B44.3 need set up advice please
 

Hi guys

I'm new to the B44.3 and can seem to find a good set up for high grip astro. (Bury metro)

At the moment I seem to be getting loads of grip roll all over the track.

Any advice on shock settings like, which springs, oil, position, rebound, ride hight ?

Any advice appreciate

Matt :thumbsup:

Give me 2 weeks and i should be able to help you.
Seemed to need alot more work on it than my old b44.2 yesterday! :thumbdown:

Thanks mate. :thumbsup:

Anyone else out there in the world of Team Associated got any setup tips they'd like to share, tried searching online but all setup seem to be on clay or carpet, noticed a big difference in information available from racing kyosho or Durango.
Any help appreciated,

Cheers Matt

What tyres are you using now ?

Schumacher Mini Spikes front and rear, with the outside row cut off, or cut staggers yellow up front.

Hi,

What are you running at the moment?

MiCk B. :-)

Hi Mick

I've picked the car up second hand so I'm not sure exactly what oil is in the shocks or diffs at the mo, I was just looking for a decent tried and tested setup for astro so I could buy the correct oil and springs ect and copy it. Ha

I've got the turn-buckles on the shortest setting and about -1 camber, blue front springs and black rear, about 20mm ride height all round, shocks are on the outside hole on the arms and inside holes on the shock towers

cheers :blush:

Hi,

I've really just carried over the astro set-ups from the B44.2 to the B44.3.
One thing I have found with the B44.3 was to run lighter oil in the diffs.
I couldn't get the car to steer / rotate running 7k/5k oils, drop to 3k front and rear (100k centre) car really started to work.

This was on a tight high traction indoor astro track.

MiCk B. :-)

Matt, Bury grip roll can be managed. When you go to Bury and we are there you are welcome to have a look at our 44.3's.

We haven't run Luke's there yet, but Josh's was very good. 7K front diff, 5K rear, 75K in centre. I'll be increasing Luke's centre oil weight - he drives harder.

You want the front shocks mounted to the outside holes in the arms, inside at the rear.

Your springs seem very soft. Josh used front red, rear green. Shock oils 35wt front and rear, pistons 1.5 front, 1.7 rear. Josh also used shorty battery. Car was good.

For a complete set up I would recommend you look at CML web site and go to their downloads. Neil Cragg and Ben Jameson posted set ups for 44.3 on astro.

Mike / Ed,

Thanks a lot, good advice there, gives me a good starting point :)

I'll get some oils on order now

:thumbsup:

Shock setup
 

Hi guys

Another quick question if I may

How much rebound (if any) do you have when setting up your shock Pistons, again to race on high grip bumpy astro ?

Cheers :)

Matt

Have a look at this, it may help you :blush:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nsxBZuqLDI

Matt

Ive got a setup for you after yesterday!

It will be on here shortly!

http://www.petitrc.com/setup/associa...RC10B44.3.html

Thanks a lot mate :)

You going for shorty then gaz over saddle?

Yep :thumbsup:
Equally weighted front and rear side to side it feels better!
It was dialled at the weekend, 2nd meeting with the car also and just didnt have enough time before hand to see what its limits were so had to settle for Q3.

Was that servo on normal side yea couldnt see on setup sheets, might give shorty a go as quite a few seem to run that now from pics ive seen

I've switched the servo position to the rhs , just drilled the chassis in the same positions but on the other side. A longer link is needed and space up the ballstud on the steering so the link doesn't hit the center driveshaft. I'll post a pic if anybody wants.

well alot of us are using 2 row stud(yellow in the dry).like the old turf rippers on the front. they say it really calms the front down and stops it digging in.(high grip astro)hth

Servo on normal side im not a sheep so i cant be bothered following everyone in usa for something thats not relevant.

This car can be pushed so much and feels so safe with the shorty layout. Ive gone much softer on the front end to what i use to use. Currently at 15000, 5000 with the diffs and want to try maybe 10-12000 in front like the b44.2.

Do not use green rear springs they are rubbish! Go stiffer it will make the car easier to drive and will change direction so much better!

Measure your servo and and then measure your rec, and speedo.
Get some weights and put them behind the servo so it is equal.

Then do the lipo and speedo seperately and do the same again.
Put the weights behind the motor.

If you need any pics add me on fb or email me, [email protected]

Gaz,

How much weight have you added in total?

I tried the Shorty Layout, but without weights added. The rear bobbled and stepped out a lot, even in a straight line on carpet, so I went back to Saddles which settled the car down a lot.

I'd like to try the Shorty arrangement aagain though.

Cheers.

Ian

Ian

I'd say the saddle would probably work well on carpet yes, but there's nothing wrong with the shorty with weight ! Stiffen up rear end definetly from the 25-30w with green springs that is commonly used. You can always use the 90g rear weight if you need more.

I have used 20g behind servo and 30g behind motor

Ps. I can't stress how much difference the rear shocks made to the car !!!!! Best improvement yet

Gaz

Cheers gaz defo worth a try in shorty before next regional.

We talking 30wt with white or even stiffer?

Ive only eva had 10k 100k 7k tbh in diffs in since build as at worksop it drove ace so il leave them in for shorty to start

I have come down from purples etc on front to now yellow or red with 37.5 it got better goning softer.

Gaz,

Thanks for the info.

I ran Saddles for the first outing for my B44.3 on Astro. The track was very bumpy, so I ran with 27.5 Wt in the rear with the Greens. With the 1.6mm Pistons in the rear and 1.5mm in the front, I added an extra couple of 1.2mm Holes to both the front and rear pistons which got rid of the 'bobbling' over the ripples. I shortened the Front Camber Links and added another 1mm spacer onto the Rear Camber Link Balls to compensate for the extra roll on the car. It felt pretty good but I like a bit more turn in so I'll be dropping my oil weights in the diffs. Running 5000, 80000 and 7000 at the moment. I'll be dropping to 3000, 80000 and 5000.

I'll try your advice with the Rear Shocks.....and then hopefully I can go and try a shorty configuration again with the pointers about the weight.

Cheers again.

Hi,

I ran my B44.3 in very wet condition on Sunday on grass. It was extremely wet the worst conditions I've raced in. The forecast is the same for this weekend for the second regional meeting. Looking for some advice on setting up for these conditions condition. At the weekend I changed to a brown front and black rear spring with 25wt in the rear and 27.5wt in the front. I was running the standard 2 hole 1.5 front piston and 2 hole 1.7 rear. Unfortunately I didn't have wet tyres and only had a choice of Schumacher yellow or blue spikes, as the yellows had 2 rows cut off the front I opted to run the blues all round however for the weekend I will have ballistic greens. I struggled with turn in so also removed the front arb and my shocks out on the arms and to the most inner hole on the towers. Diffs were 7k, 100k, 5k. Felt okay and was able to drive it however still lacked turn in, wondered if anyone else more experienced could off some pointers for setting the car up in these coconditions.

Thanks

So much to do!
You shouldn't be running 2x1.5 in front they should be 2x1.6
For wet grass I'd be doing most of the below:-
Ballistic whites or Schumacher greens
Shorter front top deck link
25-27.5w in rear black
30-32.5w in front white front spring anything around a low 3.0 rate
Ride height lifted 22mm all round
Bigger wing
Short/medium wheelbase
Remove cab forward shell and use old b44 shell (I have 4 shells for dif tracks)
Inner on front tower (less turn in)
Inner on rear tower (more side bite)
Stiff front insert always
Medium rear insert always
Vts slipper in
3000w in rear
5000w in front

Appreciate the advice, thanks for the reply :thumbsup: