Cost of fuel/duty, Petition to No.10
 

I've signed it. :)

I had a look last night but could only find an old one.

But people will buy inefficient cars if they want anyway, no matter wha the cost of fuel.
They'll still mess around with income tax...as they always have.
And they'll still fly stuff in from other countries because of the lower production costs.

So, you're telling us that you like paying way over the odds for fuel for day to day journeys and doing your hobby?

Because I dont!

We are being ripped off, by the gov. and by the fuel companies.
No matter what happens with the fuel costs, all these other things will still happen, unless someone finds out a way of pulling the country back off its knees, before it falls flat on its face....which it will do if all the money problems carry on like they are.

Well said Tel :)

the petitions on the website, I think, it is just a way of the government 'pretending' to be listening, but never really look at it.

As for the Fuel cost, it will hit home all of a sudden, when haulage firms can no longer sustain making little or no profit on their business, and put up their costs to business, who then pass it on to us. then you will really see inflation go up. you have also got the hiking of car taxes going up, as they drop the emisions route of tax banding back to 2001....

If there was a way of bypassing it, I would rather do that, and do it to a point with buying LPG.... but that is going up now....

In the end, they KNOW you need your car, they KNOW you will buy the petrol.... not much you can do, except maybe refuse to pay your road fund licence.

Haulage companies are hitting Companies with a double whammy:

CAF: They are levying a surcharge based on the weakness of the pound against the Euro. Which is very hard for firms now as so many are now registered in Europe, so they can legally swerve the UK tax's.

BAF: The fuel surcharges are going up high, these surcharges have been around for years but now they're much higher.

Its crippling business's, obviously.

As for running inefficient cars. Well personally, I thought about buying an economical car, but then I thought against it, as this is what shit-for-brain Brown wants. I choose to drive a fast car, and I will continue to do so. The UK population has a weak voice (We don't speak up enough, and when we do the Government don't listen), and so we need to speak up, if this means blocking roads, blocking ferry terminals, block airports etc.... heck, im all for that, count me in.

Chris

I cant see how lowering fuel duty is possible sadly. No ones being ripped off, the government needs that money. Plain & simple the days of cheap energy are coming to a close. The problem is the result of years of big buisness (& to be fair, us) cashing in & exporting all the manufacture, now the developing countries are living like us & burning all that beautiful oil.

Id like to see car manufactures to change the way they make & sell cars & for people to actually own 2 cars, for example, a cheap 650cc small lightweight car for 90% of journeys & a faster more fun oreitntated car for the rest of the time.

If you've had the choice of fuel efflicient car or a non-fuel efficient car, and chosen the latter, then you have no right to complain. You are part of the cause of the problem. Fuel costs are spiralling because demand is exceeding supply. If everyone who gets less than 30 mpg started getting 65 mpg +, then the amount consumed would fall and so would the prices. Unfortunately this step change would have to be world-wide for us to see the difference.

Yes, the government could reduce fuel duty to offset the increased cost of crude oil, but then they would have to raise the money elsewhere; 60% income tax anyone? :cry:

I diagree that the givernment 'needs' the money, anyone who has worked in the public sector will know how wasteful they are, they have put more and more money into services for no real 'increase' in performance due to the way that targets are set, so those departments, like the NHS has to manage targets rather than services, so money isn't put into nurses, doctors and equipment, it goes on back management.

The Armed Forces have never been so poorly funded (I worked on enough of the stuff). The former Conservatives would ridiculed for selling off industry, but the Labour government has done more and worse.... and most of them are now in the ownership of foreign nationals.

The roads are the poorest I have seen in the long run.

The gorvernment is greedy in the end, it is billions in debt, yet it won't let a man like Richard Branson bail out Northern Rock... which, by the way, the money used could of paid for the Police's pay rise three fold....

The fuel levvy is a carry over from Margaret Thatchers fuel escalator..... which is a handy way of raising taxes.

The only way to get things turned around is to vote out the labour party and blockade fuel, so things do come to a head and HAS to be sorted..... I think Gordon Brown will have his own 'winter of discontent'

Fuel efficient is a mis-leading term. I recently sold a low tax (hence fuel efficient..) vectra. It was a great car, never let me down and went all the way from York to Tiverton and back a few years ago on 1 tank of fuel. However it was totally crap going 6 miles to work and back - approx 150 miles to a 60 litre tank.
So I bought a nice little (not bayracer at all........;)) saxo vtr. Technically a less fuel efficient car (although the same tax band). Every confidence it will be garbage on a run due to it's gearing but to work and back I get nearly 250miles to a 40 litre tank.
And it's a shitload more fun to thrash about:thumbsup:

its crap
 

it used to cost 72 quid to fill the van now 105quid the van is eight months old wtf:thumbdown:

The government has had a massive tax windfall thanks to spiraling oil prices, yet they are still adding duty at an alarming rate, which is then taxed again when the VAT is added.:thumbdown:

I have a theory about the current financial crisis.

Labour are almost certain to lose the next election so they are screwing the country royally in an attempt to make it impossible for the Tories to fix in one term. Labour then get re-elected and carry on lining their pockets. If they win then we clearly deserve to be screwed.

Signd it too.......:cry:

For you clowns who are brainwashed enough to argue that we are not being screwed, well, I am baffled. If oil was really a problem, then cars consume a fraction of what planes & ships do, and beyond that, the UK consumes far less than other developed countries who are not being screwed as much; USA, Australia and New Zealand for example.

I posted a link, not for a debate, but for those who wish to, to sign. Those who don't, don't. [full stop]

For the clowns who don't, go post your garbage elsewhere, its wasted here.

signed , lets hope it helps but doubt it :cry:

Signed.

Mazda RX-8
17/25mpg
Not happy!

I didn't expect to be happy with fuel bills though...so I suppose I can't moan too much. And I choose to keep the car because I love it and wouldn't be happy with something sensible.

Glad I don't have to commute far though.

How high will it go?....I reckon we'll see 135p a litre by Christmas.

I signed it for all you fuel users :p i use it to :p

A

Which would be fine sentiments, to which you are entitled, were they only true!

Cars consume twice as much fuel as ships and planes put together. Oil is probably not the problem, but speculators might be - Governments can do nothing about that.

In the same time our petrol has gone from 80-ish p per litre to 115p, US petrol has gone from $2 to almost $4 - equivalent to us paying 160p per litre, and they pay almost zero tax on their petrol - so how does that make them screwed less than we are?

Whether you choose to see the facts or not, the North Sea oil revenues, that Thatcher gave you back in lower income tax, have halved in the last 15 years, and that has to be made up somehow. Choose which way you want to pay your tax by all means, but you'll pay it one way or another.

saw 132.9 this mornin. i think if it goes the way its going its gunna be more like 160 by crimbo

I cant believe how people think paying 80%+ is not getting shafted :o

I have said it before, the UK is the cheapest place in the world to make fuel, we are very good at it:D

If we took 80 % off our fuel price we would only be paying 30pa litre ~

We are gettng shafted:(

We donteven get our oil from the north sea, the il that comes from the north sea maily goes to norway etc as maersk and statoil have major holdingsin the north sea, bp and shell paid companies to take groups of platforms off there hands.

Oil may be at its most expensive price ever but it has not gone up by 25% since the turn of the year:thumbdown:

I think what agrevates is that oil companies do make an aweful lot of profit per annum, and it would be nice to see some of that passed on to the customer. As for the Tax on it, in the broader picture, we pay one of the highest, if not THE highest % of income back to the government, we just don't see it, as most is done by them slipping it out on goods and services...

Gordon Brown would not think twice about cutting fuel duty, it is too easy an income, like tax on fags and booze.... easy target.

Free speech rocks, if you dont like it theres plenty of places in the world where its frowned upon (& some of them have REALLY cheap fuel!)

PS. Re "Clowns"...Polititians dont even wipe on petitions. Sending a petition to a politican is like sending a happy meal to bin laden.

And therein lies the problem with our political system.
MP's are supposed to speak for their constituents but once in power pay nothing but lip service and do just the hell what they want.

Also, there is no provision for free speech in UK law.

Signed it Chris.

Fed up of rip off Britain, I reckon i'd emigrate if the missus was up for it !

I'm now looking for a new motor and am torn between economy and having something decent & quick. The thought of ever increasing fuel costs make it a very difficult choice, but I reckon I too will plump for something quick, maybe something silly as it could be the last opportunity I have to do so before we all have to run around in tiny diesels !

Compromise, but don't really, I Taxi, and fuel is a bigger problem for us than most, as we can't choose to do without it, and our fares are set by the council, so when it goes up, we just have to accept the loss. I replaced mine this year, with a Mitsubishi diesel, 130ps goes like stink if you push the turbo, but does 1,000 miles for £122 on taxiing, which is the worst fuel scenario, stop start all day, it cost a chunk more than I would normally pay, but sneaks into the £115 a year tax band as it has low emissions:D
I love fast cars, my day car used to be a 5.3 jag but no more I am afraid, just can't afford fuel.
Until something changes, we will have to adapt or sink.
PS I had already signed it, and the last one years ago!

In terms of car choice (previous thread I started in this section): may I recommend the BMW 1 series diesels.

The 118d is high on BHP and performance is quite impressive, especially compared to the VW Bluemotion and Ford Focus Tdci, yet MPG is excellent and it is in tax band B, which means £35 per year tax, and free in congestion zones!

Although, this is only on Post Sept 2007 models, therefore looking at £23k for a well spec'd new one, or £18k (if lucky) on a second hand one. So this is still not a viable option for me either.... :(... car manufacturers are starting to develop car which or lower on emmissions but unfortunatley it'll be a few years when depreciation has run its cause will I be able to afford one in reality. (That battery operated sports car: the Tesla, I hope this technology reachs all car types!! :thumbsup: its FAST)

Ive been considering my options for weeks now, and come to the conclusion to stick with the car I have for another year or two, and modify it a little to keep me from getting the bug for buying something different. Maybe when i can afford a 2nd hand 118d I will then change, or maybe not.

Chris

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Chris - totally agree and cant even start to understand anyone fighting the governments cause - they will soon change when you cant do something because of the cost involved - this should have been sorted when we broke the £1 mark. The companies should be undercutting for the business not going with the flow!

As soon as people are forced to stop using cars then the public transport will become stupidly expesive to travel on. So for all you people who are all for using public transport, we are keeping your travelling cost low.
Once public transport have the monopoly, watch the prices hike up!!

As for the gov. 'needing' tax money......
Maybe if they paid for the their 'second' homes out their own pocket instead of using 'our' taxes for it, then maybe taxes on some things could be lowered. Theres load of wasted money that the gov. takes from our taxes that could be better spent, or just not taken in the first place.

Millennium dome anyone? What a waste of 30odd million that was.

Ok I know fuel companies are there to make profits, as most companies are. But when there are the problems with fuel costs that we are having now, surely the gov. needs to step in and say "Hey, you made record profits last year, and we're getting grief from the public and haulage companies are going out of business (which they are), you need to do something about it!"

Its like digging the grand canyon with a tea spoon who ever dug that thing anyway?

A

They used a Spork. :lol:

The US fuel has much less duty on it so they are more closely linked to the rising price of oil.
Even at $4 a gallon (£2.10) - or 54.4p per litre - they are paying less than half the price we are.

Brown and his merry men are making a fortune at the moment.
Our export oil is the same price as the imported oil. - more revenue.
They are getting extra duty on the increased price of the oil.
And then they get even more duty when the oil is converted to fuel and sold to the stations.
Finally - they get extra VAT when we buy the fuel.

I think the general principal at the moment is to screw up the country to a point where the next party can not possibly recover it in one term.

My sentiments exactly.!!:D

Glad someone pointed that out to slowone...

delete

Yep i would happily pay 54.4p per litre but thats at the most expensive end most in the us are under 50p a litre and the americans are fuming over it.
imagine if they had to pay what we do :cry: I think they would all just fill up and leave. In fact i think we should all do that they can't put us all in jail :thumbsup:

Good to see that the haulage companies are finally doing something about it.:thumbsup: