Bury nw regional
 

A big well done to everybody today! Thanks to si and Eric in race control and thanks to Darren as race director today. Great weather and great racing.
Also good to see bury members representing 4 out of the 10 2wd A finalists!
That shows that we're not a load of bashers... :thumbsup:

Who designed the track????

I don't think I can take any credit for race control - that was all Eric.

And yes Buds there was a distinct correlation between designed and built the track, and getting in the A.....

From what I here there was nothing but complaints!!!! no where to overtake !!!like a slalom on a bowling green!!!

Actually you'll find that woody designed that lay out.... I just built it

A Few Comments on the Reg
 

Negatives:

Too much track jumping.

The track was too long and you squeezed way to much slow parts in the layout, with no where to overtake.

The standard of racing was disgusting properly not helped by the slow stuff.

The quads - problem was when other people got them wrong you hit them or they hit you. I have no idea why there run back to back, that's just stupid.

From what I heard that layout was setup a week in advanced and run the Sunday before which is a little unfair if true

Positives:

Well run and finished at a good time

Tony that is completely false. The track was come up with by woody and I set it out last night with rob mills. Last weeks track was totally different and didn't even involve jumping the quads. The quads worked fine in the higher heats but fair point lower down I can see how that could happen.

Ok that could be just people speaking shit and not sure who told me actually.

The quads - I landed on top of people a few times as I was jumping two which was the fastest way and they weren't.

Just maybe next time go over four and not eight jumps it reduces the risk.

Have you guys thought about re-profiling the quads?

To be honest by the end most people had got the knack of it, I think if any work should be done first it should be making the hump in the middle higher and more undulated a little like what kiddy have. The biggest problem we've found is everybody wants changes but it's always 3-4 usual suspect willing to put the work in...

Some blokes of a certain persuasion could enjoy that

Bud......

Any1 there last Sunday will tell you it was our club round 4 and was a very very diff track... Think no matter the way a track is set up is same for every single driver good and bad drivers which iam sure it was a Easyier track for people that can drive at alot higher standard than me but i enjoyed it

I think Tony does make some valid points in that overtaking places were limited and a mistake infront of you on the quads could cause you to hit them but I don't see it much different to the technical back section at Southport. In the lower heats where people have not mastered the art of getting accross people are rolling left, right and centre in front of you which gets you get caught up in as parts of that section aren't much wider than half our quads.

Local knowledge will always play a part on any track...I couldn't get round Southport quickly at all the other week for the simple reason I rarely race there.


Chris

My comments are only to help - not to slag anyone off.

I like Bury and will at some point race there I hope this year.

Not bothered about local knowledge - every track is the same.

Southport back section is a little different as you can just slow down and you will not lose that much time, the quads if you went over them slow (ie one at a time) your properly would lose 4/5 seconds a lap because there was eight bumps, I just thought two quads in succession was a bit daft because you make the hole track about one feature.

(Buds - I am glad you edited your comment, I did not see it but from what I was told they were nasty and un-called for)

Tony

Point taken, but it was a regional and we wanted to make it a reasonably difficult track. Bear in mind bury is quite an flat and easy track without those quads. But fair point

Yeah a good day in general , big thanks to Eric , I can sense a software change for bmrcc . And all the bmrcc boys for getting it running right
On the track topic , I think that it was enjoyable but possibly a little to technical in places like round the cross being a bit tight and slow , but also got skills up and was challenging , personally I prefer the quad jumps as a single item rather than split down the middle , I honestly think it keeps the race flowing more, ( not saying I could build a better track either so thanks to woody and Gav on that side of things )
But also other drivers and myself included found that as the day went on we got better and better at jumping it both ways , so it did help in that respect , and I suppose that's the point of racing . Always learning and adapting to the off road tracks,
Personally I think. Bury track is more suited to fast open flowing tracks at the min, with the big space we got it seems to work better , but I'm sure some modifications will be happening and things could always change .
Any way thanks to organisers track designers and builders I think everyone had a top day , and hope we get many more sunny regionals like it in the future

Big well done to bury lads in the A final, good showing.
Track seemed very tight, as this may be the reason for poor driving.
There was no way of pointing fingers at drivers cause so much corner cutting,taking out was going on.
Think im gonna become more ruthless in finals now, cause im sick of being at the front then being taken out and being dead last!!!

Nah mate don't do that, you usually find driving etiquette improves the higher finals you go, so aim to get higher without sounding patronising, keep your good etiquette. Don't lower yourself to being dirty. It's not your fault, if you're in front then the person behind has to give right of way to you and try and go around you cleanly and not through you. Sometimes though it may just be ability and driving errors, all it takes it somebody to brake too late and bang...... Isn't that right Elworthy.

Its swings and roundabouts, catch 22.
Drive that little slower and dont crash and get a clean run.
( this is what gets you taken out, as i noticed yesterday)
Or push harder giving more mistakes and crashes.
( this avoids being taken out)

Using the slow one got me 18/19 in round.
But for some reason i was in the C final, not sure how that could of been right.
In the final the slower dont crash technique doesnt work.

It's best 2 to count. And then if a few drivers have the same points then it's split on times.
Well ideally fast and no mistakes is the way. But I'd say make no mistakes and gradually pick up the pace. If you go slow people still shouldn't go through you, they should get past without taking you out. But, sometimes 'racing incidents' just occur. It's the way it goes in all formats of racing including 1:1

yeah best 2 18/19 thought was a cert for B final.
Supose it was a good job anyway would have got a whooping :thumbsup:

Yeah but 18+19 is 37 which prob puts you 8 or 9th in the B. it only takes two or three people with the same score as you with 37 to all have a quicker time than you and then you get pushed down to the C. In the A Chris, nick caro, myself and tony par all had a total of 13 Chris was highest as he got a 3rd in round so that beats us all, then it was nick as his fastest time was a few seconds faster than mine and then tony missed out on the A as I had a quicker time than his.
You with it?

Ahh i follow it, cheers

It was nothing I wouldn't say to your face and will do first time I see you

But you know the transition the club has gone through recently and you still think its ok to come into the bury section slag the cub off and the only positive you had was that Eric had done a good job which we all agree he did.

We don't need you to point out what the problems are as we are fully aware of them

I have no idea what your going on about.....

I gave genuine comments to the Bury meeting and the NW driving standard at this meeting, which Gavin and Chris took on board and agreed with me to a point.

I was aiming the well run meeting at all the Bury Crew, Woody, Booking in and Eric etc etc

Bit harsh to jump on the feedback there.

It was just some info on the layout for the club to do what it wants with it. If you don't agree then just ignore it.

Feedback taken but I can see where bud is coming from a little there tony, the only positives that it seemed you had given we're towards the srcc race controller. This is why people should talk about feedback or constructive criticism in person rather than on forums as sometimes things written down in text can be misconstrued and taken the wrong way. Lets just leave it at that boys eh.

The response to Tony's comments are more a sensitivity issue than anything else.
The driving standards part for example - the only penalty issued was to a non-Bury member, and as a result of an argument with another non-Bury member. The comment wasn't aimed at the club but I can see how people feeling defensive could think it was.

What I will add myself as feedback is that I'm really glad Eric did race control. I know most people in the region at least a bit now, and 90% of the time you are all sound guys but call a race a regional and I've never heard as much silly whinging about nothing, normally followed by a spot of rules quoting.

This stuff doesn't happen at club meetings so why bring it to regionals? Ok its a more 'major' event but its still racing toy cars in a field. Lighten up - its meant to be fun.....

I gave some comments to the club about this meeting and will not comment anymore. Some are on the track design and others are on the driving standards in the NW at this meeting hence I put it in the Bury Area.

I have given you the positives and the negatives and explained these in other posts. You take these comment on board or don't thats up to you guys. what I don't what to happen is for this to get personal at me which I feel It's getting.

Last point - despite what Bud has put I really like Bury and have been going Bury for 15+ years properly longer than most members and I will continue. I have no idea about the transitions as I am not a club member and my comments have nothing at all to do with these.

Bud if you have anything to say PM me.

Well this thread has taken a ludicrous turn for the worst. I believe Tony's original post was perfectly acceptable as he had a few constructive criticisms that I'd imagine he felt would spark some sort of debate...I mean come on! It's not as if far more people didnt spit their dummy out (myself included) after round 1 at Barrow and all their problems.
We are indeed in a transitional period but in order to move forward we sometime should at least listen to the opinion of non members as attracting these lads means more busy and vibrant meetings.

Admittedly the track yesterday was tough and thank god we didn't go ahead with the huge tabletop idea as that really would have caused chaos but all in all The meeting was run very well, there was a good turnout and the sun had his hat on!

Tony, please don't be put off posting here again because of this, criticism is always acceptable if valid .... I'm sure me or Gav will pull you up if we disagree! Ha!




Chris

You listed no positives to do with bury club and you also accused the club of breaching a fundamental brca rule.

How is that in any way constructive critisisam ?

You are wrong that's it

Don't want to get in a slanging match with you on here

I beg to differ! ;)

I had an awful days qualifying with electrical bugs and finished C10. I held back most of the race and finished up 3rd with having a good race with a few cars to get there, cleanly and enjoyable.


As for the Regional, I am enjoying the new Bury track, being that it was my 2nd time there since returning I enjoy the grip levels the track provides and the hugely varied layouts that can be done with the track hoses.

I will say I believe the X jumps need slightly reprofileing. Just tapping them send the car skywards, a better profile of the up and down slopes would make them absolutely spot on.

The quads were sodding difficult, I could manage the first section easy, however the 2nd set sent the car flying in odd directions for some reason and I know this happened for quite a few.
I would love to see these changed in to a rumble section and a triple - this would work well and keep interesting features.


I do realise there is always a core of members who throw the work in to any club, been there and done it my self. Please just take my ideas as just that, an idea!

Thank you for hosting a round of the regional series, it was a great day!


I will however say the 'scene' in the B final needs addressing ASAP - someone could of easily of been hurt cause of one drivers stupid behaviour.

I will however say the 'scene' in the B final needs addressing ASAP - someone could of easily of been hurt cause of one drivers stupid behaviour.[/QUOTE]

I saw this, and to watch someone literally try to full throttle their car into a marshals leg on purpose for not being quick enough was just sickening!!

I saw this, and to watch someone literally try to full throttle their car into a marshals leg on purpose for not being quick enough was just sickening!![/QUOTE]

Eh?! Who did that!?

Eh?! Who did that!?[/QUOTE]

Not sure, it was in the B final though. I was marshalling at the quads and saw it happen at marshal point 6 i think.

I Think I spoke to you! I was marshalling the quads and the loop and you whooped my ass at marshalling haha!

I missed this but if it is true then I hope that someone had words. We don't need this at bury or any other club.
On a lighter note I had a great day. Thanks to everyone involved.

Bains it was proberbly you "basher bains" ring any bells?

Haha I wish I was half way good enough to make the b final. Plus my driving is clean(er) these days