Tamiya Tourers next Friday ...
 

A few if us have agreed to run tamiya tub tourers next Friday in Clubmans.

TT01's etc 13.5 max, bring it back in line and close for fun.

So far ....

Chris B
Chris G
Scott
Stuart
Charlie
Nigel

Every one else welcome

Scott

do you think my ta03 would qualify if i run it using my 13.5 motor and blinky mode ?

Tempting... Although, meh.. TL01 is monocoque, not a tub :( As for your belt driven carbon fibre car Martin... No tub there either.

Will have to carefully consider this, I am finding my Mardave rather enjoyable.

PS: Right not I am tempted to say "YOLO! I'm doing it!". But I reserve my right to change my mind without prior warning or consideration for anyone's feelings.

I mentioned I'm watching one on the bay,I was told the people intending to run them in this thread wouldn't be happy if I ran one as they are a TC :confused:

I guess tubs are not important, but the idea was just to bring it closer and more fun, more about driving and less about speed and foam ...

I guess the clubman lads know when they are pushing the gentlemans agreement ;-)

Scott

It is hard to draw the line, right? What makes a TT01 not a TC? The fact that it is made of cheap brittle plastic? I'd say that TTs, TLs, TBs, and early TAs are touring cars, just slightly budget plastic ones.

OK, now that's sounding even better :) No foams??? Has everyone agreed to that?

PS: I'm not giving up on the Dave, but I don't mind some tourer days like this :) Not that my Dave is that quick anyhow seems to be about the same as your Mini Scott.

PPS: Whilst I agree with having a tourers gentleman's agreement to keep things sensible and slower than the TC class I'd hate to see the variety go away though. Last Friday we had a home-brew Schumacher/Mardave creation that went round the track like stink. Come on, that's also nice to see!

i suppose i could unlock the rear diff in my ta03f drifter and run that :)

FWIW, Chris Petch's F1 didn't seem to be too quick either. He was about the same with that than his tourer.

Then again, he was running a sensible motor in the F1... unlike the tourer.

It was Charlie's idea really, he will run foam im sure ... Its only an idea for next week for mo.

Tbh the marmacher was good fun but i only used it as we couldn't get the other car running

Surly all tamiyas come with a silver can,the gearing is set so kids can run them untill the Nim goes flat,throw another battery in a off again,surly if you stick to std gearing the silvercan will last?

Are you going to try and get the Mardave going for next week? :) Coz I have lipos waiting here so I should be able to finish races now.

I think its more the lads wanting a close race thats all, a close race between multiple car classed is great but things are running away a little in the class I feel ... How fast were the leading cars? That mardave was faster than the gt12s thats not fun in my eyes and it should have been in with the 12's.

Its all about choice I guess but going by the brief chat we had about it for the most want it sensible and fun and close .. Let the others run away with it if they like, it wil soon get boring for them im sure.

Scott

OK, so if it is about keeping things close then Chris' F1 and my Mardave should be OK. You overtook me with your M-chassis... a dirty, filthy, underhanded, grubby and bordering on the immoral overtaking manoeuvre. But you overtook me nonetheless ;)

Just kidding mate, I am well aware I used my oversized bumper to do the same the previous week.

PS: We should also keep in mind the skill gap between racers, even with the exact same car some people would be running away from the rest. In off-road where all things are equal in terms of power I am often 3 laps or so below the tops guys. I'm not saying some cars aren't ballistic, just simply saying that I'll get lapped even if we are all driving totally stock TT02s.

Chris G made a comment that was, others are putting faster motors in now so I'm running a 10.5 ... Thats how its starts..

Different cars come with different standard gearings and some will be speedy whilst others will crawl round the track like three legged tortoises.

!!!!!!!!!!! 10.5?????? :thumbdown: I'm sticking with the sealed can motors.

How about a rule like if you are within a certain percentage of the top TC guy you get moved to TC and score points for the TC class. And if you are running a 10.5 or foams or anything of the sort and get moved to TC then you simply score no points as you have an illegal TC.

PS: In an ideal world there would be two legal motors, one for 4WD cars and another for 2WD cars. Both cheap, let's say HPI's 15T sealed can for 4WD and HPI's 20T for 2WD. Done. If anyone hasn't got those motors the club could supply them for 7 quid a pop or so.

The silly power race needs to stop, people will get fed up and switch to another class.

i feel like i am being persecuted a little for running a carbon chassis and 9t motor... the fact that i dont have any ball race bearings in my car seems insignificant... i am still almost level with gui's mini down the streight but i cannot touch him through the corners.... we need to remember that this class is self governing and we should all be taking it light heartedly and sticking to the unwritten rules of making each car evenly matched on speed and cornering ability... i gave a few laps with chris' ta02 tourer yesterday and that seems much faster than my ta03 even though the motor is a whole 3 turns slower.... :thumbsup:

Martin, I didn't have you car in mind buddy ... Yours does seem comparable, it is self governed ... No one is being prosecuted mate, Charlie mentioned it and we thought it would be enjoyable thats all...

All of those sensorless motors can be utterly brutal if geared right even the 13T, its all about managing the temp. There's not a whole lot of difference with the right gearing between my 9T and my 12T. You have gearing that makes it top out quick, hence the lack of speed.

dont worry scott.. i've not got the hump, i'm still loving the clubman class it just seems that i have had to spend money to build this car to even make myself somewhere near competitive which is not what the class was introduced for.... i felt that certain cars on friday took the absoloute piss to be fair... not very spirited ! i think the tub tourers are a great idea and i will be building my drifter back into a circuit car for this coming week's racing :thumbsup:

And Martin whilst I have no issue with you running a 9T if you have no bearings and gear it slow, one of the problems is that once someone hears that you have a 9T they will feel that they can also run a 9T and they will not gear it slow or run bushings.

Bloody hell guys, I leave my computer for 1hr to go shopping and look what I have come back to!!!!!!!

I do totally agree with the above comments, the rules should be simple:
touring cars, run min 13t brushless
direct drive cars, run silver can.

Martin, personally I don't have an issue with you running that 9t, its hardly any different to my 12t and is slower than Gui's crazy 9t or my Dualsky 8.5t.

My only other suggestion would be for us to have some simple drag races at the start of the night and adjust our throttles so that cars have similar straight line pace.

With regards F1s, I was running silver can, foams and LIPO and was left for dead by Lee's and Dave's. I have heard of some interest in running a separate f1 class with maybe a Saturn 27t stock motor. This will make them much faster than Tamiya tourers, so should they run in The TC class, but scoring points in a separate championship?

I suggested that it gets discussed at the meeting on Monday.

I'm against silvercans or any sealed can motor with no internal fan. Dealing with the temp is just annoying...

Acceleration as well as top speed? Coz I can gear a 23T to have the same top speed down the straight as a 15T yet the 15T is more drivable as I get decent acceleration and don't melt my chassis with motor heat. Running a faster motor is always advantageous even when geared to have the same top speed as a slower motor if it allows you to get to that top speed quicker.

Lee and daviddidnt take the piss,Dave just wanted to give his car
a run and I think they both would be more than happy to put a silver an in,

13,5 is what is run in the TC class so in theory the club man TC class could be silly quick,

This is why I mentioned the tt01and varieties there of, although plastic fantastic it is more tourer than clubman.

Not sure where thread is going lads but it is as simple as 6 guys with tamiya non jelly moulds tubs, non ball diffs, little carbon, closed gearing wanting to see sensibly paced closed rubbing of nice body shells ... Ive run my tt02 in with the tourers and its not fun or competitive ....

Not asking for adjustments to the class just saying that its what we were planing to do next week ... Join in if you like it close thats all, if you dont want to no biggy

Scott, when I heard 10.5T motors I simply got worried (all panty twisted if I am honest) about a power race. I don't care about disparity between cars, the F1s will be quicker. I don't mind. But I do care about ever increasing speeds as that will take away from the fun of Clubman.

If it eventually becomes a class where the cars feel as uncontrollable as off road or TC then meh...

PS:

"tamiya non jelly moulds tubs, non ball diffs, little carbon, closed gearing wanting to see sensibly paced closed rubbing of nice body shells"

Nice body shells? That rules me out ;) Till I get my Camaro shell painted I'll be running the TC body :( Boo for me I know...

I totally agree Guy ... I ran a torque tuned in my m06 and was completely out classed ... I don't want to get into the power race either, the whole gentleman speed power thing of the clubman makes the class it is, it would be a shame to see the cars get faster and faster at that point you may as well go to a class where there are rules and then you have a chance of being competitive.

Problem is there isn't a class where a lovely looking tamiya 10th is competitive unless its run with other lovely looking tamiya 10th's etc :-)

Scott

I think it going to roll on week in week out,as people run a different car each week it's impossible for someone to know what's in the gentleman's agreement or even what chassis is allowed!why not just run std kit,what ever chassis is run,they will be different speeds but that's from the chassis design and the std gearing the car is designed for?you won't get any closer racing than that for each class

Ok im up for that ... TT02 came with a torque tuned and tamiya esc kit gearing is already installed.

I am happy with my TL01 and Mardave's pace. We seem to usually run relatively close Scott. I didn't feel your M06 was that slow :) We ran fairly close... till I ran out of battery... twice.

Even pogo stick shocks?

I'm not too keen on totally stock classes, one chassis will become dominant and it'll be something like the TB04 class.

I find moding the cars fun and making a POS like the TL01 competitive against new TT02s. :) Why do you think I ran a Traxxas for so long?

Oh dear...... I thought clubman was just for fun? The week before I had a silver can in my F103 and it was quicker than my F104 that I ran this Friday. I will run my f103 with my silver can next week and let you guys moan about that as well.....

Im up for that too. Bit unsure what to do as TA02 is freakishly slow with my27t brushed, but too fast with 12/13t brushless. I could gear it down but that would give way too much acceleration, which it already already has and im already using the largest pinion possible.

I don't think we are having a moan Lee, its just the clubman class is new and a bit of debate as to where the class is going and if any restrictions need bringing in is always healthy.

At the end of the day, we want to get it right and listening to views on whats working/whats not is beneficial

That whole statement goes against what everyone is trying to stop,
If you have mods to your car to be on the pase of others,what chance does someone have running one as stock,no difference to what my car was on Friday,

To say one will be more dominent is clearly telling that you want to win,if you have a heat of 10 and 8 are running pure stock and nose to tail with 2 std mardave 2 laps down so be it as it's all for fun and whT your all after

Wimp:p

Having said that my silvercan was dangerously hot on friday, regardless of how I geared it!