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Worlds
Been little said on here, so what do we all think so far, great to see Neil right up at the top,what happened in the yokomo camp? Elliot Boots winning the B!
I still don't like the track, I think it quite funny that the yokomo sponsored venue at the last min screwed in some rubber strips, that the yokomo cars hated:lol:. Most people in the uk who have raced astro for some time Know that random sharp obstacles in fast astro just don't work Whole load of cars that are possibly prototype or just one off for the worlds, towels over cars in the pits, serpent using a Durango,AE not even letting press in there pit area Hmmm all very 90's I'm not sure how the atmosphere is track side things seem a bit tight in all the coverage But you have to take your hat off to the USA boys, take them right out of their comfort zone and they still manage to fill the podium |
A lot being said on Rc Tech, all the Us racers still kicking off that the worlds is on astro, dummy's all over the place!
But its all change now the US locked out the podium! Typical yanks eh Well done to all, those strips did not look nice at all, tough track! |
I was a little underwhelmed by track when I first saw it but it has produced some good racing. The black strips are just wrong - almost like they laid track out and thought that side of track was a bit featureless so chucked the trips down. Hope they get rid of them for 4wd.
Shocked at the lack of Yokomo performance (I appreciate Lee making the A is huge achievement and not trying to take anything away from that but can't believe he went there without higher hopes), imagine they will be going for it big time in 4wd. Seems like the resources and experience of Associated overcame any lack of astro experience - wonder how different the team cars were to kit B5Ms and if we will see a Worlds version with any major changes? Rob |
Agree with above, I was looking forward to following the UK lads and still have a bit but for the track to be a Worlds track is a bit naff. Its nothing better than Worksop put on for one of their rounds. Although its very neat and tidy, dont people expect to see a flash dirt track?? Those black strips are a terrible idea too!!
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The track is an absolute joke for a world championship.
It feels like an indoor worlds and not a real one, IMO. |
Look back to the '89, '91, '93 Worlds to see some "proper" tracks..!:lol:
Bit like F1, the modern tracks are too artificial IMO. Why is everyone surprised that Associated are doing well..? They are, after all, the most successful Team..:thumbsup: |
The track looks eos or eir style .
So not my idea for a worlds . I Still beleve in a multi surface track for that sort off races . and asso has a great car for hich grip |
I agree with everything that's been said and the black strips take away from the flow of the track - I fully agree with all of that.
However, as with all tracks from your local club to the world championships - the track is equally as bad for everyone racing. The worthy champion was the driver who was able to set his car up to deal with those strips without having to compromise too much elsewhere. Yes, the strips shouldn't have been there, but why did some drivers adapt well and other didn't? I think I personally would have struggled with those strips and I'd be coming home from japan wanting to do some testing on similar so that I know exactly what to do next time. Rivkins car handled the strips very well, as did Cragg's. But Tebo's wasn't great, nor was Maifield's. Rivkin beat those guys on the day, worthy champion in my eyes. |
I like the old school dirt tracks. Astro's boring in comparison.
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I think it's been a very interesting worlds, mainly due to the number of manufactures that have accepted that their std car was lacking for high grip astro. What will be even more interesting is to see what those same manufactures do in the next 3 months - i.e will those cars make it into production.
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I think that Team C and Schumacher can give themselves a pat on the back for being the 2 biggest manufacturers pushing the forward motor 2wd platform and proving that it works on high grip. So much so that manufacturers that dont have a model with that functionality have taken prototypes to the worlds
Tebo was essentially running a DB2 Even losi was running a 3 gear high grip concept car. Nice to see a young up and comer take the top spot though. slightly disapointed by lee's performance as i'm sure he is as well. but still a good show to get into the A at the worlds Craig Collinson did well too by getting in the C final, which is a massive achievement over all I think as a nation we can be proud of our lads performance regardless of who they drive for. 4wd should be fun to watch |
The 5-Spice was placed there to stop cars being dropped to the floor completely, which would've only fueled the "if it's not on dirt it's not off road" debate. A horrible way to do it, but it was a section that really did reward precision. At least everyone was in the same boat. As far as the rest of the track goes, I love it. Fast, flowing, no mickey mouse corners to be found.
Rivkin winning with such an incredible story is absolutely superb. I think it's an event that many will look back upon as a classic - unpredictability everywhere, a massive fight between superstars at the front, and a young underdog coming through to snatch it. It has everything you could wish for - and we're only halfway through it all. In terms of manufacturer performance, I've been keeping tabs on a few things: Associated - The A-team cars have a pre-production gearbox from the AE factory, whilst the B-team are running a slightly tweaked Reds gearbox - hence why we won't be seeing any off-body shots of the winning car. Even though they're a team steeped in success with a superb lineup, I don't think anyone was expecting such dominance. It surprised me, at least. Kyosho - The RZ6 looks nice. Very DB2-esque, but some American Kyosho fans on social media have been horrified by it - it's worth stepping back and realising that cars we're used to in the UK look completely alien in most other countries. Durango - Another 2WD front/4WD rear hybrid. Didn't set the world on fire, but I doubt it will for a while. Getting faster, one to watch. Serpent - A similar story to Durango - wasn't amazing to start with, but started to find its feet as the event went on. Another one to watch very closely. Schumacher - Strong showing from all, but just a bit unlucky in the end. I don't think there was anything left on the table overall. The K2 should be an interesting one to keep tabs on as we go into 4WD though. Team C - A nice showing. Considering they don't have a star-studded international line up like some of the other teams, I think they bagged some exceptionally good results. Hot Bodies - The D2 is clearly a very dirt-focused car, so without any kind of low gearbox it was always going to struggle. Still needs a lot of work to bring it up to pace. Yokomo - As surprising as AE's dominance was Yokomo's complete lack of pace. Lee did a stunning job to drag himself into such a tight A Final. |
Its a shame that the 5 spice black strips seemed to upset the yokomo cars the most!
....oh and I am not a fan of the mini kones which added nothing to the corners. Apart from those two silly features... I really liked the track layout :) |
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Would you buy a Serpent after that? Doesn't fill you with confidence when their own guys use someone else's car!
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I'm even more surprised that Serpent allowed it to happen. :thumbdown:
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I think what was the shame about the 5-spice is from the track walk it seem to have been a last minute bodge as they suddenly realised they had a touring car track with smooth down ramp jumps so rushed out and screwed some rubber strips down to force the racers to set some ride hight, thats not what you would expect of a worlds class venue.
I think the great shame of this world's is in the building next door has a world renowned dirt track, that would have been great for hmm lets see….running a world class meeting on? A bright green track with bright orange and white dots marking corners and orange road cones looking like it's straight from a Nintendo screen is just not right for what is supposed to be the most important 10th OFF ROAD event in the world this year.I just can't see the sense:thumb down: It will be interesting to see how many cars filter through,Will they look at the world wide demand for the chassis they have created for this meeting and find its not worth the manufacturing costs the B5 already has rear and mid versions. How many forward motor or multiple gear transmission 2wd cars sell outside of Europe? I think we will see more production 4wd's but what if serpent don't run the new car, that would be a laugh |
I'm not sure how you can conclude that it was a rush job to put the strips in place! I agree it would have been better with another jump type feature, but at the end of the day, that was the track builders choice. I don't like them any more than anyone else, but I can kind of see their logic.
btw, actually, in the building next door is an astro turf track! A track that has seen it's use go through the roof with locals compared to the amount of use the dirt track was getting. |
Yer I understand, I just hate astro:lol: I did see some photos of that some time ago, didn't know they had left it like that, maybe they should have used it
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I don't like to see people dismissing the work of everyone involved. It's a world class venue with world class organisers, who've given us a world class track which has provided world class racing. The actual surface is largely irrelevant - what's important is it's a track with sufficient surface complexity. The way in which the astro has been laid means that even on the flat stuff, there are pronounced shifts in grip levels, much like you'd find on a typical dirt track that's been weather affected. Granted, the layout is much smoother than the astro track next door, but flowing high-grip blue groove circuits are also experiencing a boom in popularity. It's the natural progression of off road circuits internationally, and sooner rather than later, big events will have to start looking at alternatives.
I completely understand that those who've spent their lives racing around dirt tracks will likely find it artificial, and there's no denying it is - the majority of dirt tracks that aren't loose and dusty undergo a lot of sugar treatment to create an unnaturally high-grip surface. That's just how things are. What I really dislike is the "on road with jumps" adage - of course, grip levels are comparable to rubbered-in concrete or carpet. The carpet EOS tracks really are almost suitable for on road racing, minus the jumps. But that's where it all ends - it feels like people almost devalue the skill involved just because cars aren't sliding through every corner and getting covered in dirt after every run. Naturally occurring on the chosen surface or not, every crest, jump, bump or shift in the grip level takes an extreme amount of skill to negotiate with any kind of pace. If any of you have flicked through the event programme too, they included a nice little section on why they switched to astro. They summarise it nicely. |
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Didn't really see what Lee's car was like in the mains, but I suspect the 3 gear rotation may have helped with the 5 spice. He didn't run in A3, anyone know why? AE cars looked dialed on these obstacles, makes me wonder if they "arranged" for them to be there, having setup for them already in testing. just sayin'... 28 world titles don't come cheap. Not taking away from the stand out drives from Ravkin and Craggy, but they were all handed cars that were setup to work on this track, and did so from the start. Everyone else was starting from nothing. Tebo had God on his side, and stuck to his guns with a cut 'n' shut. He was quick because hed spent a year practicing with that car on a private carpet track, while his car was junk over the 5 spice. He was on a mission for sure. Best man won in end. |
Looks like there are back for 4wd...
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He didn't run in A3, anyone know why?
Think He broke :( ............ |
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Even tho the black strips maybe wern't ideal it did slow down the times and provided a hit an miss area. Im ok with that.
On out indoor track we have 4-5 small jumps that do a little of that which I think may have worked a little better, well maybe less complaining anyway. These have a 45*45 with a 30cm wide hardboard screwed to it. Have them at different angles and they are great. Serpent are testing and I think they wanted to have the brand name in with the best shot of getting on the podium. Would have been intereresting to see if Jörn had made the podium what car he would hold up? |
Track may not have been world class and inconsistent or anything else but it was ultimately the same for everyone, Chris Hoy made a career out of riding around an oval but I doubt anyone said it wasn't proper cycling who rides a bike indoors! At the end of the day it's the competition the other entrants that make it world class! and as for development and proto types that's high end competition for you, I doubt you can buy Lewis Hamiltons gearbox or Valentino Rossi's swinging arm off the shelf. This is after all Modified not spec racing!
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Final Standings 2WD
Can be found here:
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You're telling me, that Associated, managed to get a track built at Yokomo's facility, that would suit their car better than it would suit Yokomo's own car?? really?? good one! I don't understand the comment that they were handed cars to work on that track?? I think what actually happened was that everyone thought Yokomo would be favourite (me included) based on their experience with Astro cars and Lee's experience with the surface. They looked good at the warm up. What also happened however was that the other manufactures accepted that they had to do something different, and went away and worked hard on doing just that. I don't ever remember a worlds where there was so much new / prototype stuff from so many manufactures. My personal view is that a lot of the credit for AE's (possibly surprise) success has to go to Red Workshop. His was certainly the first "laydown" gearbox that I ever saw. Also Neil, clearly he has experience with the surface to match Lee. Don't forget that AE also dipped their toe in by running at an EOS to test some ideas that would help them. Very interesting that Yokomo decided to test a 3 gear box, I spotted it on some pics when I was having a quick look through last night. They clearly thought there was something in the concept - something that Neil has been saying for a while ;) |
Quote.. "AE cars looked dialed on these obstacles, makes me wonder if they "arranged" for them to be there, having setup for them already in testing. just sayin'... 28 world titles don't come cheap.."
Neal...are you really suggesting that Associated paid bribes to get a track to suit their cars..!:mad:..this isn't FIFA.:lol: Just accept that they are better than Yokomo...!:p |
come on boys:lol: I think the strips were added just to increase ride hight, by chance the team/car that nailed a setup good for the whole track including the strips was clearly AE.You have to smile at AE, for months they wouldn't let neil run the Centro as it wasn't full AE now they win the words with a conversion
Interestingly in the track walk by lee and neil, lee was the one looking to see if it was going to be possible jump them as I believe Rivkin was in the finals,But in a quick walk past chat with a yokomo driver the driver commented that they really struggled to get the car over the rubber strips. Quite interesting that 5 pieces of rubber added last minute seems to have had such an influence over the result. I think I saw some photos were the strips have been moved onto a corner for 4wd |
I also have to admit the new yokomo 4wd looks nice, even if it wants to munch your wiring at the first opportunity
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I have been watching and I am amazed at the motors they have using! 5.5 for 2wd and looks like 5.0 are being used for 4wd.
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Worlds is always going to cause some controversy.
The fact is the track they choose is not what the cars have really been designed for but do show a reflection on tracks used in UK especially and more into Europe. I like indoor racing but not with limitless grip, I would like to have seen some slippery hairpins. The rumble strips was there to break up the pace of the circuit 17 seconds was too fast even with them, and yes it meant the cars had to have some rideheight, also it made sure the shaft cars would be more handicaped in that section with the non shaft cars as they really don't do bumps as well. Any Team with Gerd in is going to be running some non production models. Associated keeping under wraps is very suspicious to me, if it was new prototype stuff why keep a secret? maybe they borrowed some bits from another manufacturer?. Associated went with a very strong team as always and for a young gun to win will shake up the old school, will Rifkin buy Cav a Beer after the coming together, you could see his intention to win after not stopping for the Multi WC top Associated driver. He was on fire in finals impressive stuff. Tebo running his own hybrid was a little controversial, However Boots was running the new prototype RB6 which we expect to see in production soon. 11th place was much more than expected and fast enough for 5th in all A final runs. The Kyosho cars was kept secret prior but was fully on show during event. Yokomo lacked some depth to their team at the top, Lee did well to get there after a poor start but just was not on pace of the rest. I think its clear that 2wd has become such a variable class depending on surface and track features that this worlds has highlighted that many cars are still not developed to point where they can compete in all arenas! I doubt anyone in top 20 had a car off the shelf to buy now! Looking forward to 4wd, i expect more drivers to show, so far some very strong drivers been missing under radar as they likely had 2wd not up to it, Like Ronnafelk and few others way down the field. Doubt it will be 2 horse race in qualifying like 2wd was! |
As usually the fast yanks where fast and despite the liking of the english people for lee martin hes good but at the big events havent cragg been the better of the two.
mvh isobarik ps i belive this will stirr things up yeah i from sweden and we werent in the a yeah my spelling sucks |
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Taking into account their somewhat unprecedented dominance, I think it's fair to say that they're running something unique. It's anybody's guess as to what the layout actually is, but I think it's becoming more and more obvious that they turned up in such an unassuming manner for a reason. |
Forgott to say that ....
in the D-main That was won by Travis Ameszcua followed by Ty Tessman and Ben Jamison in 8th place ahead of Richard Lowe in 9th and Shin Adachi in 10th Was Malin Karlsen :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: driving for sweden She is a teamdriver for xray and 10 years old ..... mvh isobarik |
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