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Petrol Prices (answer)
Just had this email through , makes interesting reading if we can manage it .
See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it We are hitting 123.9 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying 2.00 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT,whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... .. THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso |
i'm sure someone else posted that a while back???
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I buy 99% of my fuel at morrisons anyway, so that will be easy to achieve.:thumbsup: Mainly because its around 3p cheaper round here to buy it from them.:D
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Possibly the worst idea I've heard since somebody suggested using Marmite as Diff lubricant..
The vast majority of the price of petrol is TAX. That is the governments depmartment, not the oil companies. So the government is where efforts would have to be focused, perhaps banning Futures Trading on petroleum. But rest assured, if they drop the tax on fuel they will raise it elsewhere as the government is practically bankrupt. Happy Days |
I've seen a similar mail going round for a few years now but obviously people either don't do it, or it doesn't work :-(
I for one avoid BP and Esso purely as the two closest to me and cheapest are Sainsbury's, shell and Texaco but i guess most people just don't worry about it?? Maybe there's also that bit of reverse psychology also in that if BP and Esso see a slight reduction in useage they up their prices to make more on the business they do get?? I guess the problem is most of the service stations seem to be BP so the money they make alone probably helps a massive amount to the disgusing profits they make as people stop there are mainly company car drivers who don't pay for their fuel or have a BP fuel card etc, plus service stations charge more for everything anyway and i guess there's also a lot of cases where people NEED fuel at that moment so have to stop wherever they can? |
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who do you think Sainsburys, Tesco, Morrisons etc get their fuel from???
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This same email was being sent around during the last fuel protests (remember the shock then at petrol reaching £1 a litre?).
It makes no sense whatsoever to only boycott Esso and BP. Most likely this bit of spam came from the desk of Shell's chief executive. If you want to use market forces to cut the cost of fuel - stop buying it! Use your feet (or bike/bus/train) for more journeys, cut out the unnecessary car journeys, get rid of your gas-guzzler and buy something fuel efficient. |
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http://www.petrolprices.com/sainsburys.html |
I only go to shell, unless im on fumes.
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This is quite interesting - posted on Lycos:
I used to work for this industry and can confirm that the supermarkets buy their petrol from the same refineries as the major brands such as Shell and Esso but, they are not the same petrol / diesel. It is the additives that differentiate between the branded products and the not quite so good quality supermarket own brands. I’m surprised to say there is no branding on the tankers you see delivering the petrol to your supermarket though. They are commonly branded with the name of a petrol company. This is because they are no longer owned by the petrol companies so can transport fuel for who ever they want and you frequently see branded tankers delivering to supermarkets but they do not contain the same fuel. All fuels come from the same refinery (s) and are essentially the same, the difference is in the additives. At our local oil terminal at Buncefield in Hemel Hempstead (scene of the recent fire), petrol is received by pipeline from BP, Total/Fina and Shell refineries. Each type of fuel is kept in the separate brands at the terminal, they don’t have special tanks for fuel destined for supermarkets. The tankers are filled from the appropriate tanks regardless of their destination but the additives are added before the tanker leaves the depot. All fuels have additives included … the difference is that the branded petrol has additives that enhance the performance and the supermarket petrol has additives to make it cheaper. Mineral oil is often added to diesel fuel for example. There is a maximum level of contamination of mineral oil permitted and the supermarkets regard this as a standard and not a maximum. If you think that supermarket petrol is the same as from your branded fuel supplier, remember the damage to people’s cars caused by using Tesco and Morrisons petrol last year. The reason for this was that it was made using reclaimed/scrap toluene solvent which had been used to wash PCBs in electronics factories. No reputable oil companies were involved in that scandal as I’m sure none of them would use a cut price additive such as this. |
We just need a tax on people coming in the country (like turkey does), only have job seekers allowence for 6months and any one who wants to claim benifits needs to go for an interview. Also anyone that needs an interpreter should have to pay for one themselves, like every other country does!!
Sorted! O one other thing, motorways should become autobahns |
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The cost of oil is ramping because of many factors, speculative trading being one of the nastier ones plus increased demand from other countries. Basically, there isn't enough to go round so we will have to get used to it. |
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The UK gets virtually no oil from the north sea, it mainly comes in from places like baku and the CIS now, it is cheaper to do that than spend millions on getting the dregs from the north sea. This is the theory anyway.
In reality there is as much oil under the north sea as there was when they first hit upon it back in the 60`s and 70`s, they keep finding new fields of oil and gas all the time. But it does require some extraction where as back in the early days it would come up under its own pressure, now we have to pump gas down into the well to create that pressure, that costs £££ but it is still profitable, just not as profitable as moving out to iraq, baku etc. There will be very little paid in the way of tax over there either as there is a lot of corruption within the governments and things are let go for a bit of cash. It is also rumoured that bandits were employed by a major oil company in nigeria (beginns with S ends in hell) to come aboard a platform and take a few hostages for a number of days in a bid to deter other oil companies setting up in those waters. I dont like paying inflated prices for oil etc and it is the government who are shafting us. Oil has not increase by 30% since christmas but the price at the pump has:thumbdown: |
I guess if they're planning on ripping up the North and South Poles, the New Forest might be fair game!
As an aside - I drove a Ethanol powered car our in Sweden last weekend. It drove just like a petrol but we got hardly any mileage from the tank, I'm guessing something like half of what it would have been on petrol. Bugger. |
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There just aren't enough resources in the world for the number of people that want them any more. All it takes is a bad harvest and/or some funny business by OPEC and the world's economy is up the creek! The only solution is for us to consume less - sod this "ethical consumer" nonsense - just try and get by on less stuff. It's cheaper that way too. |
Hit the nail on the head there. Consume less - yup, especially when you look at all the fatties about :(:woot:
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We are paying around the same amount of tax on fuel as they do in Germany, Finland, Belgium, but not as much as Sweden. Quote:
Why does this country always scream at the government to do something instead of doing something themselves? If you don't like the cost of fuel get a more economical car. I had a job which meant a 300 mile per week journey and a big sports coupe that was lucky to manage 25 mpg. I did the sensible thing and swapped it for a little diesel that did 60mpg instead. Now I'm working nearer home I've swapped it for something with a big engine again as I can afford to run it. It's not economical but if fuel prices keep on going up I'll swap it for something cheaper to run, not sit and moan about how expensive it is. And voting out Labour won't help, it was the Tories before them that pushed duty up so high in the first place. If labour hadn't abandoned the tories fuel escalator policy we would be paying at least another 20p per litre. |
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I like the car I have and I can afford it, it is becoming more expensive to use (VED & Fuel) and I don't like that as that is labour trying to force the public to drive crappy small cars or new breed efficient diesels (still very expensive 2nd hand), but to change cars atall costs money id rather not spend. Because my car costs a lot to run it is likely to depreciate, and I am being more careful now than ever of how much driving I do, and how fast I drive. But its not being changed until im ready. But I pride myself in my car, I won't be forced to change, and I am all for getting my voice heard, signing petitions, hearing out ideas of boycotting brands, & heck id even be for protests and blockades. But I won't let the greedy "fill my boots" politicians dictate indirectly what choices I make. |
well heres a solution for some. if you have a diesel car you can run you car on used cooking oil! all you have to do is filter it, put it in the tank and drive. and last time i checked used cooking oil is dirt cheap if not free.
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The idea of boycotting a particular company seems kind of stupid to me. If it happened it would lower prices in the super short term, ie this week. Everyone would then fill up there & bang, up go the prices & welcome back to square one. If BP were to go out of buisiness their facilities and assests would just be sold on & it would achieve nothing. It isnt a buyers market at all. That is just plain wrong. How can it be a buyers market? Its supply restrained!!
Chrislong why are small cars crappy? Id like to see people leave their egos at home a bit more & think differently when it comes to chosing which cars to run. I know a guy who runs a TVR Tuscan and I know a guy who has a Porsche 928, both awesome cars that cannot fail to leave you with a smile every time you drive them. But they go down to the shops on a saturday afternoon in a Vauxhall Astra & a 10 year old Renault Clio respectively. The money they save enables them to run much better 2nd cars & keep them in proper reliable shape & have enough change to fill em up & go for a spin on Sunday. I dont get why people try to make 1 car tick all the boxes, you just end up making too many comprimises. These days you can get so many excellent, reliable, fuel efficient 2nd hand cars now for small money, its madness the "keeping up with the jones" new car mentality that so many people seem to have. The government could really help this thinking by giving small cars tax breaks & really hitting the big engines hard. I would love to see this happen, with the rates going up more for expensive, oil-slaughtering cars...4 liter engine? £800 tax per year. 6 liter? £1500. Id like to see a revival of something similar to what happened in Japan with all the tiny Kei cars in the 90s. They ruled. |
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Danny (Danny who?), my post was a rant but certainly no Ego included in it. Perhaps small cars are not crappy - but they're not suitable for my needs. |
I agree with chris, why should the government effectively choose our cars for us, if you are a farmer up in the deepest darkest hills you would probably choose to use a landrover or some other large 4x4. Why should they be penalised for something they need to do their job:confused:
How do other govenments get away with taxing people less, in every respect, not just fuel? Are those countries on the verge of going bankrupt as well? Or is it just the fact that they use the funds they have wisely and not spend millions every year furnishing MPs london pads and spending more money on stupid campaigns:thumbdown: If you or i handled our finances the way two jags has handled the countries money we would be behind bars. FACT! |
I approx. do 30-35K miles per year, and I certainly wouldn't want to be driving a small car.
Our company put us on a private lease scheme because of the ridicolous taxes the government put on 'company cars'. They now pay us a lump sum every month and we choose the car we drive. When you spend that amount of time in a car, you do appreciate the finner things, size being no.1. When I first started the job I used my own car for 6mths, and bombing up and down the M4 in a Saxo is no fun day in day out. My 2pence worth and although slightly irrelative, as the company pay my petrol. The funny thing is they are having to re-calculate the pence per mile we get becuase of these silly petrol prices, (I still have to pay for all my private miles:)) |
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It's not the oil companies that are determining the cost of the petrol we buy, it is the government. They are maintaining ridiculously high taxation rates on fuel, whilst saying it's not a tax issue, its all down to supply and demand. The government want us to buy economical cars because cars are bad for the environment, whilst expanding current airports...:thumbdown: |
Who are you talking about there, Chris? Not Gordon 'No more boom and bust' surely? :woot::o I've said some stupid things in my life, but that takes the Pi$$! bet he regrets that :lol::thumbdown:
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most modern diesel systems will fail if run on that, it clogs as chris has said and it certainly viods any warranty Ford offer and im sure it will other manufactures |
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You mean like you are wasting electricity, from your pc by being on oOple instead of doing something constructive:confused:
I agree though it doesnt have to be a tax across the board for all, but it is:thumbdown: The government are a bunch of cocks who are basicailly in it for their own personal gain. Has anyone ever has an MP sympathise with them and actually go out of their way to help them? I have never heard of this in my local area. I think it would be interesting to see how much red diesel has increased since the turn of the year and whether or not it is relative to the fuels with duty added. I would love for some truckers to bring the uk to a standstill again. After Tally though :lol: |
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I know of some old Escort vans that have tried it, but the stench alone is feckin terrible, talk about embarrassing too :D |
I know that this comment most peeps will turn there nose up at, but in an effort to keep 'toy' car racing, I car share to work with a colleague. We both work about the same time, and live in the same town, so car sharing is not quite as easy as driving yourself in, but I worked out that I saved
£300 a year simply by cutting down my miles by car sharing. It also made me less tired at the end of the day, since I wasn't having to concentrate on driving on the way home! (Bonus!!). I believe for those people who live in cities (Worcester closest to me) is a prime example of how car sharing could benefit everyone... There would be less traffic which would cause less traffic jams, use less fuel, which would then reduce the demand for fuel, causing the price to drop... I think instead of taxing fuel, either tax those people who drive along in a 14ft box of steel all to themself, OR give benefit to those who car share? Just an idea.. |
Do you really notice £300 over a year though, personally i wouldn`t, its less than a pound a day:eh?:
Im not knocking you in anyway and its good that you have managed to do this and it works for you but personally id rather spend the £1 a day and work when i wanted and have my own space in the car and not be relying on anyone else.:) |
the Transit has just cost £90 to fill up!:mad:
It'll do around 400 miles for that!:mad::mad: I used biodiesel for a while last year and it was fine, but the supplier got flooded and the fuel was contaminated. The van never ran the same after that til it went back on the ordinary diesel. I used to car share a few years ago, it's great until you want to work late, or not, and holidays can be a nightmare. |
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I agree, SOME people with 4x4's don't need them and I whole-heartily agree that they are the ones in the wrong. People who live in urban area's, don't go off-road and have several children should be driving MPV's or saloons. But my hate for them is due to the way they drive - may aswell be a white van in disguise. BUT, the point I am getting at, is the rules the Government are making and the like, I initially thought would be aimed specifically at this type of 4x4 owner, but it isn't, its also hitting hard the average Mondeo, the mid/large high spec hatchbacks, sports cars and pretty much a big proportion of the country. |
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These schemes I have heard about id not be keen on, I do not want a stranger in my car. But don't penalise anyone who doesn't car share, the benefit to those who do is the split in the cost of fuel, the penalty for those who don't is they receive no benefit and pay all their own costs. Its nothing the government can force upon people, its a mindset that people need to get into. |
The FACT is that the government are taxing our fuel, and it's the major cost. £0.57 is duty a litre, and the VAT is on top of the price and duty. At £1.15 a litre, the petrol station and fuel company are taking 40 pence, and the government are taking 74 pence.
So do your basic maths with that, the government is taxing 281% on fuel. The price of a barrel of oil has doubled in just a couple of years, and the petrol prices haven't. Fuel companies just a few years ago were making a loss, now they're making a profit. It's supply and demand at the moment, and the demand is too high. And our Prime Minister has the cheek to sit the fuel companies down, and say they are charging too much. What a joke. The bottom line is, the government won't drop fuel prices. We live in a country with the worlds highest fuel duty, the government can't lower the duty otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford to pay for nice houses and benefits for the unemployed. The demand is far to high, so petrol companies can't drop their prices. Until a viable alternative comes along, such as fuel cell cars which will likely be the future...... complaining won't help (we don't really live in a democracy), so just buy fuel efficient cars. It's the only way. When that alternative does come along, expect car tax to rocket, as the government has no way of plugging that deficit. |
It's all down to the super high PERCENTAGE tax the gov' have on fuel .... a small increase in the price of the fuel itself is complertely swamped by the huge % increase in tax on that small amount.
As for the comments about food prices ..... why do you think they are going up so much? Something to do with the cost of fuel used to plant / harvest (in the UK), transport the raw materials, engergy costs in making the goods (even fresh stuff has a shed load of engergy applied to it in storage and treatment (huge cold stores / washing plants consume huge amounts!!!!!) and then transport of the finished food products. The lions share of the cost of that lot is in tax, which is taxed ... then taxed again!!!! As for running modern diesels on "bio fuel" or worse normal veg oil BE VERY, VERY, VERY CAREFUL. The company I work for only supports the use of 5% biofuel ...... like most (as in 99%) of the other manufacures. Just because the engine will burn it doesn't mean it has the right properties to look after the fuel pumps etc. Most people don't realise that the fuel is also the lube in most fuel pumps ...... even those that do don't realise the huge demands on the fuel pumps and the importance in the lubrication properties of the fuel. If you don't clog your fuel lines, generate cold starting problems or cause nasty deposites in the injectors you will be hurting the pumps and shortening their life ...... anybody got any ideas how much a modern common rail diesel pump costs???? Be careful ........ and point your rage at the right people ...... so shout towards Westminster! |
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