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ashleyb4 30-05-2008 09:34 PM
Front wheel drive buggy?
 
Hi all

Im just wondering has there ever been a front wheel drive 2wd buggy I know the current rules state it has to be rear wheel drive but has tehre ever been a front wheel drive 2wd buggy? If so what did i perform like was it any good?

A

Southwell 30-05-2008 09:38 PM
As far as ive ever used/seen the only front wheel drive competition cars were touring cars....

ashleyb4 30-05-2008 09:52 PM
maybe i drempt it up.

A

Doomanic 30-05-2008 10:09 PM
Kyosho Maxxum FF

http://www93.sakura.ne.jp/%7Etime-tu...045maxxam2.jpg

http://www.soulglow-rc.com/pix/main....maxxumff_1.jpg

Southwell 30-05-2008 10:18 PM
Haha, look at those front tyres compared to rears!

Gayo 30-05-2008 10:21 PM
Kyosho made a FWD called Maxxum FF :
http://www.retromodelisme.com/img/vo...P_page_008.jpg
http://www.retromodelisme.com/img/vo...P_page_005.jpg
Thanks to retromodelisme


MRC, a french company, made the Sand Master :
http://christopheb34.free.fr/Vintage...s/image060.jpg
Thanks to christopheb34

Also some Nichimo cars, the Spirit FF :
http://img.ruten.com.tw/s2/3/6f/1a/1...055642_882.jpg
Thanks to goods.ruten.com

And the Vantage FF :
http://www.inetrc.com/AYK/Images/800...Vantage_01.jpg
Thanks to InetRC.com

All cars of the late 80s:thumbsup: Memories :cry::D

ashleyb4 30-05-2008 10:29 PM
what where they like where they faster than conventional 2wds?

A

josh_smaxx 30-05-2008 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ashleyb4 (Post 129166)
what where they like where they faster than conventional 2wds?

A
There not modern so they wouldnt be comparable really.

Darren Boyle 30-05-2008 10:36 PM
I remember the Maxxum, it was uesless, it just wheelspan everywhere and was far inferior to all of the rear wheel drives that were out at the time

frogger 30-05-2008 10:38 PM
They must have caused a bit of a stir for the BRCA to outlaw them :D

Darren Boyle 30-05-2008 10:43 PM
They never really got outlawed just the set of construction rules that got drawn up was written in a way that they wernt allowed. They certainly wernt any quicker, either in a straight line or round the bends!!! Nose dived a fair bit too.

usagi 30-05-2008 10:50 PM
Ash...

Take a look at your BCRA handbook.
23.1 Two wheel drive cars (2WD) are those having only one pair of driven wheels on the same axle. Either the front or rear axle may be driven. Four wheel drive (4WD) cars are those having all four wheels driven.

I have seen plenty of scratchbuilt FWD's during my 20 years of racing but none of them worked very well.

Are you thinking of building one of your own?

ashleyb4 30-05-2008 11:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by usagi (Post 129176)
Ash...

Take a look at your BCRA handbook.
23.1 Two wheel drive cars (2WD) are those having only one pair of driven wheels on the same axle. Either the front or rear axle may be driven. Four wheel drive (4WD) cars are those having all four wheels driven.

I have seen plenty of scratchbuilt FWD's during my 20 years of racing but none of them worked very well.

Are you thinking of building one of your own?
OK didnt know that i was just thinking maybe if they where quicker i might make a micro one to kick arse at the micro nationals but if they dont work then pppfff dont waist the time.

A

usagi 30-05-2008 11:27 PM
They can be made to work....just keep an eye out for the understeer :woot:

terry.sc 31-05-2008 12:00 AM
There's also this Ryuz FF that could lap faster than Masami at the Japanese nats in the early 90s, so they were certainly competitive when developed.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...oto/RuyzFF.jpg
and this http://www.geocities.jp/feriocruise/.../poprod2b.html is of a fwd buggy that won in 1988 in Japan due to the dirt tracks they used
Quote:
Originally Posted by ashleyb4 (Post 129166)
what where they like where they faster than conventional 2wds?
They didn't spin out easily like all the rwds did on dirt surfaces with the hard tyres we were using at the time, so were easier to drive. As we never really raced on such low grip surfaces in the UK they have never had any potential here. Unless we go back to the ice rink like surface that was Romsey in '87 (where the first prototype fwds appeared to be quick) then fwd will usually lose out to rwd.

Fwd is banned from IFMAR competitions because the rules state the surface must be natural (no astroturf) and it must last for a weeks racing, so they are usually on hard packed dirt so usually not much grip. Try driving a dirt track with the hardest tyres in your pitbox to give you an idea of how tricky it was when the rules was made. They were banned to prevent racers needing a fwd and rwd car depending on track surface and conditions before they had a chance to be developed to be competitive. Banning them saves every racer having to buy one of each just in case so no one has an advantage, the same reason they banned LRPs sensored traction control system.

MK999 31-05-2008 01:52 AM
That Ryuz buggy looks strangely futuristic and yet remarkably 80's at the same time, I like it :thumbsup:

stegger 31-05-2008 08:38 AM
That looks fantastic:woot::woot: looks like a frog (not the tamiya one) from the top view:D

Dreadstar 31-05-2008 09:52 AM
If you check the ruling carefully,you will see that FWD aren't banned as such,but that they have been dumped from 2WD and put into the 4WD class instead.

VintageRacer 31-05-2008 01:46 PM
I used to drive my Hunter backwards when the gearbox got too worn out (bad design), does that count?

minimini 31-05-2008 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by terry.sc (Post 129185)
There's also this Ryuz FF that could lap faster than Masami at the Japanese nats in the early 90s, so they were certainly competitive when developed.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...oto/RuyzFF.jpg
and this http://www.geocities.jp/feriocruise/.../poprod2b.html is of a fwd buggy that won in 1988 in Japan due to the dirt tracks they usedThey didn't spin out easily like all the rwds did on dirt surfaces with the hard tyres we were using at the time, so were easier to drive. As we never really raced on such low grip surfaces in the UK they have never had any potential here. Unless we go back to the ice rink like surface that was Romsey in '87 (where the first prototype fwds appeared to be quick) then fwd will usually lose out to rwd.

Fwd is banned from IFMAR competitions because the rules state the surface must be natural (no astroturf) and it must last for a weeks racing, so they are usually on hard packed dirt so usually not much grip. Try driving a dirt track with the hardest tyres in your pitbox to give you an idea of how tricky it was when the rules was made. They were banned to prevent racers needing a fwd and rwd car depending on track surface and conditions before they had a chance to be developed to be competitive. Banning them saves every racer having to buy one of each just in case so no one has an advantage, the same reason they banned LRPs sensored traction control system.
wooooo........this Ryuz FF is actually using the Stealth gear box.........that means ........FF RC10 vs RR Rc10........:thumbsup:

RogerM 31-05-2008 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ashleyb4 (Post 129166)
what where they like where they faster than conventional 2wds?

A

And Ashley proves once and for all that he knows nothing about vehical dynamics!!!!

Doomanic 01-06-2008 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerM (Post 129248)
And Ashley proves once and for all that he knows nothing about vehical dynamics!!!!

And Roger proves he can't spoll ;)

SHY 02-06-2008 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by terry.sc (Post 129185)
There's also this Ryuz FF that could lap faster than Masami at the Japanese nats in the early 90s, so they were certainly competitive when developed.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...oto/RuyzFF.jpg
and this http://www.geocities.jp/feriocruise/.../poprod2b.html is of a fwd buggy that won in 1988 in Japan due to the dirt tracks they usedThey didn't spin out easily like all the rwds did on dirt surfaces with the hard tyres we were using at the time, so were easier to drive. As we never really raced on such low grip surfaces in the UK they have never had any potential here. Unless we go back to the ice rink like surface that was Romsey in '87 (where the first prototype fwds appeared to be quick) then fwd will usually lose out to rwd.

Fwd is banned from IFMAR competitions because the rules state the surface must be natural (no astroturf) and it must last for a weeks racing, so they are usually on hard packed dirt so usually not much grip. Try driving a dirt track with the hardest tyres in your pitbox to give you an idea of how tricky it was when the rules was made. They were banned to prevent racers needing a fwd and rwd car depending on track surface and conditions before they had a chance to be developed to be competitive. Banning them saves every racer having to buy one of each just in case so no one has an advantage, the same reason they banned LRPs sensored traction control system.
Whoa! That Ryuz and that Wave(?) car looks absolutely stunning!!! Now there's some seriously good craftmanship! The bodyshell of the Wave reminds me a bit of the Atomized B44 shell. Whilst the Ryuz looks like a Paris-Dakar buggy! Keep'em coming guys!!! :thumbsup:

Edit: These cars were only concept cars right? (never mass produced)

Edit 2: That Wave car's even got the battery pack in the center, great stuff!!!

Alfonzo 02-06-2008 09:12 AM
That looks the absolute business. What a great piece of work, doesn't matter if it goes well - just look at the damn thing! :woot:

SHY 02-06-2008 10:20 AM
How about putting together a "task force" and try and make our own virtual museum? You guys are very knowledgeable I must say!

We can use my web. I've already collected a lot for 1:8 TR cars:
http://www.ymr.no/1_8trackbiler.htm
-you must check out Carlsson!!!

There's some links on the bottom of the page. None of them are complete enough IMHO. How about making a LARGE one?

See also www.ymr.no/historie.htm
(norwegian only but lots of pics and videos)

terry.sc 03-06-2008 12:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHY (Post 129444)
Whoa! That Ryuz and that Wave(?) car looks absolutely stunning!!! Now there's some seriously good craftmanship! The bodyshell of the Wave reminds me a bit of the Atomized B44 shell. Whilst the Ryuz looks like a Paris-Dakar buggy! Keep'em coming guys!!! :thumbsup:

Edit: These cars were only concept cars right? (never mass produced)

Edit 2: That Wave car's even got the battery pack in the center, great stuff!!!
The 'Wave' car is called the Poprod mk2, named as it's a modern replica of the original car which raced in the 80s. The body is a Tamiya Winger, made as an alternative body for the Boomerang. The Poprod was designed and built by Grahoo, who has built many interesting cars over time and is a great bloke. BTW the RYUZ uses an RCL Incident body.

Both were just one offs, although there's a lot of the RYUZ design that made it into the Yokomo YRF-2.

terry.sc 03-06-2008 12:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHY (Post 129482)
How about putting together a "task force" and try and make our own virtual museum? You guys are very knowledgeable I must say!
I'm involved with http:/www.tamiyaclub.com, unfortunately there's a lot newer Tamiyas getting in the way of all the historic stuff in there these days. Search for any make of car and there's usually one there.

SHY 03-06-2008 06:29 AM
Good point, thx! :) I've visited that site many times. And come to think about it there's so incredibly many 1:10 OR cars...

Anyways, you guys sure have done your homework!

Gayo 03-06-2008 09:14 AM
Back in 1991, here in France all the hype was about home-made FWD cars. On loose, dusty tracks, they were unbeatable (sp :confused:) and on a crash, the FWD car always stayed on the track...:bored::lol:

Didier Albuisson's Sauterelle (Grasshopper), heavily inspired by those jap protos. It was basically the rear half of an RC10 Team car going backwards, with those loooong rear arms :
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3294/img2746iy8.jpg

Frank Moreau's Lazer : http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5623/img2747mn3.jpg

Blurry pics by Thomas Fresne

OldTimer 20-09-2009 08:24 PM
A CF version of the Ryuz FF would be cool, would be fun to run it against the current 2wd's :woot:

Chrislong 20-09-2009 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OldTimer (Post 289117)
A CF version of the Ryuz FF would be cool, would be fun to run it against the current 2wd's :woot:
How about doing this to a B4 rear end then JC?

SHY 23-09-2009 10:32 PM
Just Do It!!! :thumbsup:


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