alternative tires to mini pin?
 

As title, after some suggestions for alternative tires that don't pull at the pile in the carpet?

Foams
Venoms
Panther slicks
nanobytes
Spikes

Any helpful suggestions.

Cheers

Try the venom 88 tyres in white compound with a hard insert. Marstons control tyre and they work great and last forever Dave. I made the decision for them too be a control tyre there.

Yeah a few of us have been using the venoms with slower motors and they are fun but not catching on.

I've tried foams too which can easily keep up, possibly out do pins (with the right driver lol) unfortunately not readily available.

How did your entries go when you made the change?

It also could be surface dependant, at WBMCC the white Venoms only start to grip half decently after a fair few heats. At other tracks with more grippy and perhaps newer carpet they may start gripping much earlier.

Chicken and egg situation, allegedly the mini pins make the Venoms grip less. People don't want to migrate to Venoms whilst there's no grip, but there will be no grip with Venoms whilst people still use mini pins.

PS: And yes, Venoms are a whole lot of fun at WBMCC with 13.5T motors.

We use VBC SE slicks over here, but with additive. As we have to share the carpet with the TC guys.

I use Venoms work better with additive too, at least at WBMCC.

I've ran venom whites with 13.5 and in blinky, which is still a lot of fun.
The grip should come back once pins are no longer used ??? I hope...

What about the proline pin?

I found on the venoms you need high horse power to get the tyres to spin and generate heat, then they work well. Also need additive to work.:thumbsup:

I would have thought anything spiky and not very soft is going to pull the pile in the carpet - a bit like velcro; the hook side catches/claws on the loop side. Surely, unless you have no spike, you are going to have the same problem? A softer compound may allow the spike to fold rather than stay stiff and "claw" at the carpet?

Perhaps that's where we have gone wrong. 13.5 blinky can't generate the heat.

Fastrax do some 'block' or 'H pattern' tyres Dave,

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£7 ish a pair but come with inserts so would make a good control type deal?

I will give ago with more power this friday ;)

cheers Mark, will have a look :)

Has anyone tried the rc core bow ties ?

I may join you :D Crank up the timing...

PS: If the Clubman guys don't threaten to put me down for bailing out ;) I've just remembered that it is TL01 special day V2.

Why not just use yellow mini spikes

Ive run both slicks and venoms at west bridgford and both times ive run them on a 6.5 motor, run white venoms with tubby inserts, dont belt the tyre as they need to expand too work.:thumbsup:

Don't even think about it...................

Ive tried venoms at bridgford and they were fucking wank! I would like to see foams back. There is a club up north that runs foams with some success i think. Cant remember which one though.

Is there a supplier with a good stock of foams - they do grip well at WBMCC

Do you reckon they were f-ing w*nk because the tyres themselves are bad or because of the carpet? Is it possible that once people stop using mini pins the carpet condition will improve?

Dan and myself ran them on the same night . Pins blitzed it .
Good way to kill buggies off if you ask me !
Venoms had nowhere near the pace of pins and are very unpredictable.

You would be off the pace compared to pins but then everyone would be on the same tyre and possibly the same set would last all winter, so great for your pocket.
Atm these are all ideas.

Is that with or without additive?
As i can tell the difference with the VBCs.
They start off a bit slippy, then when they warm up (couple of laps) they grip like there's no tomorrow. After about 5 minutes or so, the grip drops off as the effect of the additive disappears.

There is enough grip to (easily) wheelie or flip a car if the slipper is a bit too tight, or with a silly enough motor, even if the slipper isn't too tight.

With worn tyres and plenty of additive, its grip roll that causes most of the problems, not a lack of grip!

mattr that's why I asked if people reckoned it was the tyres or the carpet. I am aware that at WBMCC Venoms don't grip well. But if the lack of grip is due to mini pins then it is a chicken and egg situation... People don't want to go to Venoms because they don't grip and Venoms won't grip because people use mini pins.

I don't know if that is the reason, I am merely asking to see what people think.

Hard to say but i dont think its because of the mini pins causeing the carpet to loose grip. I just think the tyres arnt great. Loads of grip on power when there expanding but as soon as you come off power and weight transfers to front then there useless. Just inconsistent and not fun on 2wd. Plus what would 4wds run on the front if you chose to run them?

I understand where your coming from as the desicion was made at Broxtowe to stop minipins but I dont think it is a popular desicion with people who run offroad but the majority run on road on a saturday there so it was a case of a vote.

Impossible to please everyone. Tough desicions. :confused:

I'm using the venoms mostly without additive, the first round is usually a bit skitty but it soon picks up. Yes I'm Defo off the pace against pins but I'm also ahead of quite a few using pins which is good as I am running 13.5bl blinky possibly the slowest of the field.
I find them controllable and consistent. I thoroughly packed a full set (front and rear) of inserts in them

Ribble valley use foams on buggies, have been doing so for a while. If you look at our club section you'll see every so often we have the rebate about going back to pins but the benefits of foams make it something of a no brainer.

As for supply, most of our lads get them direct from Schumacher, the 1/8th circuit tyres they brand as contact. We cut the inner ribs from the wheels and stretch them on. I did my 6th night racing on Friday, tyres still going strong. I'm expecting I'll get another 5-6 race nights out of them.

We do use additive but even factoring that in, its fast, and more importantly, very cheap racing!

Hope you find a solution which works for you.

Cheers, I'm trying foams atm and I've found that if I do an outlap before the start, I don't actually need any additive. ( I believe these started life as contact 1/8th foams, now on buggy rims).. I've not changed any settings from running pins, so prob could be quicker if I did. Just a shame they are not off the shelf.

We race indoors too sharing the track with 1/12th scale and a lot of drivers run foams on buggies, we use the Schumacher 1/8th scale donuts not an ideal fit but they work.

Same thing with me, I find them consistent with a slower motor just lacking in overall grip. Not tried them with plenty of power, but it makes sense that them expanding so much would make them rather unpredictable. A fast motor might even rip them off the wheels :)

http://www.racing-cars.com/sp/catego...oad_Tyres.html

Foams for buggies now available :thumbsup:

Indeed, when payday arrives going to order some.

The rears are very grippy, I added an extra lap to my best time, but am now having to shim my diff due to the extra load!
Probably don't help running 6.5 turn orca and 7k oil in a 2wd. But worth it for a more drivable car.
Wear rates are very good, I reckon 1 set will last 6months easy.
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tried the venoms in doors today down the port tablot club, heated and additived up, un drive-able on the slip they work well and grip on the carpet, no grip at all