2nd June - LDA tyres
 

Woody - so what’s the plan at LDA for tyres as the NW is open class for tyres. Are we going to spec tyres here? I don’t want to go out and buy tyres what may or may not work at a large cost?

Tony

Hi Tony,

Sorry, I know you aimed this at Woody, but I don't think you need to spec a tyre. Hotshots work reasonably well, however most people use silver mini spikes.

Why don't you come this Friday and get a feel for it? This Friday will be in the main arena where I expect Mark will put the regional track. We normally use the smaller side one so this will be a good chance to get a flavor of things to come.

Be good to see you and anyone else there.

Thanks.

There is no tyre rule.

Silver Spikes, are the key.

Apparently silvers clog up and that's not what Mark runs.

This is a very different surface to what we run normally and if the track was grass, astro or carpet any tyres will work and I would not give a flying sh1t, but it's not.

If I turn up and people are running tyres that are not normal for the uk then what happens then? I just want clarification of what tyres work and what does not.

Surely it's in the clubs interest for this type of track to spec tyres.....

Tony

blue minispike They work and rib front tyre

would proline step pins not work? thats what use to be used at tiverton which was the same type of surface(horse s**t)?

blue minispikes and ballistic buggy tires give reasonable grip. However, the tyre that MArk uses is not a "normal" tyre, but is commercially available, I understand. Can't remember the name of them right now though.

it seems the harder the compound the better the grip - not sure how that turns out when all the loose stuff is off the racing line and the hard surface underneath comes into use.

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Guys I'm with Tony probably won't be attending this regional unless the tire situation is sorted we need to nominate a tire so that it is fair to all and not just home advantage, nothing worse than turning up and not being prepared with tires etc especially if you are doing two classes on one day.

Seems to be a lot of people concerned with this regional and if your not careful not many will attend.

Whats all the fuss about , i remember last year at southlakes i think every different car in a heat were on different tyres , tyre choice is part of racing if people are that bothered then go too a club meeting and do some testing see what works best for you i know thts what ill be doing , theres 4 month before this regional so plenty of time so get some testing in the club runs every week

Couldnt agree more, you cant expect drivers to share what theyve been testing for weeks and weeks. Where would the advantage be on race day? if you want to know what works best, go and see for yourself!!

But a little help on what tyres to chose will make the day more enjoyable. The better the day, the more likely people are to return to the club as they know its good. If you spend your runs changing tyres then it won't be as fun.

Too True!

Ive got my setup bang on for LDA, But Southlakes & Barrow are an unknown.
I'm not moaning about tyres!

LDA is on every Friday night, There must me 10+ meetings to test tyres before the regional

Sorry guys I am not moaning I just want to know what tyres people are running - How can I go on Friday night for a practise if I don’t have tyres.

Matt what tyres do you run?

Although it is completely baffling how you can compare Southlake’s and Barrow which are on grass to LDA.

What tyres do you run Chris ?

I agree with Matt, turn up with some mini spikes you'll be fine. Some debate on which compound is best, blue or silver, I think Mark running ballistics.

And we had a great night racing on Friday, in the larger hall where the regional will be, but how many of you turned up to try the place or do some testing?

It was that good people were asking Mark to add an extra round in, even though it meant a late night, we had a vote and over 2/3's wanted the extra round. It was a really good nights off road racing.

LDA are having a GP day on the 17th of March so why not get booked in? You'll have a good days racing, understand what works and leave with a set up for the regional?

To cold, dirty, smelly, noisey for me :woot:

Watched the videos and did the surface stay that loose all night ?

Plus, it looked very "open" for tenth. A tad boring!

Have to agree with you there Mike, the track did look really loose in that vid, some big rooster tails, might try a pair of these....

http://www2.gpmd.com/image/h/hpic4412.jpg

Could just be how it showed up in the vid though!

:p :p :p

I understand the concerns expressed. Although Schumacher minis apparently work is something more exotic and less common in UK supply going to give a competative edge.

Hopefully as the regional gets closer more meetings will have been run and we will get a much better idea of the "best" tyres.

Tony, LDA Drives like a grass track with no grass...

I run silvers on my Vega, Ive got it dialled, PM me your email address il send you my setup sheet.
There is a loose layer, but that quickly gets moved to the side, The racing line develops really nicely into an almost sticky clay.

Its a really great surface!,

Also don't forget the track in the video is for 1/8th so it is alot bigger. I think it was way to big for 1/10.

If you would like to no what works at the south lakes why not pop up before our regional in august and find out .


http://slmcc.freeforums.org/outdoors-2013-t1557.html

We are at the regional site full time as from march :thumbsup:

Are you sure ur talking about LDA ? it stats loose and gets looser. i saw birms developing of line last time. its a million miles away from any sort of clay track. think more racing on the beach with added sh1t... :p

The sticky clay is horseshit LOL.

It does clean down to a hard clay surface. Eventually. In small areas.

I used Schumacher Green Mini Spike fronts and Yellow Mini Spikes on the rear. Worked well enough, but I think if you could find a tyre that has slightly bigger spikes with slightly bigger gaps between the spikes it would work a treat. I don't think the compound is all that important as long as they're kinda softish. Schumacher full spikes are too far the other way.

Too much grip could be a problem too as a lot of cars, especially the Nitros, were grip rolling violently at the end of the straight.

So, in the mean time Mini Spikes are tried and tested..

Jimmy

Its normally used for horses, like the venue used for Noel Nitro. Those guys used machines to take the top layer of loose dirt off to get to the clay underneath. At LDA the owner rolls the top but as the racing goes on the loose dirt is pushed to the outsides of the corner so berms start to appear and to me this is when the track is at its best.

On Friday this happened much sooner in the meeting with the 8th cars buzzing around. Anyone who didn't come missed out, these cars are designed to race on dirt after all.

I think if this is going to be a venue for a regional then the surface needs prepping correctly, not just laying down pipe on horse shit and running tractor tyres.

Rolling and packing correctly like all the other dirt venues have done. The opportunity is there to make something special, Im sure Mark realises this or he wouldnt be trying so hard to get it going.

Proline dirt arena

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps37e68e8c.jpg

RHR dirt :wub

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/u...psa9b44972.jpg

Harper Adams NEO

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps548133a3.jpg

not 100% true sir. i was at the noel event talking to wez. they hoped to take the layor of dirt of and uncover clay, however what thay found was not clay but more like composted wood chip and horse poop. thats why all the jumps bar the big one (which was coverd with astro to stop crumbling) were dug out of the ground rather that being shaped above. i believe the Dirt works team (noel nitro) plan to import 30ton of clay to shape for the upcoming bunny boiler cup. Also it takes a team of around 20 people a week to build the 1/8th neo buggy meeting every year down at the harper addams collage. But hay im sure the LDA lads are more than up to the challange and i cant wait for the regional event. :thumbsup:

Mike, this is already something special and it is already a regional venue.

This dirt can't be compacted to be the same as Neo or RHR because it doesn't stick together, when it does berm up the ground underneath is hard and clay like.

Come on guys, lets get behind this and start to think of positives, instead of thinking what we can't and negatives. Its a track, same for everyone and like any other, its takes a lot of work to put on a regional so I think Mark should be supported in this.

A set of mini spikes or any open spike tyre and you'll have a good day, and not only that but the tyre wear we're seeing is nothing.

I don't think people are being negative, people who have been are just stating it was more like sand than the clay as others have been making out.

Ballistic buggy greens are the tyres to use used on my 4wd and worked a treat.

Did some testing a while ago with Mark at LDA and Cut Spikes (available in medium and soft compounds) worked really well.

The Cut Spike tires are available from JC Racing Products.

http://www.jcracingproducts.co.uk/home/

The track is "DIRT"

Its never going to be clay like RHR.
The venue is ace, Its a real different style of driving.

Its something that the NW has been missing, Now it has it, people are moaning at it, Im seeing comments from people that have not even been!

Its a great venue and the regional should be good.

I agree 100%! It's dirt and it's lovely! At the end of the night it was like a Motocross track! Bumps and berms and jumps. Excellent fun!
Jimmy

I think people are not complaining about the venue they just need to know what tyres to take for the regional and not take the wrong ones. It being such a different venue than what we are used to it should be a control tyre then there is no advantage for anyone. Southport is ny on a unwritten control tyre as we all know what works.

But surely people should test things before regionals?

I have tested tyres, my time & money why would I tell everyone?
There is plenty of club nights, including tomorrow come along and try it.

That's the thing I can't race every week and I can't race Fridays so I won't be able to go to any club meetings to test tyres I will be at a disadvantage and I don't want to start throwing money at tyres that I won't use anywhere else just to find the right one. It does sound like a fantastic venue and I am looking forward to the regional and maybe other races with either 10th or 8th that I may be able to do but I want to take tyres that work.

Matt makes a great point, we are having a meeting tomorrow evening. Who's going to come, have a great evening of racing whilst getting some testing done?

All welcome

Spence, Get yourself booked in for the meeting on the 17th of March buddy. Thats a Sunday and with plenty of notice. You and I have raced on Carpet, Astro, Wooden floors, concrete floors and tarmac, in all sorts of different buildings, only right we try dirt in an equestrian centre! I'll give you a sporting chance, I'll use a wheel tranny! :p

because thats the nature of the hobby, friendly and helpful :p

anything else just puts people off :o

Andy I will take that challenge one day my friend lol, but the 17th I have my son for the weekend so can't race. I would have loved to do it bit of 1/8th and 1/10 th in one day.

Just put Schumacher mini spikes all round. Greens or Yellows or Silvers do the job. I used Green fronts and Yellow rears and the balance was perfect. Getting tyres that grip more might be a mistake - grip rolling was very evident. With the Mini Spikes you can just chuck it into corners with no worries!

Other tyres will no doubt work too, it's a pretty forgiving surface.

Jimmy

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Is the surface wet or anything done to it as had a look at a couple of peoples cars that have been and they looked pretty bad. Just wondering if the cars will need a complete strip down after a friday night.

Definately need a strip down afterwards. I ended up with a big pile of dirt at home the next day! The sandy stuff gets everywhere. :thumbsup: