Bury Metro Winter Indoor Dates
 

We can now confirm the Winter indoor dates :thumbsup:

Same venue as last year.

Sunday 2nd November 2014
Sunday 14th December 2014
Sunday 4th Jan 2015
Sunday 1st Feb 2015
Sunday 1st March 2015

Indoor Address
Waterhead Academy
Moorside Campus
Counthill Road,
Oldham,
OL4 2PY

Pitting at this venue is in the Gymnasium next door so all the area can be used for the race track.
The track will be laid out each time using carpet and the shiny sports surface.
The doors will open at 9 so the track can be built ready for booking in at 10:30 (ish).
Bring and extension lead and pit table.

Winter Outdoor dates to follow later on today

Indoors
 

Hope I get to more of these this time the one I did last winter was great fun:thumbsup:

Is a vintage class going to be run at the indoor series ?

Obviously numbers may dictate this so put me down for it as a starter !

Gives me an excuse to go searching for a vintage car too...

I agree stu, I'm looking for a vintage myself and would love to race a vintage class over winter.

Hope this takes off!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

If there are enough people then by all means. Though if the Memorial meeting is anything to go by it looks like it might be a little too serious.....

Count me in on the vintage class

I think we'd need to define exactly what counts as vintage. The XX4 Neil was using is far too good for example.

I fancy getting hold of an rc10 classic!

Separating 2&4wd would be a good start si

But it's vintage!!

Looks like our Losi's will be out numbered by rc10's

That's what am after !!

Interested in an Optima Mid if classes wasn't split tho !

Defo split classes or run in same heat then work out times between 2wd and 4wd if that's possible

At what point does a buggy become a vintage model?,

Well thats the killer question. So far we've just taken it as 'old' but there needs to be more to it than that.
Normally for 2wd the cutoff is considered the Losi XX. Anything pre XX (RC10, JRX2 and Cougar) is vintage, after its just old.
4wds are more tricky due to some overlaps, but generally pre-Cat 2000 or XX4. That means Optima's, Mids and Lazers, XLS, Pro and Bosscats and all the YZ series Dogfighters.

I doubt I could split the heats unless we have more than 10 entries as it adds a half hour to the day for every extra heat, but two classes in 1 heat is easy to score.

Well I have got my hands on an original RC10 to kick Maddy's sorry arse !

Bring on the retro !!

so i guess thats anything goes before 1995, after that its just old

Your cheating ZXR should be excluded too Rob :)

my zxr is 1992:p and if its the carbon hop ups i have put on they are from fibre-lyte and they were also making parts back in the day like the carbon tub chassis so its all ok.....as for the xx4 that went on sale in 1997

It's tough to decide what constitutes 'vintage' or not. The oople series had the same problem this summer when trying to decide the rules for their RC10 class. The RC10 Worlds edition, from 1991 I think (That has just been re-released) had a stealth gearbox that was able to handle much hotter motors than the standard 6 gear tranny in the Standard RC10 classic.

I think that anything that pre-dates the Losi XX or Associated B2 should be allowed to keep the class authentic. Also, A 10.5 or even 13.5 motor limit would be a good way of keeping things fair as like I said before the gearboxes on the later cars are far more capable of handling faster motors so would be a big advantage over the older cars.

A control tyre would be good too but the problem is that the classic rc10 uses 2" wheels where nearly everything else uses 2.2"


Chris

Ok so is my losi xxx kinwald ok for vintage?
I'm up for motor limits.

By the sounds of it this is getting serious!!

Battery's, Motors, ESC, Tyres should also be limited for the Vintage class me thinks.....

It should be a bit of fun with retro cars for me ? As long as Birdy and Rob Mills give the rest a 3 lap start !

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This is where the whole vintage thing gets confusing Maddy,

The xxx is to all intents and purposes a modern car, It was released in 1999 and run in one guise or another up until 2011 when the 22 came out. Despite that what we don't want to do is turn anyone away who does want to run.

In an ideal world for authentic, close racing all running the re-released 1986 RC10 classic's would be awesome fun but I'm not stupid enough to think everyone will go out and buy one for the series.
In my opinion the appeal of the rc10/vintage racing is the classic look of the cars and the fact that the handling isn't very good so you do the best you can with what you have but maybe that's just me?

Even cars that fall within the years I would deem vintage 1986-1992 approx vary massively and get considerably better as the years went on. The RC10 classic is the most primitive of all the buggies we could run (and the one I would use) but Associated have also just re-released the worlds version of the rc10
From 1991 which is practically the beginning of the geometry of what would become the modern style 2wd buggy.

Control motors would be good, I see you can get a speed passion reventon R with 13.5 motor for £75 which would be ideal but control tyres would be a little trickier as anybody with the original RC10 would have to convert to adapters to also fit 2.2" wheels that we use now as the classic has 2" wheels.


How many people are seriously considering a bit of classic racing and what car's do you have?


Chris

Cougar 2 team with work's gearbox conversion, lipo's and a 15 double.

I do and will be using an original rc10

Period electrics are hard to source. It ends up coming down to who can find the best brushed esc etc. At least with brushless and lipo everyone can have as much power as they can take which is actually more even!
But tyres are a good idea - I propose the Schumacher Block. Really they should be in Blue which was the only compound available back then but unless we want to be fussed with checking compounds I'd suggest we allow yellow and green. Its a very hard wearing tyre, comes in 2in (but can stretch onto 2.2's) and offers good but limited grip which will restrict speeds.
RC10 classics, Scorpions etc can use either the kit tyres in their non-standard sizes (since they offer no advantage) or Blocks if fitted with 2/2.2in wheels.

No Maddy your Losi is far too good and too new. Just look at the performance difference between your Losi and my RC10 compared to your RB6 and my 4210. With the modern cars we aren't that far apart, with the older ones its multiple laps. Admittedly I was having issues with the RC10's but thats not enough to explain the difference.

My losi wasn't fast by any means,I was on nims with a 9t motor,35amp esc and 90%of the time I was on full power even round the long corners,and berm, it's the fact that the losi was that slow I could blast round without making and real errors,I was just consistent in my lap times that's what made my times look good and finished 3rd in the final.
I set a better lap time with the xxx than I did with the Rb6 that day.
Your not a little bit jealous are you Si hehehe

Si you car is slow because you have, 50lbs of blue tack stuck to the front :thumbsup:
I would live to join in but cannot afford a vintage yet, could I run my brushed x6 ? 2006? :=)

All seriousness boys think we're dreaming that we'll have enough interest for a series.... Roger's meeting was the biggest it's been and we could only manage 9...... In an ideal world sounds great but people want to run their modern 2&4 cars.
So basically you'll be lucky just to get a heat together without all these limitations ect....