SO what would you buy if you had the choice
 

between

Schumacher K1

Associated RC10 44.2

Xray 4

All priced within a few quid of each other, anybody any Input pros and cons to either

thankyou and Happy Friday

Only out of those 3? The K1.

ive just read a massive thread on them

What others were you thinking ?

What about a durango 410v3

The yokomo bmax4 is at mb models now with full spares backup. I'd go for that myself :)

Now if only I could find 350 quid...

Tamiya 511

Tamiya 502

Durango

Team C

Predator

Kyosho Lazer

Yokomo

I guess Losi...

New Vega 4wd

ok thanks i,ll take a look

Ok brushless motor help

Which competition motor would you all buy, Mid range and High end.

Also Battery what Lipo make is powerful and long lasting, sorry for all questions but its ages since ive driven

i like the look of the yokomo but as it seems hard to buy the actual car apart from MB, spares may not be as readily free as the schuy or Rc10

or am i talking poop lol

the Schuy an RC10 alot of places stock them,

I had the choice and I bought a B44.2.

Why you ask?

Schumacher still have to prove to me that their cars arent still made out of cheese, and I will never trust that awesome 1940's technology "Belt Drive".

Xray are the new kids in 1/10th so far as I know, and I dont trust new things. not until they've proven themselves, and they havent.

Durango, nope. Just nope. I like my electrics to fit in the car. I also dont like having to buy new electrics to allow this to happen. Theres more room in a fly's ass crack...

I'd rather have something that just works, straight out of the box than something I am required to buy an option part for before its "settled" as well. That might just be the tight arsed yorkshireman in my speaking though...

M2P

AC

Very good Points AC

Associated and SChumacher have been around since i started in the 80s, However schuy only came into my view late 80s RC10 i always swooned at, i still bet them though in my faithful hotshot, but they were only 2wd back then

I,ll chew on it tonight and make my decision tomorrow.

Gotta think of which brushless motor to choose for raceing.

anyone know what the ferrari/novarossi of the brushless world is

I use Vampire, I dont have much experience, but I've never driven anything smoother...

For cheapness, Hobbywing, if you need a name on it Speedpassion, if you want something good that you wont need to replace for years and years, Vampire. Thats my opinion.

AC

Xray xb4

Do keep looking at the X-ray, but again seems a bitch to buy, so parts may be an issue, also new kid on the block.

Thanks for,motor advice I,ll have a look at the vamp

Are belt drives prone to failure anybody know, ie would a shaft driven car be better

I am not sure u are talking any sense.
I can't see problems with the strength of Schumacher cars since they must have been one of the top racers choice for the last 20+ years.
Xray needing to prove themselves, I don't think so, every class they enter into frightens all other manufacturers due to quality of design and manufacture.
I have no experience with Durango but always a way to get the electrics in one way or another.
I must say as general racers go I don't think there is a bad car, it is what u like the look of and will enjoy working on.

That's also my opinion!

I've had the Durango DEX410V3 and was very satisfied with it! The electronics fit without a problem.
Schumacher cars are very strong!

Now I went to the Xray, wanted to try something new :). I'm going to build the car this week!

Kurtz what are the parts like for the X-ray?

Have they always been available easily or have you got to stick with a few suppliers ?

What brushless do you run

I'm going to go to my local today and ask

Personally i am liking the Schumacher k1 and not had any problems with belts so would recommend one of them would'nt go for the Xray just yet as it's unproven and not sure if theres any top end drivers running the car for set up advice and not sure what spares availbility is like

As far as electrics i don't think there's abad one to say away from so all the top makes are good

That's your opinion, I gave mine. Whether you agree with them or not doesn't interest me, those are the reasons I used to inform my choice. That and the opinions of well informed friends. Not trying to insinuate that your opinions aren't well informed, but as far as I know, you may in fact be the Stay Puffed Marshmallow man...

When I nudged, and I do mean nudged, the back end of a Cat SX being driven by someone at a club meeting and his car broke, I'd call that less than strong. Also the fact that they are belt drive puts me off. Belt drive went out with the Ark.

Then I'm sure in a year once this has been proven I'll end up buying one and running it for ever. Until the proving it part happens, they can stay on the shelf as far as I'm concerned.

There was, buy a new set of electrics. Oh wait... didn't I put that in my original post? I had one, tried to fit gear in, wouldn't go. Had a mate try to fit gear in, still wouldn't go... I think maybe that's because it just wouldn't go!

Best thing you put in your post. Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one... Bottom line is whatever you buy you could love or hate, just do your research before hand and everything will be golden.

AC

Ok guys I've done it I bought 2

K1 and 44.2 I decided against the X-ray for 2 reasons

No one had stock and parts were all to order I cannot be arsed waiting If I want a part I wanna be able to collect it, I will get a X-ray at some point but at present the two I have have an abundance of support. The X-ray is a very good piece of kit but I would like to see more support and stock before I commit

Both sat on my table waiting for me, im excited.

You bought two? WOW.

Jimmy

My opinion are my own but ur are welcome to ur wrong opinion. :lol:

In relation to the original thread the thing that puts me off the associated is the imperial screws just a pain when everyone else is metric.

Research is ok but sometimes silly things can put u off a kit, like belt drive, or bodyshell shape or even the colour of the anodizing (sorry for spelling). :lol:

Opinion is like..............:p:p:p:p

K1 myself. Belt drive the future

gonna put daughter in bed then start doing the K1

My guess is your going to prefer the k1, just a hunch! :p

1/3 way through build diffs a bitch esp when I don't have a c ring tool. and putting all those little balls in the holes man.

but quality is very good

no balls to worry about i the XB4, geared diffs :)

And I thought the k1 ball scenario was a bitch, the rc10 is even worse.

I did the diff, then I saw that you had to place 6 tiny ball bearings on a washer and feed it into the shaft. Called thrust bearings

Son lost one, so I've now gotta buy some more, but I managed one, don't really see what they will do inside there but man surely a washer with bearings on would have been easier

The head of the diff bolt needs to spin freely in relation to the outdrives it's sat in, a bearing wouldn't do the job because it needs to take the force of the diff spring sideways while still being free. If you asked a bearing small enough to fit to do that the poor thing would just crumble.
Loads of 1:10th ball diffs are like this it just takes a little patience and practice, you can go for it with the black grease which will hold the balls in place as you position them. Be sparing with the clear diff grease on the main diff balls though. Using lots will make it feel super smooth on the bench but will slip badly when you put it on the track.

your Names looks Familiar Richard, you used to race at ABC didn't you ?

Yes! I started racing at Aire Valley in 1992 when I was 8, still racing today :D

Obviously speaking from a biased point of view with limited driving skills.
But now running the K1, after running the Tamiya 511 and Durango 4wd cars, I can't believe how much quicker I am going. I know there were a lot of drivers missing from Worksop UK indoor masters, but I've rarely been near a B final before, and to get 4th in the B on Sunday was my best result ever.

As a relative measure, I was catching and overtaking drivers I had previously only either let lap me, or watched from a marshall point.

The car was very easy to drive, with great corner rotation I could balance on throttle.

And a note on belt drive, I consider this atleast as reliable as shaft. Having run the 511 for 3 years with zero belt / pulley issues, and so far so good on the K1, it's very difficult to understand why anyone would consider belt drive to be outdated technology. Sureley a belt drive with great durability and diff enclosure, is a benefit over Shaft ... but please, let's not start belt v shaft again.

you pays ya money , you make a choice.

I run a B44.1 in fact i purchased one of the last kits.

Then i purchased another but secondhand.

Spares are plentifull , it's a sweet car to drive and it doesn't the first time it see's the stage.

But....i do like that K1.

I think I rem your name, I went to my dads today and saw my trophy from the E class finals in 1986 some county meet I think it was. I came 1st I think Richard Isherwood won A class in his new fangled CAT,

Im unsure if you can remember but 2 lads used to race from Bramley, he had a green car cant rem the name, 4wd and his mate some fattish guy always looked unwashed LOL, Craig seems to ring a bell but cant remember.

I do also rem one guy I saw him a year or 2 ago whilst out rock climbing with my brother, he was a climber also called Ben.

Good times.

I have to say Chris im just about to build the shockers and the engineering in it is amazing , everything just seems quality.

QQ to you sir, im puzzled at how quick one would change a belt if it snapped. Quickly or isn't that the case.

Im building it and I seem to thing its well locked away :)