to a target audience of curent RB6 owners, seems a bit narrow minded or elitist, anyway, i look forward to seeing some in action!

Lee

As people have already said this car is aimed at RB6 owners?? What they have been calling for... Alot in the USA as well...

All you would need if you didn't own an RB6 is just the front end parts and shocks...rear wishbones and hubs.. So I'm sure you could pick those up at a good price... Even a second hand RB6 would be a good idea?

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Got to admit I think they have missed a trick by not making it a full kit for say £340-£350. It might of tempted some more people to try Kyosho out as a brand who haven't before. I've ran a DB2 and know how good that car is, so I'm sure the RZ6 will be top quality and good performer.

I see, so if the car is aimed at RB6 owners, Kyosho dont want new members into its 2wd fold i gather, and would rather price them out in not offering a non elitist kit?
Id buy this in a heartbeat at £350 +, but in its current guise, its plain ridiculous, and lets not bag on about quality, there is quality abound in this day and age, sort yourselves out Kyosho lol!


Lee

That conversation price will be too much for some, me included and will really put people off. I am sure there will be people out there who are prepared to spend £500 plus on a 2wd and I sincerely hope they do so when that are done with it and it comes up for sale on Oople I can buy it for half the price it cost them. I totally get Neil Skull defending Kyoshos decision to make a conversion only and sell it at that price but I am sure even he knows it's a big price for what it is.

wonder which of them he runs?
i had a Kyosho Rb6 for 3 years and was a very very good car and i had the DB1 and the DB2 and they were not all that great but looked nice.
this maybe a good car by all accounts and price shouldnt put people off really as if you buy a yoko you have to spend £400 on upgrades

You dont have to spend £400 on upgrades for a Yokomo at all, :rolleyes: thats as bad as saying they break front arms at the drop of a hat, revise your subject matter, its more like £250 on upgrades :p

Lee

So you buy a kit for £300.00 then spend another £250.00

There's my point

So I gather the RZ6 wont have upgrades, itll be the be all and end all from the box? Its already missing the nice Tebo towers. Theres my point, its still expensive :)

Lee

Will tebo towers make it any better tho?

My point is no matter what people spend money on kits no matter how good they are or are not out off the box and to be honest I don't think £500-£600 is a car is expensive

You have some really nice cars you know what I am saying that bottom line really we spend that much money on these things is it really any different from buying a kit and then spending money on it

I do tho agree with you in part think should be a full kit but I would still pay the money for it

I think were both in half agreement then buddy, i do see your point on OOB kits and additional upgrades, lord knows ive spent a ton on my recent cars!
If the RZ6 is really going to be the mutts, its gonna sell, hell id love one, it does look one polished and refined piece of kit, but not just yet, lets see how she goes at club levels maybe :thumbsup:

Lee

Going to be honest I buy kits because I love building them I have 7 never even been out of the house.
I do think I will give one a try but just bought my X-ray have waited along time for them to come out to be honest and as per I have bought everything you can but to be honest isn't going to improve my driving I jaust like my car to look nice as per some of yours thT Tamyia must stand you at a none refundable fortune

It goes with the hobby I am lucky I have everything I want and a very good job but I buy things to build them that's were the fun is for me.
I can see it being a good car but think if someone doing it on bugdet they shouldn't buy one unless they have a rb6 which in it self is a great car.
Tebo could drive a Tamyia lunchbox and it go well the fine lines at the top are all about on the day I think

The adage of it being about the driver is perfectly true, but the second point definitely isn't. There are some drivers who click with certain cars better than others, and some just have their off days, but development in motorsport happens for a reason. A lot of people are overly cynical about the effect of the smallest of improvements, but if you are a driver at the very top, the car needs to be at its very best too.

Take Ronnefalk for example - the D216 certainly doesn't skimp anywhere on quality, and David is a world class driver, but the car just doesn't have the pace. It's definitely not an "on the day" thing, it shows that Hot Bodies, or what's left of them, need to do some drastic work to get the platform up to pace. Yokomo's last YZ-2 updates at Muelheim Kaerlich, although minor, meant they could absolutely dominate proceedings from start to finish.

It's important to not confuse the two concepts. A world class driver with a budget car would definitely be able to get it working and beat the vast majority of people on a club day. That's why they do it as their job - they are the best in the world. However, a world class driver surrounded by other world class drivers is a different matter. When every driver is on such an even keel in terms of skill, shaving half a tenth off your lap is a big deal. Every manufacturer is looking for that extra improvement, be it a second or a tenth of a second.

I remember marshaling at one of the Nationals a couple of years back, and as Lee Martin's Vega came by me, a tiny little brass weight dropped out of it. I picked it up and it had "1.5g" written on it. To your average club driver, such a small weight increase would be nothing. To a top driver, that might just make the difference between a very good car and a perfect one.

Very well put Felix!

Although not a great advert for LMR tape :lol:

That's a joke by the way... LMR tape is very good

Back to my point though the average racer who like s to buys new kits or the rb6 owners this is a perfect kit to try.
KYOSHO are a very good brand and I am sure this will be a good value for money car.

Hence it looks like im caving in and looking for a pristine RB haha, i dont dig hybrids, so its a big step for me, but it must speak volumes, as this is the only one that gives me an itch i have to scratch lol!

Lee

If I had not just bought a xray xb2 then I would not be far behind you although I won a brandnew kit in the raffle on Sunday and thinking my misses wouldn't know the difference lol

You don't spend any money on upgrades on the YZ-2 as we are talking about 2wd cars. you buy the kit and run it. It's a great performing car out the box, and a well specked full car at that, for less than this conversion.
Some seem to be confusing the 2wd and 4wd Yokomo cars. there is no issue with weak front arms, or any part of the 2wd car. The 4wd benefits from the new front arms however.