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Now don't shoot me out of the sky for being naive - I'm still finding my feet in this crazy RC world....but does such a thing as RX exist!? I know 1/8th rally cross/ nitro is a big deal here and abroad but just can't believe that such a thing does not exist considering the popularity of X-games and world rallycross champs & the fact that you can buy specific rally models.

I have heard some people talk about putting touring car shells on buggies for a giggle a while back but surely there is scope and interest for a proper class with specific rules & cars for sprint races like the big boys do!?
As I said I'm really thinking out loud - maybe its a weird little cult that already exists but no one talks about in the RC world!?!
Any thoughts and abuse are welcome :)
cheers friends!!

This happened years ago but never stayed the distance like the established classes.

Rallycross bodyshells were available for buggies & we used to race them on flat(ish) tracks. I remember having a Sierra Sapphire & a 205GTi for my ProCat back in the day...

I think it was this that the current 190mm touring cars were developed from - because people wanted something more 'scale'.

Now they race on super smooth tracks 5mm off the ground & talk about how many RPM their 'boost' cuts in at...:bored:


I think short course brings very similar thrills - side by side off road racing:thumbsup:

I've been banging on about this for a while, used to mod the shock mounts to accept RL bodies, Fiesta XR2 etc etc, was GREAT FUN....

Good video! :lol:

That'll get you fit too Craig chasing after a rc rally car!

Haha...did anyone think they were watching the start of a filthy german porno....just me the!?! lol

Yeah I've seen the rally stuff before - thats nuts....its the proper racing and drifting of the RX which I'm after!! Although your right it would get me fit - not such a bad idea :)

Good Vid, soon get in shape after a few meetings of that :)

Unfortunately, the french think there's only tarmac rally (some nice bodies):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjMm4YWvXs


This is more like it though he could use some competition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-mOYVoifGU

And finally, something to make you drool (who's going to be the the one to start a championship):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts1xequGJEU

This is more like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ysHRiKzpdc

Would love to race these, jack up an old tourer with rally body and tyres.. would be best on dirt tracks for the slippy sideways action :drool:

Top one is actually rally game, 8th rally x cars but designed for tarmac. they are tarmac circuit cars, states call em GT

Personally I think the cars look ace but I think the Japanese have the right idea when it comes to this class of racing. The night time snow racing looks a proper laugh. Loads of cars to choose from too especially from Tamiya, DF03, TT01, XV01 etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeZzfksdDy0

there was a BRCA national championship for rally cars.

schumacher rally blocks or mini pins and a heat at worksop indoors!!

Can remember it Mark,

bit fuzzy, thought it was an RRCI championship tbh, can remember Will Mitcham kicking butt with the Predator DTM/Streetwise rally version.

at the time we had a large following of HPI Rally's at the local club, great fun and really brought the kids into racing.

I did build a Losi Rally Weapon up with a slipper to run in the series but the class died overnight.

All of the manufacturers at time went into it too so was a surprise and a great shame.

Traxxas have fairly recently released a 1/10th Rally car but it's a LCG Slash SCT with a generic hatchback shape jelly mould body, would probably handle at speed and definitely jump better than a scale saloon version.

pffft you 1/10th guys are dropping behind here :)

Us micros have been doing rally cross events for a while ;) (This is a video from WORM, but we do it as well at wycombe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a9Kyf5VKgg

I remember the short lived rallycross days, hugely entertaining and looked great. I still have the mounts off my Top Force Ego in the box and a body shell somewhere. I have a Metro 6R4 shell mounted on a Tamiya touring car too.

Could be a good laugh to see a heat or two oneday on grass and tarmac section's, anyone else interested ?

jK

Spent some time on this track:woot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwuev0pcQag

You must get disqualified for tripping and landing face 1st in the scenery:lol:

With the brushless & lipo combos we have access to now - it just lends itself to replicating the monster horsepower days of the Group B Rallycross era.

I raced several replicas back in the day - Gollops 6R4 ( I have a pic of my Optima shelled car sat on his roof at Lydden), Welch's Xtrac Astra, and Arne Rasmushaugen's 6R4 as well. Never got round to doing a Mark Rennison DSRM RS200.....:blush:

I guess modified TC chassis would be the best option (at last they do have a use!) as they are more "scale" than the buggies.

Just need a bodyshell supplier (Kamtec perhaps?) and some suitable tracks - not too rough and "jumpy" but mixed surface.

Would love to see it make a resurgence - even with the current crop of "jellymould" aerodynamic bodyshells......

There is actually a good range of bodies out there for 190/200mm

HPI still have the moulds for most of theirs so will make to order if not in stock, Tamiya obviously have some real nice scale bodies from across eras, Retro-Racing do Escort mk1/2, Cortina mk1 and opel kadett, Control Freax did RS200 and 6R4 but i think they are no longer trading, Carson Audi S1's are out there and our Czech brothers have a varied range of cool rally bodies to import.

I always fancied racing Tamiya mini's as a rallycross class on loose surfaces, would be great fun... wouldn't jump but great for sliding into corners!

The scale cars look great but i think they need weight adding to stop them hopping around so much.

I tried a stock Tamiya TL01 with mild brushed gear in around an astro track and it went well but being able to slide would be fun!

Was thinking an indoor horse arena training type surface would work well with some small obstacles and hops, maybe surface changes... i know a venue and could access track gear but i think it'd be a long shot to make it worth trying even as a one off.

Lol @ Hog 'at last a tc has a use' !:lol:

Some mini action:

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/UrBk_FAb_Yw

Perfect! :thumbsup:

I fully agree with Hog on TC's needing a better use! Audi S1 bodies, 2WD front shocks all round and 6.5T motors with lumpy tyres... scale Grp B rallying FTW!

As Karting above has said .. WORM run a indoor WRC championship every summer for Mini bodied micro's ... we use mixed surface with either foam tyres for tarmac style rallies or stretch inner tubes over the foams for more drift style loose surface rallies ..

The loose style rallies are amazing fun, particularly when holding a good sideways drfit :D

drift style - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlrxOU6_IMI

foam style - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEGJQIgY6lg

Mini's like this -

http://cache1.bigcartel.com/product_...24938543/3.jpg

and coming soon Mk2 Escort

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5033/dsc04684ay.jpg

Converted my mr4 to rally car with a mk2 escort shell and raced it in with the buggys on the old bury metro track jumps an all it was ace
Lovin the new fat body's shell as well

I reckon Minicross would be awesome. Not out an out power but closely matched just like the real thing.

LETS DO IT PEOPLE!!
Sounds like there's lots of enthusiasm for more FUN based racing!! Gonna make me up some weird Frankenstein car from odds and sods and have some rallyX fun!!

heres mine :-) based on a tc3 rally

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...C9E0DCDC86.jpg

THATS SWEET DUDE!!!!

Iv had this sat in my grandads loft for about 11/12 years. Might finally have some use for it!

Just to revive this, and as I'm in the process of building a Group B replica, does anyone know where I can get some suitable scale decals from the era?

Doesn't have to be entirely accurate - I'm just trying to create that Group B feel.

Looked on ebay but wasn't a huge choice - and what there was seemed pretty expensive.

Well here we go - finally finished the Group B Audi S1 beasty!

Firstly - massive thanks to Andy Johnson for the awesome paint job and Craig Whitehead (Jackeltrader / PACE Design) for the spectacular repro graphics.

Shell is from the USA - Team Blue Groove item. Great quality even if not the strongest of shells. Mounted up on a TC4 chassis with a few mods to give some extra droop and clearance. Tyres are Schuey SST rally blocks in white compound. Motive power is Nosram Matrix Evo with a Losi 6.5 but this is making way for a boosted HW 60A ESC and a 13.5 as the 6.5 was rather brutal (even for a Group B replica).

Has generated a bit of interest at FORCC with a few TC's being removed from lofts - who knows we might have stumbled upon something here?

Me - I just think it looks the tits - but then I've always been a Group B nut!!

Fudge me sideways............that looks the dogs.............yup, i've just made a mess:blush:

Do these need to be run from flat pan touring cars or buggies?

A bunch of us rallied around Kidderminster track a few years ago. Doesn't take much to convert a tourer to rallying.

Let do it with tamiya rally cars. they can be good fun low cost racing.

Seriously want to get this up and running as a class!

What's under the body?
Where do you buy the body from?
Etc etc

Over the last few weeks I've been getting my old TA01 ready for a run round at FORCC, the only thing i'm not sure on is gearing? will it put up with a 13.5? and what gearing options are available on a chassis like that.....anyone have any ideas?

I love rallycross and would love to run this class but don’t have a touring car at the moment. Surly all it needs is for the touring car boys to get outside and play in the dirt. Most bashers have a touring car or did have a touring car with a rally shell anyway I know I used to have a toy rc rally car back in the day. It’s weird that there isn’t a rally or rallycross class seeing as there is nothing new needed in the concept, dirt tyres, body shells and chassis of the right scale are all present.

Hardest part would be convincing touring car drivers to get there beloved car dirty.

If this does start to kick off then a rally cross my next car for sure.

There has been several classes over the years for rally cars, both buggies with rally shells and raised touring cars. All of them have died due to lack of drivers taking part. The HPI Rally Challenge was the most successful, it lasted 3 years before disappearing in 2003.

I've run them in both the converted buggy and jacked up tourer styles and its easy to see why they don't exist as a class for long.
The problem is that either way they are like the real thing, neither a true on road car nor a true off roader. That means that whilst you can run them on a 1/10th off road track, they aren't as good as a buggy, and whilst you can use a touring car track with a few jumps on it, well thats just touring cars that don't handle as well.
The best place I ever raced them was the buggy based widebodies (mine was a LWB Optima Mid under an RS500 shell) at the old Southend track. That was a true multisurface course but with few jumps, so the cars went well there and looked awesome.
Rallying needs suitable tracks - flatter than a 1/10th buggy track and multisurface in order to separate itself.

Rallycross Si - not Rallying - subtle difference there.

I guess that's why the surface at FORCC is more suitable than most then. Polished wood floor without an excess of jumps and obstacles lends itself to being able to modified TC chassis as well as the buggies.

I'm not saying the class is going to take off - I just built the car for fun as I'm a Group B nut - but it certainly went well and generated some interest last week. Who knows - if enough get built we may be allowed to run a heat for a few weeks at FORCC to see how the class goes?

I agree with you on Southend though - 1990 British Rallycross GP I finished 3rd in the D final with a CAT XLS running a John Welch Opel Xtrac replica shell - good days!!

I'm so glad i found this thread, we we're talking about rally x a few months ago thinking it would be a good option. Our idea was to build a figure of 8 track (bridge jump) comprising of dirt, gravel tarmac.

Finding a cheap maybe old style car maybe tt01 and converting them to suit the track, maybe different rally groups i.e motor spec. I personally think this would be a great class to run and fun to watch.

I'm sure body shells could be done to suit a particular chassis ;)