new 4wd tlr?
 

anyone know if there'd going to be a new 4wd losi anytime soon? I currently run a 22 and would like to move to a 4wd car as well at some point but just seems there's a gap in the brand??

How many new cars do you expect them to come out with a year? :lol:

According to some rumours, the new 4WD has been in development for a while. Maybe TLR will release the kit in time for the worlds next year. On the other hand, the venerable XX4 was still good enough for a third place at the Euros this year... We'll have to wait and see!

I just meant is there one in the pipeline........maybe not this year????

There doesn't seem to be much optimism about a new 4wd on the LOSI.COM forum.

No? hhmmmm. I think that seems strange given hat most other manufacturers make a 2wd and 4wd derivative. We can but hope I guess !

not most, look at yokomo they had only a 4 wd for a very long time ^^

I don´t think there will be a 4 wd this year =(

They did the same thing (total denial) when people asked about a 22 SCT variant, so I wouldn't believe anything the factory guys had to say - but at the same time considering the weak sales of 4wd compared to 2wd it doesn't make a whole lot of sense economically to make the investment.

Maybe there's something in the pipeline in time for the worlds in California next year...

Very good effort here, XX-24 on rctech:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...forum-231.html

TBF Yokomo always had a tie in with Associated so never really needed to look at a 2WD car, what is surprising maybe is how long it took them to release one after Associated released the B44 and essentially took the 4WD drivers away from Yokomo.

The right one :D 4WD has gained popularity throughout europe and the UK, the deciding factor would be if the US market has picked up or not as thats the big one really for all the manufacturers, but I do think Losi is missing a trick and probably a lot of sales by not having both platforms.

I hear you, but at the same time it still doesn't make economic sense. They probably sell 10 times the cars in the U.S. as they do in the UK, and if 4wd buggy only sells 1/10th as many cars as 2wd it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to invest in the R&D and production costs just based on UK sales alone. The numbers just aren't there.

But like I said, They did the same thing (total denial) when people asked about a 22 SCT variant, so I wouldn't believe anything the factory guys had to say - but at the same time considering the weak sales of 4wd compared to 2wd it doesn't make a whole lot of sense economically to make the investment.

If a small company like XFactory thinks it's worth it & can afford to make a new 4wd then Losi can;)

That's a good point and losi would surely do a rtr version of a 4wd if they released one so it could serve for both ends of the spectrum. I would of thought that there would be a good market for it worldwide.

No offense to them, but if they actually made all their own pieces and parts instead of relying on those produced by other manufacturers then you might have a viable point. ;) Otherwise, if TLR tried to exist on x-f's puny sales numbers they'd be out of business.

I may be wrong but I think the new X7 4WD is being supplied as a complete car rather than a conversion.

To put to bed the incorrect rumours from post #15 nice and early before they spiral out of control.....

The X7 car will be supplied as a complete kit.

It will be 90% all X-Factory, the diffs and shocks are all that at this point that wont be... As per the X6 all molded parts will be in house, or flat carbon parts will too, only the specialist parts will be outsourced.

Yes parts are made by "industry leaders" for the X7 (and indeed all X-Factory cars), by the likes of JConcepts (bodys and wings), Lunsford (hinge pins, turnbuckles and ballends) and MIP (CVD's, axles, outdrives and top shafts) but this is no different to "ANY" other brand. MIP CVD's featured in cars for years (and with the shocking quality of some of todays efforts I wish they still did), as did Lunsford turnbuckles feature in mnay kits including Losi and Yokomo to name just two and even the latest B44.1 has a JConcepts body in the kit...

As for puny sales, not sure where you have this info from, but in 2008-2010 the X6 dominated the UK tracks in terms of numbers (and results too in many ways), it is only more recently as newer models have come along that numbers have dwindled as the market share gets spread across more and more newer brands, however in the period 08-10 X-Factory sold thousands of X6 kits and as new models like the SCX60CF come out now they continue to do so, the X7 will be no different. Yes, I am more then happy to admit they dont shift 25,000+ RTR kits per annum like some of the other large RC car brands, but then X-Factory have "never" said they wanted to be in the entry level or RTR sector of the market, they have always been and probably always will be a "specialised competition race brand" and with that niche comes smaller sales, but I would not call them puny.....

There is life in the 4wd market and X-Factory have seen that, which is why the X7 project has been ongoing for so long and persevered with and I guess the same reason why the likes of JQ, Xray and others are making new cars too. I am sure TLR are workiong on somthing and I will be shocked if there is not a new TLR 4wd on the grid at the 2013 worlds of some sort.....

There are no myths or rumours...

The factory drivers are all still running XX4 and XXX4 models,

we will know of any TLR 4WD around 2 months before any release!

In theory TLR now have a full range of up to date r/c models minus a 1/10th 4WD buggy and a touring car, so fingers crossed that is what they are now concentrating on.

No rumours???

There are enough statements by factory drivers that they cant comment on the 4WD etc. Looks 100% sure that they are making one, but it was 100% sure that Yoko did a 2WD aswell and it took years to finish it and to put it in production.
Looking at all Losi stuff and how different every singel car is I cant wait to see the 4WD. The XXX4, JRX S, 8ight and 22 all very special cars so I hope the 4WD will be no different

Hmmm, I could do with a pair of those sexy blue outdrives:drool:

New xray, new schumacher, updated b44.2, v3 rango

Cum on plz release one soon losi

Anyone know if TLR are working in a 4wd car ?

Wait untill after the big toy fair in January in Germany

Knowing TLR his car will appear from nowhere, ;)

was there any hint at all about the 22 being released? It was kinda before I was seriously into the sport so I don't know

Well I think it myth be not for now two company have come out whit new machines so marketing wise it not a good timing but I sure would like to see one dough.

Den.

I've heard from a commercial "Horizon hobby" that , at the Nuremberg Saloon in Deutschland, Losi will present lots of products...perhaps including a new 4WD across TLR...The worldchampionship is closed.

Wait and see

Is that show in January?

Yes beginning 2013...30th of January to the 4th of February.
Losi has to present more than 10 products most of them will be for "hobby".

If you want a Losi 4wd get yourself a XX4. All the TLR team run them and Bloomfield got 3rd at the euros this year with his. I heard he didn't even bother with new tyres just one set for the whole day but I don't know how true that is?

Anyway from a personal prospective this year at NE regionals my best result in 4wd was 9th in the B from roughly 50/60 entries each round with my B44.1. Then at the last round I ran my XX4 and qualified 5th. Every time I have raced it loads of ppl chat about how good it looks on the track and asking me questions.

There's been 4wd rumours for years but nothing comes of it. So it you want to stick to Losi why not run arguable the best 4wd ever made and get a XX4. The parts problem is a huge myth you can get 99% of the parts new still. There's various shops stock parts plus sites such as Losi parts house. I made the plunge this year and I'm am loving it!

Is the XX4 better than the XXX4?.

Yes, lots:thumbsup:

The XXX4 was really a touring car made to look like a buggy, bumps weren't it's favorite things, but would still be bloody fast on a smooth track.

XXX4 Needed quite a few mods, mainly steering to get it to be quick.

Rutted out tracks were definitely its enemy!

As for TLR releasing a 4WD buggy. I for one, and this has been discussed quite a lot in depth in other forums, think that it will NOT happen. For many reasons of course, but the biggest one being money.

There is not much of a large market in the US for 4WD anymore, yes you will have people saying, "that is bullshit" "Where I race its huge" but in reality, it is not. It will come back around I am sure, but right now, it is not feasible. I am actually surprised XRAY dropped into it. Horizon Hobby are a Hobby company, not a racing company, and they want to see TLR make money, they can do that with SC's and 2WD. Why produce a massively expensive new car when they don't need to.

The Horizon Hobby bean counters are NOT racers, passionate racers. They are figures people with no "nostalgia" about the good'ol days of Team Losi. They want to see money no matter how it is made. Gil Jr no longer is involved, old school racers no longer call the shots in Team Losi.

Now why don't they just rerelease the XX4WE car and be done with it as it was an awesome car you ask?? Well, there is a story behind that too. And it comes down to money once again. The XX4 was a heavily plastic/composite moulded masterpiece, and the age has unfortunately worked against it. The moulds used to create this car, are old, worn out, and in some instances, not even available. To remake these beautiful moulds is another huge exercise in futility as it costs money.

Maybe this will clear some q's up, maybe it will create more questions than answers, but the bottom line is TLR will not release a 4WD until the current economic climate changes, the industry is not flooded with new 4WD cars and the class, as a whole, regains popularity.

oh and Shaun_TLR, it's a good question mate, a valid one and that is what a forum is for, good discussion about things that interest us :) So cheers and thanks for keeping this discussion up and running!

Cheers. I appreciate that speculation annoys some people, but Im reasonably new to the forum so I've not witnessed any posts like this prior. I only asked the question as Im new and not in the know Re up and coming models. I currently run a 22, 22T and an sx3........so a tlr branded 4wd would fill the void nicely. :)

So do you not fancy a XX4 then Shaun? :)

If Im honest, im not really sure as I dont know much about it. I've recently bought an sx3 (prior to k1 release) that was cheap at the time - just wanted to get into 4wd. Are there any issues with parts etc etc?

Parts are quite easy to get hold of and you can get most of the parts new. I mentioned it earlier on in time thread above.

Set up wise when I got my latest one I reAd all the posts in the locked threads on this Losi section. I just read through it. Once you get a good base set u you don't have to change it around much but I read set ups from Tom C and Danny M as they were TLR drivers when the posts were made.

If you want to know anymore feel free to dro me a PM :)

Ps I posted pics of my XX4 the other day in the 1/10 section in the show me your 1/10 thread

Hmmmm food for thought. Ill have a look round the post thanks :)

Ive just finished replaceing the ballcups on my XX4 that completes my restoration as i had some left over from another build, i managed to purchase my old car last year pure coincidence it was on ebay and i saw it after 10-15 years lol

I did use it last year and it was much nicer to drive than my B44.1 its just i wanted to shelf it as it had memories attached.

If you can get one as said parts are available and to drive its mint, im hunting now for a sedcond one so I can have it as a spare car.