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Vintage racing at Yatton!!!!
Hi All,
Would anyone be interested in racing a vintage class at Yatton (Y.R.C.C) looking at maybe every other Tuesday. We would need a turn out of at least 8 drivers so we can run 2 heats. Rules would be 20years old and over. 21T motor limit. The track layouts would suit the vintage class and can be change each meet if need be. Would love some feedback from any one interested>>>>> |
I'm game isn't the motor limit ment to be 27t rob ?
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Im in guys. 21.5 brushless is the same as the old silver can.
Great wheel to wheel racing without stupid speed breaking your prize vintage RC! Mr Speedy has a JRX, we will try & get him on board! |
I didn't know you guys ran on a Tuesday!
I'd have to get a car, Kyosho of course, but am interested |
Paul what car you going to be running ?
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i'm up for this
don't have a vintage car yet but would buy one if this is a serious prospect |
If you are looking for a car here are some ideas as the need to be pre 1993.
Associated. RC10 RC10 Team Car Losi. JRX JRX2 JRX Pro JRX Pro SE Kyosho. Ultima Ultima turbo Ultima Pro Optima Optima Mid Lazer ZX Scorpion Tomahawk Schmancher Cougar Cougar 2 Pro Cat Boss Cat Cat Cat XLS Tamiya. Frog Wild Willy Grasshopper Hornet Hotshot Lunch box Avante Egress Astute Super Astute Yokomo Dog Fighter YZ870c Super Dogfighter YZ10 Works 91 Works 92 Works 93 No RC10 worlds, Losi XX, Kyosho Triumph, RC10b2 or Cougar 2000. |
Kyosho Ultima or RC10 for me :)
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Its a JRX2 actually :p
What brushless motors are we talking about then ... got 7.5 in it atm ... :thumbsup: |
What about your TM2 Paul, the performance of that was pretty vintage :p
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This looks like it could be fun any one els ?
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how about using stock electrics like the following 21.5t stock combo:
http://www.modelsport.co.uk/speed-pa...roducts/366856 Perhaps South West RC could do a deal for racers entering this class? This would give a truly even playing field in terms of motor/esc capability I'm on the verge of buying a Bosscat, would love a decision on this before I take the plunge |
Why not let people run what they have rather than having to buy more kit?
We've been running pre 94 vintage at Caldi for a few years and people have let the car define their motor limit (eg a 17.5 in a pb mustang, 10.5 in an rc10) It still comes down to driving ability and the mustang was faster over 5 minutes anyway, it's meant to be for fun after all! I'd love to do a bit more vintage racing:thumbsup: |
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Run what you brung pre-1992 makes more sense to me. Who cares what it's got in it! Dad is my old RC10 in the loft? |
I'm down for that as long as the car is old it don't matter what's in it
It looks like I will be the only one running vintage tamiya cars though but I do have a pro cat and a yz10 |
Everyone else has sense :p
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For my pennies worth, spares for vintage cars are not readily available and sometimes not cheap.
Yatton is a great facility but it has a lot of immovable objects like walls and steel pillars etc and when you hit them it hurts the car and your pocket! If the cars are to fast the likely hood of breakage's is going to be a lot higher than running some sensible motors like a 17.5 or 21.5T. Its not my driving im worried about, I could easily turn down my EPA and have a very drivable car, its other people with silly motors who are ballistic from one crash to another taking my car out and costing me a small fortune which has happened previously! Spec racing is also about everyone on a level playing field and having fun based on driving ability and not who has the faster car down the straight! Limiting the motor is the easiest way to get everyone around the same speed without getting into specifying tyes, blinky speedos and all the rest of it. Everyone should agree to turn off turbo functions to play fairly. OK with some research 21.5t motors are not cheaply available. How about 17T motors, thats an equivalent to an 27T old stock motor and Hobbyking do them sensor-less for as little as £15. You'd spend that on two sets of tyres without even thinking about it. |
We all have silver can / sport tuned and stock 27t motors lying around so that's wot I'm going to run with lipo up there bums there not that bad
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Surely Vintage racing should include Vintage running gear as well otherwise it isn't Vintage. An exception should be made for radio but speedos and motors should be Vintage or modern equivilent.
Vintage cars dont handle so well at high speed and if you start hitting track marking and other cars and breaking things people will get put off very quickly. You need to make it fun and exciting and when you have lots of cars the same speed it makes the racing. I wont be racing Vintage but just be careful how you set this up and try and get it right from the beginning so that people keep coming back for more. |
If everyone still has a brushed speedos laying around and brushed stock motors then im all for that, even less expense!
For this to work fairly we need a rule on motors so it can be fun as Alan said we dont want to put people off, we want them to come back for more FUN. Lipos are the only way to go, Nicads and Nimms are a pain & expensive. From my days as Mr Parma, I have a few boxes of stock motors brand new and sealed if people need them. Happy to pass them on at cost. :thumbsup: I think I even have some KO, Tekin and Novak brushed speeos BNIB if anyone needs one. |
Well going from caldicots experience they run it open. They don't have problems and they don't get breakages any more than the next class.
Most people don't have brushed/nicds kicking about so it's just as well to run some brushless gear that you already have and is maintenance free like caldicot run. If you run a kit silver can motor with lipos youll just be burning them out each meeting |
All rules aside there has been a lot of interest in this idea. I will put a couple of dates for a couple of race meetings to see how it goes.
As for rules. We can always run Separate heats with different class/rules. I have a CAT2000 my self which is not really old enough but if there are others of a similar age then we could run them together. I am sure we can have some great FUN racing with what ever works out. |
[QUOTE=Danosborne6661;784003]Well going from caldicots experience they run it open. They don't have problems and they don't get breakages any more than the next class.
Caldicot is a lot more open than Yatton and dosent have the vision issues Yatton has due to the mezzanine floor pillars. |
As an alternative to limiting electrics that peeps can run, how about running a vintage type spec tyre like this old style Schumacher 4 row spike -
http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Produc...rts/U6596.html Its available in a yellow compound so should be ok for grip, but only has 4 rows so would be pretty limiting in terms of power that could be used ... other clubs have run this with great success in vintage class :thumbsup: |
I think it's a great idea but everyone has to have the same motor to make it more interesting .It's not all about speed its having a good time with some mates what they do elsewhere is up to them.
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sounds awsome altho id love to see the carnage of a full heat of lunchboxes:thumbsup:
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Personally a tyre & motor spec would be a real leveller but capping the motor is the only real way to keep everyone at a similar controllable speed.
The tyres spec on its own would only go to make cars running fast motors even more uncontrollable with the possibility of causing more breakages. Andy Nelson has it spot on :) |
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if u like queens i supose but cars are ment to be used, with ppl running almost the same speed your going to get more bunching on the track = more carnage anyway
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RP, you seem to have misunderstood the idea behind this thread.
The idea is to gauge the interest in a regular Vintage race night and to establish by general consensus at set of rules so the racing is close, challenging and fun. The point about reducing speeds is one, vintage gear boxes go into melt down with modern fast brushless motors as many do not have slippers as on modern RC cars and secondly, so that over fast out of control cars dont finish up trashing other peoples expensive classic RC cars which spares are not either cheap or easy to obtain. Racing is not for shelf queens, I agree. |
This is what i think
Motor 27t brushed any make 21t brushless motor no boost our timing Batteries Nims 7.2v lipo 7.4v Speedo Any open Servo Any open Cars 1993 and older 2wd 4wd This should make for some close and fun racing |
Why doesn't this country have a fixed winding for a standard class in brushless. Whenever the subject is bought up, all the talk is about should we run 13.5t, 17.5t or 21.5t motor and everyone has different opinions.
Back in the day a standard motor was a 27t and basically all standard classes ran 27t motors, OK there was 35t at one time that ran in 1/12 a very long time ago. But what I'm trying to say is, if a certain wind was accepted as the standard motor in this country, just like the old 27t once was, then things would be a lot easier. In the US and Europe 17.5t seems to be the expected standard and they have had very successful racing off the back of it, perhaps this country needs to start following suit. If there two quick then putting them in blinky or removing the sensor lead is easy to regulate. Sorry if this sounds like a rant at you guys, its not at all and just my opinion on the rules for this country. Just need to see a motor set as standard class and anything less is a modified, just like the old days :) |
JMMN, you are right, its a contentious issue that always raises its head when standard class is discussed. Back in the day the BRCA and Radio Race Car series all ran a standard class so the manufacturers made standard 27T motors. Since brushless has come in standard class has not been run by the BRCA so there is no conformity. :confused:
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I'm with Jon Cryer, those look like a common sense set of rules to me and easy to follow without any great expence. :thumbsup:
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And as rob has sed if people won't to run faster motor there will be a outloaw class for them every body happy
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ok i've taken the plunge and bought a Procat
any chance of dates and confirmation of rules, maybe as there are varying opinions we could just make it a run what you've got sort of thing and see how it works out |
half way thru building a mad max style roll cage for my buggy with a stupidly big motor running 3s aiming straight for the tamiya!!! as always :wub
think its good trying a vintage night and some "lose rules" to help aim it in the right direction will help keep it interesting |
Haha Mart,
That thing sounds like it more suited for the bmx track:woot::woot: You need to take up drag racing :rolleyes::.....5s on 2.5t motor.....that might be fast enough for you.....or not :thumbsup: The club is in the word Vintage......you have enough other cars.....get yourself something over 20 year old, check this list at the beginning of the thread & join in the fun :thumbsup: |
Lol Martin has plenty of classics cars rc10/traxxas trx1 and so on he can't stop vying them now he has met me lol
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