Going to cause trouble this
 

Marshalling

It has not been the best so far this year :thumbdown:

People leaving their posts and no replacement marshal (time wasted for a volunteer)

Looking at the race not the track in front of them.

I'm sorry i'm old school but i was always told "marshal how you would like to be marshalled" This to me means if you see a car/cars starting to crash START MOVING it may not happen but if it does you will be there quicker :thumbsup:

What can be done my thoughts are

Reduce time in between heats so people dont have enough time to go back to the pits

Remove your hi viz vest after you have marshalled and wave it at race control so they can issue a penalty if the next race has started.

And my last one could upset some :eh?:
B finalists to marshall the A finals as this will mean no need for volunteers and will hopefully be more experienced :thumbsup:

I'm only trying to make things better for the region

Well thats it my name is now going to be s**t but someone has to say it.

agree
 

yep 100%

Perfect :thumbsup:

Agree compleatley.......

Don't your B Finalists marshall the A Final Danny?

XThis is oviously aimed at all the other racers Dan, because you "never spin or crash?":-)) so will not need marshalling.

I would take this more seriously if you didn't shout at a young marshal before your car had stopped rolling.

There are some genuine points about Marshalling. However, Mr Pot, I believe there is a soot covered kettle awaiting a comment about its appearance.

:mad:Marshalling can be bad at most events, but i have the out look that its not the marshalls fault that you spun or crashed, the driver only has himself to blame, so be polite and say thankyou when you have been put back on the track for your mistake, and from personal experience the worst drivers for shouting at marshalls are possibly the worst marshalls themselves.:thumbsup:

I agree in part to this, the quality of some of the marshalling could be better, I did see a couple of cases of people with their back to the part of the track they should be marshalling at he last regional, I also think in some cases the position of the marshall points should be given far more thought, as you build a track you need to think how it will need be marshalled!

But our biggest problem is multi class racers, if you have the 2wd A final straight after the 4wd A and short course you can have 2,3 or 4 people doing both races, thus you need volunteers, now on paper you already have 20 racers busy either marshalling or racing,then you will have some in the pits wanting or needing to work on cars, you have one racer from the last final doing a refereeing stint on the rostrum, so volunteers are starting to get thin on the ground, then when the race is under way they get shouted at.....so they think sod that next time round!

simple answear, if you race more than one class, and it causes a situation were you cannot Marshall the race after yours or the final you need to YOU MUST SUPPLY A MARSHALTO REPLACE YOU,IF YOU CANNOT YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO START YOUR RACE and you will have to marshal. Also the person you supply must be able to do the job, and must be a BRCA member.

And its up to you, not the race director or referee to sort out

Also on the subject we do at some meetings have some very young racers, now Im 110% for this as the young are the future of the hobby, but in one case a young lad who's feet were a good 4inches from the ground when he sat on the seat at his marshal point, was marshalling one of the nastiest and hardest parts of the track and realy should have been swapped to safer position for the sake of safety

I allways try and marshal the best I can and sometimes can take longer to get to a car than maybe someone would expect.
But what I dont like is someone standing on the rostrum shouting and screaming at a marshal as the way I look at it is that if you need a marshal then you are the one that has made the mistake.
The truth is that no one whats to do marshaling but its just something that we need to all do you will never police it fully as some people will stand and talk to others use there phone or even take photos whilst they are marshaling.
Now the only way is to put forward a standard level of marshaling that you would expect to be followed at each meeting and that needs to be enforced by the regional rep or the club running the meeting.,
This still does not elimate all the problems as it was mentioned at the coastal regional that people would have penalties if they did not marshal and these were not enforced I know this as I marshaled more rounds than what I should have done to fill in gaps.

Nope

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Common sense
 

The rostrum should always be a quiet place, swearing especially is out of order, everyone knows that, it's up to your race director to tell/kindly remind the drivers at drivers briefing to marshal your part of the track if its been an issue in the past. This is not rocket science and there's no need to put it on a forum, just like the dms section palaver

I know Colin will be taking in all your points on marshaling and is always at hand if you are not happy with something on race day, just find him and talk to him, and he will do his best to sort the issue out. :thumbsup:

marshalling
 

Prime example of how its meant to be done,go to maritime racing and get a few pointers from a Mr Ian Knight.
His way is the best i have seen of how to run a meeting.
He is blunt and to the point,but everybody knows thats the way it is or go home.

Would like to comment but i'm now having no views on anything on forums. All i was trying to do is improve things for future meetings.
The EOE series has moved on a lot since last year and would like that to carry on :thumbsup:

I have marshelled for callum (girlfriends 7 year old) when he has been drawn to marshall on jumps or awkward sections for his saftey ive also fallen foul to bad marshalling this year of which the mistake has been my fault or not my fault on one occasion i was on my roof for over 10 seconds on a 20-30 second lap it hurts your time ..... Haveing raced for 20 odd years ive was always told to marshall as i would like to be marshalled . I have made mistakes and took a 1/8th buggy to the head but over all the classes ive raced ive been blessed with good marshalling ..the eoe mashalling this year has been shocking at times and it needs to be sorted for everyone.

Seems that the same arguments about marshalling do not go away. I always found that marshalling was the best bit about my race day, I was consistently nimble through the corners, lasted a whole race without breakage and thanks to a sensible choice of footwear had plenty of grip:thumbsup:
If someone is gobbing off on the rostrum, hold their car up in the air until they pipe down and learn some manners, simples:p

I don't race in your region, but know people that do, so thought an outsiders view might be good.

i have not read all of the comments yet but just to clear a couple of bits up. at colchester we had 'A' finals after one another due to fact it was 3leg 'A' finals and one leg for all others. hopefully this sunday it will be 'C' to 'A' leg 1, then repeated etc. i have an that we will be trying this weekend too.

Agree completely with tyreman regarding those running two classes.

I don't understand the 'if they wanna do two classes, make them find a stand in Marshall' posts.

It's normal around regions all over the uk to have drivers competing in both 2wd & 4wd classes. Just because we happen to run both on the same day shouldn't prevent it... It's not the drivers fault.:thumbdown:

It can only become a problem marshalling when: a) you qualify at the bottom of one class & the top of the other, b) you're placed in different ability heats for each class, or c) the race organisers run the finals in a funny order:woot:

I will try to answer a few questions for those that don't race in our region.

1st off, we run both classes on the same day as when the AGM took place I don't think anyone would believe the numbers we are getting this year, if we had run 2wd and 4wd on different sundays last year we would have got about 12 people at 2wd and 8 in 4wd...makes for a dull day. this is also the reason short course was brought in to the region, to boost attendance as in general it was a case of getting as many people to race as possible....then out of the blue 50+ booked into the 1st meeting:woot:
now yer the region could dump short course half way through, nice for those who spent a small fortune on one to race.

2nd on the marshal front, yer I understand due to the fact both classes are run on the same day you have a right to race, but some of the clubs don't have more than 3 to 4 people at the venue, so sorting a volunteer from the club can be tricky. but not impossible but will lengthen the time the meeting will take as you will have to delay to find marshals to cover empty points.....this means the meeting will take hours, and it would seem from the last meeting some racers don't want to be home late, but thats another bag of worms.:bored:

3rd would be interesting to see if the numbers held up if we were to separate the classes to different meetings on different days as I wonder how many would dump a class as they wouldn't want all the extra travel??? i know I would have to as my son races 2wd and I race 4wd so I can watch him race, I would have to dump 4wd as I live 90+miles each way from most meetings and simple cant aford the cost of travel or the extra sundays

Couldn't agree more.

To those running in more than 1 class you should look at the heat listings more closely when they are posted and point out any potential problems you may have to race control so they can help you.
It is YOUR responsibility to marshal the race after your own not the clubs.

Personally I thought the marshalling standard had been pretty good compared to previous years.

There is always room for improvement though.


My feeling on some of the posts is that racers should abide by the BRCA rules if they want to compete in a regional championship. For those that haven't read them they cover more than just batteries and motors!!