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jimmy 14-07-2012 01:08 PM

Xray 4WD electric buggy?
 
Neobuggy got a photo of an apparent Xray prototype 4WD buggy from the EFRA Euros which is currently underway in Austria.


This is the first hard evidence we've seen of an Xray buggy after years of rumours. It's strange that the team have gone to a 4WD platform first when 2WD is the more popular choice world wide - but maybe there's a 2WD coming also.

It's hard to get a real idea from a body-on photo but the buggy looks a little '8th' - with the beefy construction and big dampers. The wing and wheels look like Team Durango items whilst the body looks 'familiar' but I can't place it.
No ideas on drivetrain yet but I'm sure we'll get some news soon.

jimmy 14-07-2012 01:12 PM

Posted by Mark Christopher:

http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/news...?storyid=12273

http://www.neobuggy.net/images/News/xray4wd.jpg

mark christopher 14-07-2012 01:13 PM

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthre...442#post674442 (jimmy set me up as a news hound!!)


alloy chassis and layout similar to a b44, carbon flex top deck as tc. poss gear diffs :lol:

Fatal1ty 14-07-2012 01:14 PM

Yokomo Bmax4 cab forward body! ;-)

jimmy 14-07-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 674449)
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthre...442#post674442 (jimmy set me up as a news hound!!)


alloy chassis and layout similar to a b44, carbon flex top deck as tc. poss gear diffs :lol:


I will!
I need to work out a way to make it easy for you to do - bear with me! :thumbsup:

mark christopher 14-07-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 674451)
I will!
I need to work out a way to make it easy for you to do - bear with me! :thumbsup:

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

johnboy 14-07-2012 02:20 PM

It will be typical xray expensive will need to buy aload of expensive hop up parts to make it go right. Spares will be expensive and a new model out every two minutes.

Lonestar 14-07-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnboy (Post 674478)
It will be typical xray expensive will need to buy aload of expensive hop up parts to make it go right. Spares will be expensive and a new model out every two minutes.

but quality will be second to none and the car simply wont wear out... xray, the most reasonable choice for 99% of racers...

JohnM 14-07-2012 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonestar (Post 674487)
but quality will be second to none and the car simply wont wear out... xray, the most reasonable choice for 99% of racers...

What a load of old balls, where I race is also a touring car club, and a few of the chaps have had Xray cars, none of them seem to be built all that special to me, parts seem to break/wear out just as much if not more then the other brands being used there.

Plus it's not as if Xray cars are proving to be unbeatable in any of the classes they race in, results seem to be very ordinary at best.

jim76 14-07-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnM (Post 674493)
What a load of old balls, where I race is also a touring car club, and a few of the chaps have had Xray cars, none of them seem to be built all that special to me, parts seem to break/wear out just as much if not more then the other brands being used there.

Plus it's not as if Xray cars are proving to be unbeatable in any of the classes they race in, results seem to be very ordinary at best.

couldn't agree more. their quality is no better than any other major established brand. At the end of the day, if you crash a buggy at speed something is going to break no matter what manufacturer.
plus their constant new chassis versions annoys a lot of racers in a similar way to football clubs releasing new replica kits every 6 months to fleece more cash out of people.
Will be interesting to see how they get on in the offroad market which has swollen with models again after a few sparse years

bzb 14-07-2012 04:10 PM

wow will i be the first to comment on the car itself? nice...

look beefy in the front, decent car :wub:thumbsup:

Chris Larner 14-07-2012 04:12 PM

Xray
 
The other great thing Xray do to annoy everyone is bring out a new version of every kit every few weeks and the sheep still love to buy them. But we will see when club drivers start to try them.

discostu 14-07-2012 04:30 PM

This car can only be a good thing for off road racing you can put money on the hardened tc racer will buy one and join us.

Jms84 14-07-2012 04:36 PM

Personally can't wait, loved the build and endurable of there touring cars.
Looks very 8th, guessing its going to be a shaft drive?

tellor 14-07-2012 04:36 PM

I can only think that those who slag off the xray brand have never had one, coz anyone who has wouldn't.

They've set the standards while others catch up, almost every new idea comes from the Xray factory before others have even thought of it

If your instruction manual has improved....Thank Xray
If your laser etching on driveshafts and ARB is on there....Thank Xray
If you've got a gear diff ....thank Xray

and for anyone who has ever driven a serpent or Durango...Thank Xray

My cars
B4 and B44 and old Xray XB8 and soon to be XB10-4

jim76 14-07-2012 05:45 PM

i have owned an Xray before, hence why i will be steering well clear of this one. The cost of a pair of wishbones would probably bankrupt me. That's if they actually sell them as a pair, as opposed to individually like on my old touring car.

Gear Diffs? i'm pretty sure they were around LONG before X-ray were even started up!

lazer etching on driveshafts? Who gives a toss, i'd rather have a plain pair at £10 less per pair!

discostu 14-07-2012 05:58 PM

the original xrayt1 was based on a tamiya 414 the xray 05 was based on a tamiya 415 the xray t2 was based on the tamiya 415msx.

dont get me wrong the xrays are very good cars but to say they come up with all the new ideas doesnt ring true

oh and serpent (s400) put the first oil filled gear diff in a modern tc.

stu

discostu 14-07-2012 06:08 PM

6 Attachment(s)
here is the proof tamiyas came first:thumbsup:

Hpi_guy 14-07-2012 06:09 PM

It looks a lot like a kyosho lazer to me

mark christopher 14-07-2012 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tellor (Post 674514)
I can only think that those who slag off the xray brand have never had one, coz anyone who has wouldn't.

They've set the standards while others catch up, almost every new idea comes from the Xray factory before others have even thought of it

If your instruction manual has improved....Thank Xray
If your laser etching on driveshafts and ARB is on there....Thank Xray
If you've got a gear diff ....thank Xray

and for anyone who has ever driven a serpent or Durango...Thank Xray

My cars
B4 and B44 and old Xray XB8 and soon to be XB10-4


xray did not do the 1st gear diff, by a long way

Durango was not xray it was the serpent (i was a serpent driver when they released the prototype buggy wich was later sold to the company who own durango!) as i saw it at the serpent factory.
serpent was not xray, the only tie was hudy supplied them thier spring steel parts and then Hudy company was formed. NOT xray

please get your facts correct!

and before you follow up, i have an xray 808, nt1,rx8,xb9 and t3

racingdwarf 14-07-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 674448)

Thought they could have blown the budget on a new wing:lol:, rear springs look short

Moose 14-07-2012 08:19 PM

I am happy about every new company in offroad. I can t be angry xray joins us but not a single car by xray was interesting (ok the M18 is special and not a bad car at all). All onroad cars are more or less ripoffs. If something better will come up they will bring a new buggy just copying the car that won the last worlds, not improve their own ideas.
I bet the final car will be a B44.1 with turned front shock tower and two own ideas they will remove in the 2013 version.
And they will release 10 pics of prototype cars that look all strange but somehow they ended up with a car looking like an other sucessful car.
Xray quality is ok and if you are a big fan of cut threads and logos on the parts it s you car. But durability and shock quality is not Tamiya or Kyosho quality.
The B4 is now a very old car still getting new parts and most people like the car because of the support. That will never happen at xray nor will you get something new like the 511 back than.

jimmy 14-07-2012 08:25 PM

I'm excited to see this buggy also - I do hope it's not another JConcepts BJ4 Worlds though - I want to see something mad. Give me chain drive please :thumbsup:

MeBeMikey 14-07-2012 09:13 PM

Brilliant! I heard the rumours a while ago! Notice my sig! Whohooooooooo!

spud31 14-07-2012 09:58 PM

looks like an xb809 scaled down

jimmy 14-07-2012 10:03 PM

Centre diff as standard, anyone?

Peakki 14-07-2012 10:13 PM

I've been waiting this for years. This project has been on going for at least 5 to 10 years.

I Really don't mind about copying other cars - this is the company which has capability to do plastics RIGHT.
After about 6 touring cars, two pan cars and one Cat SX and now running FS2, can't really wait to get to hands on a car which simply is right about details and loaded with quality.

Hope they get it fast from the start! :thumbsup:

It looks like a easy car to mechanic, for example Lazer is way too complex with so many screws only to get hands on the diff! Among many other things...

ojoloco 14-07-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peakki (Post 674650)
I Really don't mind about copying other cars - this is the company which has capability to do plastics RIGHT.

I agree. Quality is second to none on their cars and this won't be any exception.

Great to finally see this project going somewhere, leaving rumor-land for good :)

MILKY 15-07-2012 09:08 AM

The xray t1 was an almost carbon copy of the corally c4,which was a carbon copy of the 414:thumbsup:

Oh And as regard to prices of say a driveshaft...Ansmann list the x4 driveshafts as £40 A pair!!!

lochness42 15-07-2012 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 674607)
I'm excited to see this buggy also - I do hope it's not another JConcepts BJ4 Worlds though - I want to see something mad. Give me chain drive please :thumbsup:

You'll be disappointed then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 674645)
Centre diff as standard, anyone?

Not going to happen - std slipper clutch

Adam F 15-07-2012 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peakki (Post 674650)
It looks like a easy car to mechanic, for example Lazer is way too complex with so many screws only to get hands on the diff! Among many other things...

What? the Lazer is by far the easiest 4wd car to work on I have ever had! As for plastics quality I don't think you could get much better..

5 - 10 years??! :eh?: Thats just ridiculous! Guessing the project was picked up and dropped a lot over that time!

Either way, will be interesting to see just how revolutionary this car is...

discostu 15-07-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MILKY (Post 674699)
The xray t1 was an almost carbon copy of the corally c4,which was a carbon copy of the 414:thumbsup:

Oh And as regard to prices of say a driveshaft...Ansmann list the x4 driveshafts as £40 A pair!!!

yeah i thought there was a corrally in there some where but any how nothing original there then.:thumbsup:

Moose 15-07-2012 12:02 PM

@Jimmy: don t expect too much by xray. But with three companies coming with a car I guess at least one car will make you happy. JQ, TLR or Awesomatix.
edit: or serpent of corse

mark christopher 15-07-2012 12:35 PM

http://www.rc-area.co.uk/wp-content/...Buggyfront.jpg

Lonestar 16-07-2012 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discostu (Post 674549)
the original xrayt1 was based on a tamiya 414 the xray 05 was based on a tamiya 415 the xray t2 was based on the tamiya 415msx.

dont get me wrong the xrays are very good cars but to say they come up with all the new ideas doesnt ring true

oh and serpent (s400) put the first oil filled gear diff in a modern tc.

stu

The T1 was based of the corally C4/C4.1... itself very related to the Serpent impulse... partly designed/manufactured by Hudy... then when's the last time a TRF used PBS F/R??? and if you really want to keep going that route... keep in mind the C4 was released a couple of years before the 414.... in other words... sorry... bad comparison ;)

If you diss the xray touring cars as being of "normal" quality you certainly haven't tried one... they don't handle any different that the other top-dogs, but the quality is exquisite, both plastics and alloys are the finest in business, which means a LOT less maintenance and parts replacement, and that's why they're particularly adapted to MOST RC'ers and are the "sensible" choice... I challenge anyone to find a (ball) diff on the market that, when built right, will last as long as a xray diff before needing a rebuild... Parts are expensive, but they barely wear out compared to say a tamiya or a HB.

I'm not a xray fanboi, and I run a lot of brands on my many cars without being stuck with one even within one category(AE in 10th OR 4WD, undecided on 2WD for this winter season, Mugen on 8th OR, xray on 10th DTM, ...) ... but when xray starts doing 10th scale offroads I'll buy one, maybe not the first car though, I'll wait for the first evolution (they need to do their teething like all the others ;) ) Same for Mugen, the day when Mugen does a 10th scale offroader, I'll get one... quality stuff :)

Paul

Lonestar 16-07-2012 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 674607)
Give me chain drive please :thumbsup:

and rear-mounted motors, and lay down front shocks, and a slipper clutch in the pinion!!!

(wait a sec.... ;) )

12-nitroman 17-07-2012 02:48 PM

buggy
 
it kinda reminds me of a bmax from yok,is it based on that car,are they using parts from yok at the front because the fr arms look like a bmax or maybe caster?

12-nitroman 17-07-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12-nitroman (Post 675632)
it kinda reminds me of a bmax from yok,is it based on that car,are they using parts from yok at the front because the fr arms look like a bmax or maybe caster?

also some bx in there too.

discostu 17-07-2012 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonestar (Post 675068)
The T1 was based of the corally C4/C4.1... itself very related to the Serpent impulse... partly designed/manufactured by Hudy... then when's the last time a TRF used PBS F/R??? and if you really want to keep going that route... keep in mind the C4 was released a couple of years before the 414.... in other words... sorry... bad comparison ;)

If you diss the xray touring cars as being of "normal" quality you certainly haven't tried one... they don't handle any different that the other top-dogs, but the quality is exquisite, both plastics and alloys are the finest in business, which means a LOT less maintenance and parts replacement, and that's why they're particularly adapted to MOST RC'ers and are the "sensible" choice... I challenge anyone to find a (ball) diff on the market that, when built right, will last as long as a xray diff before needing a rebuild... Parts are expensive, but they barely wear out compared to say a tamiya or a HB.

I'm not a xray fanboi, and I run a lot of brands on my many cars without being stuck with one even within one category(AE in 10th OR 4WD, undecided on 2WD for this winter season, Mugen on 8th OR, xray on 10th DTM, ...) ... but when xray starts doing 10th scale offroads I'll buy one, maybe not the first car though, I'll wait for the first evolution (they need to do their teething like all the others ;) ) Same for Mugen, the day when Mugen does a 10th scale offroader, I'll get one... quality stuff :)

Paul

hey paul yeah you are correct i vagely remeber a corrally being the base car but i suppose when i drove for xray back in 2003 with t1 the t1 evo and the t1r the car was pretty good i cant realy complain about the xray cars after all i had 5 natinal a finals and missied a win by 0.2 of a second with it a carpet wars championship the vegacup two day.

but what i will say the fk05 was defiintly based on the world championship winning 415ms and the t2 was based on the 415 msx.

the t2 deffintly was not as good as the 415msx i had one of david spashetts prototype 415 msx and that car was just amazing. i prefered it over the production car.

all in all i think the 10th buggy will be very good ive heard good things about the 8th car.

I certainly will keep in eye on it

stu:thumbsup:

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