Which starter Buggy for Goshen
 

Hi I am New to all this,

Looking at joining the club just for fun,

bought a Maverick Ion Xt as a small play toy, which started the ball rolling.

Looking for something a little more now, to come and race for fun and also bashing,I think the phrase is,
Now I know a little about short course trucks, and rock crawlers, as that's what drew me to the hobby, I am an active member on another forum

I really fancy a short course truck 2wd looking at the Traxxas Slash, or Hpi blitz,

What is the short course scene like at Goshen, or would I be better going down the buggy scene?

And if so I font have a clue with buggys, what's a good starter buggy thats sub £200, there just looks soo many,

Cheers for any help

i am selling mine check http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126286
i have put a new body on it now i will be at bury sunday ill take £220

2WD Buggys are the way!

Trucks are few and far between at the moment at Bury.
You best of grabbing a buggy for sure.

The whole UK scene is pretty big.

Thanks rapidrubberwill,
If I was not looking to play down at Goshen I prob would
I was planning on a visit this Sunday if I can, but think I may go down the buggy route,as I had a feeling the short course was a very limited scene,
Just need to pick one,,

What about Team Durango DEX210 rtr

Loads of racers using the 210 at Bury, me included :thumbsup: ! good car to have and seem quite strong.

the 210 gets my vote:p

For me you should go for the hobao h2 far better car cheaper and the 210 needs a number of essential upgrades to really get it working properly. Go for the hobao h2, and the fact I don't run one shows I'm not bias I just think for the price they're unbeatable and they're quick!

I must agree with Gav, The H2 looks pretty good.

So much so I thought about one myself, £130 brand new cant go wrong.
You would need a few bits, Like springs etc... as the kit ones are NAFF by all accounts. But LOSI BB's fit.

I'd agree that the Hobao H2 looks a good bet but if I'm not mistaken JE Models are selling the 210 rtr for £180 at the moment and at that price you literally cannot get anything better cheaper.

I'm assuming the £200 you mention is including electronics and radio gear?


Chris

Mmm then I would just need all the radio gear n a motor n Lipo batteries,

Lots of motors going cheap, what would be a good one to start with

Could I use my maverick controller

Depends on what turn motor you decide on and your speedo has to be able to handle the motor so they go hand in hand.

Your best bet to get kitted out on the cheap is look on oople's for sale section for better gear for cheaper prices. Most of the rtr gear isn't very good at all and you'd end up buying everything twice spending more in the long run

I'm selling a B4.1 Associated buggy RTR-radio gear, electrics, tons of spares and a Lipo-£100
I,ll be at Goshen on Sunday racing a red Losi SCT, come and speak if you interested

The 210 RTR is actually £169 not £180. But whether its a better buy than the H2 is debatable - the RTR version has the flexy and fragile DIMEC chassis and the electrics are a rather slow 13.5t (max 9.5t) system so it would need upgrading pretty quickly. Also the RTR is actually rear motor so you'd need to buy a few parts to convert to a mid motor which is what you want for Goshen - and most other tracks in fact.

That said I've seen 3 H2's running at meetings now and all 3 have retired due to breakages so maybe the H2 needs some bits too!



Best to come down and see what people are running. There is normally something for sale, and you can get a feel for whats popular. The big advantage of something like the 210 is that many of us use them so you don't need to set it up by yourself.

Short course has gone a little quiet but I think its a phase thing. Last year we had a good truck class but it really boiled down to a few drivers who were really into the class and this encouraged others. When they moved to buggys the class kinda died. If we get a few more hardcore truckers it will soon revive though.

Thanks Guy's,
Two offers n loads of advice :-) I will try and get down on Sunday for a look around n chat,

Si I am not ashamed of coming last maybe the 210 is a good buy, then I can invest into the upgrades,


Silverfox, how old is the car n is it the same spec as on Je?

Crutch
The B4.1 is 18 months old, it is in good condition, probably raced 6 times it has an Etronix 9 turn and esc plus loads of factory bits- turnbuckles, bulkhead brace, motor mount etc also 5 sets of wheels and pretty much at least 1 spare for very part of the buggy. If you interested come and speak on Sunday, I will bring all the gear down so you can have a look. Selling because I just moved to 4wd for this season and bought an XB4

To be fair si, how much of those 3 breakdowns were down to poor workmanship as supposed to car failure and to be fair one of the drivers of those hobaos drivers amazingly somehow built the car in rear motor configuration BY MISTAKE?! So I wouldn't go of that..

Thank you for that Gavin, I was going to ask that question, as the hobo is looking a likely contender,

The cvd snapped part way along the shaft, so I doubt thats a workmanship issue more a faulty part. Having read the manual it is rather poor at describing how to build the car rear motor though you would hope to notice it was the wrong way round!
Others were a front upright and a rear wishbone and neither driver had spares (and nobody else had an H2 at all so that ended the day).

Its not statistically large enough as a sample to say either way but all I'm saying is that suggesting the H2 is more robust has little supporting evidence either.

Critch,

Silver fox is offering you a pretty good deal there! As you have already eluded too, you don't want to spend before getting advice from the guys at the track.
I would be making the effort to get down on Sunday and check out that deal and speak directly with the lads and see the cars. As you can see on here, we are a friendly helpful lot

Darren

Ill be running a H2 on sunday.
Not used it in a meeting yet as im just testing, and so far its really nice to drive. I got mine really really cheap to play with to compare with my Sv2. And with a few additions here and there its already easier to drive.
Some of the parts are really weak, and some are tough, so once you get past this then there should be no problems.
Come over and have a look at mine on sunday before you buy

Dwales I am 99% sure I will be down on Sunday,
My only reservation is the engine mounting is not mid it has been pointed out that this is prefered and the kit to move it it 160 quid does this really matter?


Can I just say what a great and informative group,

Mid motor does make a massive difference, but truth be told when you are starting out not hitting the barriers is more important than where your motor is.
Yes, upgrading a B4.1 to mid motor is another £160 but the C4.1 is one of most successful mid motor buggys out there so whilst you can hold off the upgrade at first when you make it it will be worth it.

Or you could get the B4.1, run it for a while whilst you learn the ropes, then flog it on and get something else later. This is a good plan because whilst its not as quick as the mid motor cars on our high grip track, the B4.1 is a great car for beginners - tough, easy to setup and look after and nice and stable to drive.

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and jonny nitros snapped a back drive axle on the shaft id stay well away

a 210 is the way mate yu will be fine and wont find better cheaper and spares are plentyfull

:thumbsup:

New drivers should be more concerned with learning to drive and not bouncing off most of everything, and less worried about how many hop-ups they have managed to bolt on their car.

Experienced drivers can benefit from the best of rigs and the latest advances, new drivers just prove they can knock down the walls with more expensive equipment as easily as they can less expensive equipment.

Steer clear of the 210 it's ball diff is awful and jonny and si have one so they're biased.

Nothing wrong with the ball diff when built properly and if ya don't like it try a gear diff. The options there
Personally I'd just get the rtr and start racing
And take it from there
The b4 is a good car to mind , but the 210 is stronger
And better
Gav just biased cos he's got a fragile kyosho

Jonny are you serious?..... The rb6 is a tank and probably the toughest car out there and everyone would back that up. The only downside of the car is the price.
And besides I'm not recommending the rb6 it's a unbiased opinion upon the H2 pro. For the money you can't beat it and they could easily have priced it at £200 and it would still sell

Oh my what have I started,So when I come down on Sunday I will easily spot you all,
Si you will be hiding in the cabin,
Gavin n Jonny will be stomping on each others cars,

LosiChris, thanks I will pop over and see you and silverfox,

I supposed that it a very good point Robby,

Let's see what Sunday brings,

Ill
 

The 210 rtr is by far the best option out there in price vs performance at the moment £169 is a steal IMO. It has to be said that the 210 ball diff can be a little troublesome if not built correctly but if I am not mistaken the 210 rtr comes with a pre built geared diff which is ideal for somebody starting out due to reliability and low maintenance.

As has been mentioned earlier you will not feel the benefit of a mid motor car until you have mastered at least the basics of car control and getting around without crashing. The Hobao H2 is also a good option but does not come as a rtr car so will end up costing more to get up and running and to be honest there have been quite a few reliability issues with them. The B4.1 is a reliable car with plentiful spares support but if you wished to upgrade to a mid motor car it would mean the c4.1 conversion kit which is a bit pricey at £170.

I am advising you here with absolutely no bias, I run the Schumacher SV2 I just believe that the 210 rtr is an absolute steal for a beginner, it's cheap, strong and can be easily converted to the mid motor configuration fairly inexpensively with the mid motor conversion kit fr

on the h2 note, ive just had a play at the track,had a small scale flip and broke a rear shock tower. the plastic looks thick and strong but it really is brittle. id steer clear for a beginner!!

H2 is frgile, my mate has had 2 of them for him and his son and they break at the thought of hitting anything.
So far rear hubs, front hubs, front bulkhead and both shock towers.
Nice to drive but I'd personally go for the 210 having owned one last year thay are pretty tough.

After speaking to them at Je and a very nice gent in the shop at the time,(rides a Rc8 nice bike)
The hobao is prob not the best choice for me,
So I will have a shuffty at silverfoxs generous offer n make a decision

Gavin you are wrong as the RTR 210 comes with the gear diff. The 210 ball diff is a pain but the gear diff is bomb proof. Filled and fitted properly it will do a years racing without needing looking at. I've recently rebuilt mine, fitted new seals etc but really only so I could add the lightweight outdrives.

Otherwise the 210 is tough. When you consider what mine and Johnnys go through and just keep going.....

But in the interests of fairness and unbiasedness I should point out that the 210 RTR has one critical difference to our 210's - it has the +8mm Dimec chassis. Which has a reputation for snapping. Add the cost of fitting an alloy chassis to a 210RTR and its not a cheap proposition at all.

That said I'm considering getting one myself. I'd flog the electrics on ebay to recoop some of the costs and I'd basically have a complete 210's worth of parts for around £120. Now considering that includes a full set of Durango big bores, a full set of bearings, a pair of driveshafts, a gear diff etc has got to be cheap.


I should point out that whilst I own a 210 I have driven an H2 and would in fact have run Johnny's in the next round if the driveshaft hadn't snapped. So its not bias its personal experience. :p

The difference is Johnny's car already looks like someones stomped on it, whereas Gavin crys if he gets a single spec of dust on his. The funny thing is that their full sized cars follow this trend too!

After speaking to the guy at Jemodels,

He advised the 210 would be better for me rather than the H2, which I thought was v honest considering he would make more money on the H2, with
all the extra parts I would buy,

So I am pretty sure the H2 is now out of the picture,

At the moment I am very drawn to silverfox's car so will see what Sunday brings