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Adam F 14-11-2014 11:26 PM

KF Stadium Truck...
 
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Fancied a bit of truck racing, but as no Schuey truck is available I thought I would convert a KF to stadium trim using some odd bits I had to see how it went..

Ran it briefly for the first time last week and its ballistic... :D

cmgreen 15-11-2014 06:56 AM

Looks good, what did you use to convert it?

Adam F 15-11-2014 08:51 AM

Its basically TC02T shafts & wishbones that have been re-drilled and narrowed on the rear, with the fronts re-driled and spaced to fit the schuey bottom plate..

Rear body mount was some random touring car thing that was narrowed to suit and fronts are TC02T re-drilled and in place of the front shock tower fasteners.

Pretty simple, but drives awesome!

cmgreen 15-11-2014 09:38 AM

All ways think these are the future instead of those sc things

NeilRalph77 15-11-2014 10:38 AM

ST are way way cooler than SC I don't know how anyone could think otherwise!!!

bretts 15-11-2014 10:50 AM

Chuff me, that's a lot of ribs to remove on the front tyres!!

Where do you run?

Any vids of the heats?

Adam F 15-11-2014 10:58 AM

I run at Silverstone, so its indoor astro... very high grip.. It really needs another row off as I had to limit the steering to 45% throw!!

I've only run it once at the winter series last week, but it was already 3 seconds faster per lap than everyone else... and that was without actually trying to get it set up.. Don't think there was any video unfortunately.

And yup, ST all the way!!

jph 15-11-2014 03:58 PM

Love this, it's about time Schumacher produced one of these!

cmgreen 15-11-2014 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jph (Post 886127)
Love this, it's about time Schumacher produced one of these!

Totally agree!!

Danosborne6661 17-11-2014 09:17 AM

I'd like to see a KF short course :)

jimmy noke 17-11-2014 11:35 AM

Schumacher short course
 
I'd like to see the schumacher sc in production

schmacher 18-11-2014 03:53 AM

i just want longer rear shocks so i can finish my svr truck properly

Adam F 18-11-2014 11:32 PM

Ran the truck again tonight... I love it... :wub

On a sub 18 second lap I was half a second slower than with my KF and consistent, pretty good for an ST!

I thought it needed longer shocks, but happy with it as it is.. :D

Matthew Moore 19-11-2014 09:10 AM

Can you post a full list of parts needed to convert the KF and pictures of any modifications. I'd love to do this to make a fun truck for practice nights 😃

Npdp72 19-11-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam F (Post 886580)

On a sub 18 second lap I was half a second slower than with my KF and consistent, pretty good for an ST!

You need to be going quicker with your KF :p

But seriously, your truck last night was awesome, first time I've ever seen a truck that looked like it really handled at Silverstone.

Adam F 19-11-2014 07:43 PM

Parts list is earlier in the thread, I don't have part numbers as such as I had the bits laying around..

You're right Nige... need to stop trying to run two cars in one night and concentrate on one or the other!! :D

knighthawk 11-11-2016 08:10 PM

I'm looking to do something with either my KF or KF2

Are the dimensions of the latest stadium trucks the same, i.e. Do they have longer chassis etc

Cheers

Typpo 15-11-2016 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by knighthawk (Post 960840)
I'm looking to do something with either my KF or KF2

Are the dimensions of the latest stadium trucks the same, i.e. Do they have longer chassis etc

Cheers

According to the following listed specs, the wheelbase is close.

KF2
http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Sh...ougar_KF2.html
Wheelbase: 285mm

Associated RC10 T5M
https://www.teamassociated.com/cars_...5M/Team/specs/
Wheelbase: 289mm (11.38in)

Kyosho Ultima RT6
http://www.kyoshoamerica.com/ULTIMA-...t_p_22829.html
Wheelbase; 290mm

TLR 22T 2.0
http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...4#prodFeatures
Wheelbase: 11.3–11.41 in (286–290mm)

XRAY XT2
https://teamxray.com/xt2/2017/en/specs/
Wheelbase: Adjustable 289-294mm

Typpo 15-11-2016 06:35 PM

Based on the kits above, why is the 2.2" wheel diameter used over the 2.8"?

Adam F 19-11-2016 07:24 PM

Just to note, if you run the Team C wishbones up front it ends up around 6mm longer, so around 291mm ish..

Still got mine, in bits waiting for a reason to put it back together :)

AdrianH78 20-11-2016 12:02 PM

The below is my highly modified Storm 2000 released around 1992/93, this was probably Schumacher's last racing Stadium Truck! With the Storm 2000 you could have it Nitro or electric :thumbsup:

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...r/DSCF1671.jpg
http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...r/DSCF1670.jpg
http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps8vxa6leq.jpg

It has a Mugen ST body shell to make it more competitive when I was racing it again from mid 2003 up until around the end of 2005 as the original Schumacher truck shell was massive and slowing it down..

:thumbsup:

Thomas B 21-11-2016 08:50 PM

Thinking of building a truck ont of a KF2 that I have extra. Is there any other brand of wishbones that can fit KF2? Anyone now dimensions of rc10t5 arms?

schmacher 24-11-2016 02:28 AM

kyosho rt5 or 6 arms and driveshafts should work..front axles too

Typpo 24-11-2016 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by schmacher (Post 961770)
kyosho rt5 or 6 arms and driveshafts should work..front axles too

At the diff output side, what is the diameter of the Kyosho driveshaft cross pin and ball?

schmacher 24-11-2016 07:01 AM

i believe they should be fine..i did use hpi driveshafts(firestorm i believe) on my svr stadium truck...losi use to use the bigger ball on their driveshafts

Danosborne6661 24-11-2016 12:00 PM

I imagine short course arms/driveshafts would be easier to source to convert a KF2 to a stadium truck? What about some of the real cheap Team C/Ansmanns or even the Hobbyking shortcourse truck as a donor?

The stadium parts don't seem all that easy to find!

Adam F 24-11-2016 09:36 PM

Just use the TeamC TC02T/Hyde... or Ansmann Macnum bones, shafts etc...

Loads on eBay cheap and worked well on my KF ST.... see first post...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Team-C...wAAOSw0vBUY3GL

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Team-C-Hyd...wAAOxy0QtR-8-4

Bit expensive trying to use Kyosho parts!

Oh and a ball diff helps take the strain off the belt... I have one for sale if anyone needs one :)

stuey 24-11-2016 09:55 PM

How difficult to do were the mods Adam? I might be interested in doing this conversion.

Adam F 24-11-2016 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stuey (Post 961839)
How difficult to do were the mods Adam? I might be interested in doing this conversion.

Dead easy... Just need to drill out the Team C arms so the KF hinge pins go in and then space the to fit the KF bulkheads.

stuey 25-11-2016 09:25 AM

So its a matter of drilling the wishbone inner hinge pin holes to match the Schumacher pin diameter, and spacing to fit the bulkhead gaps. I am guessing longer turnbuckles will be required, what about the outer hinge pins, bearings, front axles, rear hexes to match the driveshafts? Any brand of wheels you would recommend, along with a bodyshell?

Cheers :thumbsup:

Danosborne6661 25-11-2016 10:26 AM

This is way too tempting! Always loved stadium trucks, someone delete this thread before I empty my wallet on a 2nd KF2 :p

Other than your 2x links there, anyone else looking to convert will also need longer turnbuckles and then what wheels and bodyshell have you used Adam?

EDIT: Just realised I asked the same thing as Stuey.

If bearings, wheels etc are needed then perhaps a complete donor is worth while?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1614340712...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Adam F 25-11-2016 07:47 PM

Mine was a complete TCO2T, so basically used the complete corners with links/hubs etc..

Could have used the KF hubs etc, but had the team C bits all built up...

Same for the wheels and shell, although any ST wheels would be ok and I am sure there are better shells.

I would say the complete donor kit would be the cheapest option..

Thomas B 04-03-2017 08:35 PM

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Test tomorrow
Parts from a old team C/ansmann truck.


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Danosborne6661 06-03-2017 09:08 AM

Awesome :thumbsup:

Typpo 06-03-2017 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas B (Post 968690)
Test tomorrow
Parts from a old team C/ansmann truck.

Thank you for posting the pictures.

At the diff output side, what is the diameter of the Team C/Ansman driveshaft cross pin and ball?

Thomas B 08-03-2017 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Typpo (Post 968852)
Thank you for posting the pictures.

At the diff output side, what is the diameter of the Team C/Ansman driveshaft cross pin and ball?

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Danosborne6661 08-03-2017 04:15 PM

How did you get on with the car?

Thomas B 08-03-2017 05:33 PM

it went beyond expectation. Did not test is so mutch. Drove new KC mostly of the day but it was good and above al it was very fun to drive. Going to race it on sunday.

Typpo 10-03-2017 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas B (Post 968971)

Thank you for uploading the helpful pictures. Based on the pictures, the ball of the driveshaft appears to be about one millimeter narrower than the comparable part of the stock Schumacher driveshaft.

Is there greater play with these driveshafts in the diff outputs than with the stock Schumacher driveshafts?

Also, is the diameter of the cross pin 2.5mm like the Schumacher driveshaft or is it thinner (e.g. 2.0mm)?

Adam F 10-03-2017 07:13 PM

Be careful of the belt if using a gear diff or a tight slipper..

I ended up with a ball diff and ran the slipper a tiny bit looser then normal.


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