2013 BRCA North West Meeting
 

Hi guys,

Would the North West guys prefer the clubs to get together and decide on what will happen or would you like an open meeting so anyone can come and show interest in what we do in 2013?

I'm happy for it to be an open meeting to ensure we receive the opinions of as many drivers as possible. However, to help with logistics, any final voting should be restricted to one rep from each club.

Come on guys, 119 views but only 1 reply.
IF nobody says anything then its just down to the clubs again and I know alot of you have views about 2012 and want changes to 2013.
Dont hold back as its your Regional series and we want you all to enjoy it:woot:

how about a seperat under 13's

with the new dirt track could we include this in the racing

How many tracks have we got for this year and what format is planned ie. 2wd and 4wd same day or split like last year ?

Sugest a venue and a date then if availble people may turn up.

Go back to the 2WD / 4WD on one day format.

Just to tackle all of the above.

To book something means money and the North West kitty is '0'.
No dates or rounds have been decided as thats what I am asking for.

I am not asking for ideas now, just weather to have a meeting with everybody or just the clubs.

2wd and 4wd on the same day can back fire. Big meetings like Southport would mean they would have to drop to 3 rounds of qualifying as we CAN NOT turn people away for them to gain there BRCA 'F' grading.

The clubs have put forward to me that they wish to hold an even so all we have to do is decide what you guys want to do with them.:woot:

id say southport do 2&4wd on diffrnt days as thay get the most entrys. with all other clubs running both classes on the same day. if we have 4 rounds with classes split thats 8 weekends of the year gone for those running 2wd and 4wd.

Stu,
The clubs' elected committee member(s) should carry their general members views to the NW BRCA committee meeting and vote on the format and arrangements for the coming year. If certain drivers wish to influence the planning, they can answer your post, and better still explain to their BRCA club rep what they want. That club rep can then gauge the feelings of his members and vote accordingly.

If we have 5 clubs, 2 meetings each, 3 from 5 to count in both classes - job done. I would still separate 2wd and 4wd meetings, but that's for your committee to decide.

From a personal point of view I thought last year went very well considering the confusion at the outset. Yourself and the clubs involved deserve a vote of thanks for that - and you certainly have mine.

But this needs to be done quickly now. The biggest criticism last year was the late announcement of decision and dates.

Thanks again for the time and effort you are spending on this.

Eddie

2wd is far to over subscribed to run with 4wd, we learnt this lesson last year.

i thik the clubs beed to have a meeting with stu same as last year and soon as dates need to be set, it was short notice last year with dates getting changed ,
as for classes, yea southport gets very busy with everyone wanting to race and maybe classes should be split , but the other clubs like southlakes and barrow could run both classes on the same day

i think running 2wd and 4wd on seperate days all locations,
dont think the grass tracks would hold up to both classes on same day only just did for 2wd events, but that just my opinon

Because we have an early National this year (4/5 May) we have asked that any regionals at Southport should be run subsequent to that date. If this was given the OK, then any Southport regional would have light available quite late into the evening and hopefully we could pack in 2WD/4WD together.

I certainly don't like the idea of 10 regional races - too much travel and distraction from club racing. Add to that we have to be closed the week before a National as well as the National weekend. And finally, there are the new Oople Club weekends, of which Southport will run one. In my mind we shouldn't run more than 8 regional races.

The key to all of this is - which are the clubs that will run regionals in 2013? Sort this first then plan backwards.

P.S. if all else fails you can meet at mine - zero cost and free beer.:)

i would personally like the north west regionals to return back to one day out of the weekend either saturday or sunday both classes run on same day like its always been.
i dont want to this year have to commit to two days its just to much time away from home, so will have to make the decision to which class i run this year if its run like last season.
cheers jamie

yeah back to one day regionals gets a vote from me
its a big meeting not a club day
maybe split if they are massivley over subscribed
are the clubs in the series the same as last year ?

Yes, I like the idea of running both 4wd and 2wd on the same day, if it is possible. I imagine this would be difficult at Southport and Bury but it does mean that the series can be spread more evenly over the summer. We just need a good summer this year!!!!!

Ok. What I will do is let you all know that I have these clubs that would like to hold an event :-
Southport
Bury
South Lakes
Barrow-on-furness
Lancashire Dirt Arena
Stoke

Now, if we hold 2wd and 4wd on the same day it might turn into 3 rounds of quali.
I am not aload to turn people away what so ever! This means more people less racing, longer days for all involved.
How many rounds do we want?
Which tracks do you want to race at?
How do you want booking in to be? Online or through the club.
Referees?
Scruteneering?
Trophies?
Booking in fee's?

If you pass all this info to your club rep I will just ask these guys to come to a meeting and then we can organise it.

If a club is too busy in the year for club racing/other meetings then let other clubs have a chance to hold a meeting.
If you dont think the club is going to be good enough to hold an event then let your rep know.

Thanks Eddie, I know you understand what its like. lol

Eric/Woody,

Referees - Yes marshall 10 (Senior/Experienced Racer)
Scruteneering - Size only / any tyres
Trophies - No
Booking in fee's - normally £7.00 for online booking in or £15.00 for on the day booking in (per class)

Both classes on one day, one leg finals for all (Avoid Kampenhaut Belgium GP weekend lol!!)

People that book in for all events get prority over people only booking in for one or two.

Run Southport Regonal after the National as there is the Easter Egg meeting just before the national.

Failure to marshall your heat, you loose your fastest time. Failure to marshall your final, your disqualified.

Tony

I agree with everything tony just said as for tracks can we not use all 6 clubs that are listed , then it be best 4 out of 6 rounds , go back too both classes on same day , then theres plenty of time for club events inbetween , this is my opinion anyways

How about two classes on one day, but you can only run one?

Who are Stoke do they have a 1/10 club?

Stoke is mainly a 8th club but they run 10th also. They have held Regionals for the Mid West in the past and they have enjoyed running the meetings so as its about an hours drive for most of us in the North West then I thought it maybe ok to go to.

Stoke would be the second nearest to me after bury so I vote we have a round there! :)

For information here are the attendances from last year...

2WD
R1 = 83 , R2 = 63, R3 = 54, R4 = 47

4WD
R1 = 54 , R2 = 22, R3 = 49, R4 = 28

With the exception of 2WD Rnd 1 the attendances are not really big enough to justify meetings of split classes. The problem with running on the same day however is that more people choose to do 2 classes. Its a choice between a rock and a hard place.

I don't know if 2 classes on one day, but drivers restricted to one class could be an option?

You can't limit people to only one class if its a BRCA series.

G

100 drivers a day is getting a bit long though.

Can you not take the less popular ones and put them in a single day? The club still gets the same on booking in fees but just free's up extra dates?

I like this idea of a big price gap between pre-booking and turning up on the day (assuming its admissable for regionals), and also what Mid-West do of putting late entries in the bottom heats.

Its means nobody has to be turned away on the day, but the encouragement will mean most will pre-book so the host club can have a good anticpation of what to expect.

In the Mid-West if you book in late you get put in the bottom heat and pay more and dont get a practice!!!! Also if you have booked in and don't turn up that frowned on too (which is good)

I would prefer going back to running both classes on the same day as last year had too many regionals that caused a detrimental effect on our club numbers, due to less club meetings. As a few people have said with the exception of Southport and Bury, running both on the same day is ok weather depending, but we are racing off road :)

Not convinced Stoke is truly a NW club and it is a long way for SLMCC and Barrow member to travel.

We will have a discussion at our next meeting to cover all points and feedback.

an event at lancashire dirt areana would be fantastic
thw nw would have meeting on astro grass and dirt , what a great local series, and a good chance for people to learn and use more setups for differant surfaces, and maybe find new skills to suit
also its indoor so rain is not an issue
it is a nw series after all

I would go for a meeting with just a rep from each club again, say in the next 2 weeks if possible . Each club should of had a meeting by that point to give there reps there views hopes and wishes ect . stoke is a trek from my end of the nw but thats just my view .

Can I just say Stoke will be fantastic addition to our regonal series...

It's a very good track and like Bury it has grip when it's wet.

God knows why the mid-west are not hoisting a meeting there. But we should.

i think there needs to be a club rep meeting asap to sort this out!!!!
but also thought it was the north west region we wer in. stoke is a hell of a drive for the northen clubs like south lakes and barrow ,, thik its like 2 hours from south lakes and 2 1/2 hours from barrow,,, and vice versa from stoke.

duplicate

Yes true but Barrow and south lakes meant a 3hr+ train journey + an overnight stay for me and Chris last season, lugging around haulers and backpacks etc ...we still attended all the 2wd rounds!

Come on... here we have a chance to race at another different venue!! Lets get excited about it not think of reasons we'd rather not bother!

Stoke is only a few more junctions down the M6.... in fact Stoke is closer than Barrow for most of us, even if you live as far North as Southport! I've just been on google maps!

i think it was better when both classes was run on the same day its only southport where there was a problem also seems theres lots of people race at there own track BUT dont do enough of the series to count so should do book in and pay for all the series and them that do that get entry first { WHERE EVER THEY FROM } also deffo do stoke as more venues the better

I don't want to be restricted to one class if I have to I will do both classes in one day the more racing for me. I need the practice due to only being able to race every other week. New clubs sounds good to me and stoke looks ace.

no matter weather there club members or not no preference should be give to them to book in, first come first served job done,
book in on line cheaper to do that as well, and as far as it being to far to race then don't go run at the local ones
I'm sure the people from the other end of Manchester could say the same its to far to south lakes ,which is why we don't travel there and didn't last year bar one run,
i agree with one day both classes as well,
is croston dirt a brca affiliated club, and do they have to be to race regionals,?
as far as saying northwest should be northwest get a grip the more the merrier
priority should also go to the people that book in for more events

rant over
and ill come to the meeting if its a open one