X11
 

Just woundering how many people run an x11 these days ????

Ooooooh yes indeed!
:thumbsup:

I'm the fastest and only pred driver in Belgium :thumbsup:

i from Italy

Japan:p

I'd LIKE to run a Predator, but here in the states, its not as easily supported as other companies (AE, Losi, Kyosho Etc) and although I tend to think outside the box and try to be different from everyone, it doesn't always work that way.

I've like the pred. design since they first came out many years ago. I think the new improvements are awesome and though I race on Clay and grooved dirt track, I think it still could be a contender here.


I love reading about the Xtreme Cars doing well.



MOmo

pred x1108
 

i ran one of these in wales for 5 years. althore i loved the pred and went well with it, since going to the losi xx4/xxx4 i am doing much better at the regional's.

i think its a case of an old car that was to advanced for it's time and now the new brands are getting better. i do admit losi are yet to bring out a new 4wd but for me its just the way the cookie crumbles..out with the pred..in with the losi.

what ever your choice is in the end, enjoy you rc racing.:thumbsup:

Pred is not a popular as it should be....but I think it will have it's turn again soon...

Look at the Losi xx4!;)

I am in Canada, I run the X11 08..

I believe the pred is just as good as every other car out there, and I might even risk stating it's a little better then most of then despite it's age.
The car requires a totally different approach to set-up in order to get the most out of it, but once you wrap your head around it and get it dialed, it's a very hard car to beat.
I've been running preds since the XK98, both on and off road, and I've won 5 national titles with them, 3 of which were off-road, on loose dirt tracks with big jumps, where the car handled way better then most convensional cars because it was setup correctly for those conditions.
The cars biggest problem was allways support, which in this case is a lot more important because of how unique the car is and the (no) availability of spare parts.
After taking a three year break from racing, I started racing again mid season of last year to get back in shape for the upcoming season. I was plannig on running the X11-08, but after some vary poor expirience with the communication with Xtreme, I've realised that I would'nt be competative as I can't relay on a steady and solid support, so this year I've decided to run a Durango.
I'll be constantly checking the forums and peoples reactions hoping to see that the communication with Team Xtreme improves as well as their support, which will hopefully enable me to get back to racing a pred.

Hi Itsik,

I am sorry to see that you have posted this on here. As you know I did do my best to accomodate you this January. You asked for a kit and spares - I worked it out and emailed it to you. I then explained the costs etc. We did discount the parts and kits due to you previously having a shop - (which I believe you no longer have). I am afraid we were not able to sell you the kit at less than what it costs us. You didn't reply to wether you still wanted the kit or spares.

On the basis of this I don't think that your post is fair or factually correct.

Hi Yanina.

First and foremost, please don't take this the wrong way. This was in no way intended as an attack or anything, and if it sounds like that, that's probably my English rather then anything else.
Second, where did I mention anything about money and/or prices any where in my post?
If you read my post you'll see that I was talking purely about communication and support, which is, in my view, a must for any one trying to be competative with a car that you can get spares for from only one place in the world (at least that I'm aware off ...).
It's a pity you decided to respond the way you did because If you read my post again, you'll see that your assumptions about me and my intentions are incorrect and your response is totally uncalled for.
What I said was that despite everything I'll be following the car and any info on it hoping to see that I can get back to driving it competitively in the next season, because I still think this is the best 4WD buggy in production today.

Folks, can you please conduct your handbag fight via PM? Not only am I not interested, but it isn't exactly promoting the product...

What promotion, I PM'd and got zero response... (that mind you, is not y issue with this company, its everything else that is wrong with it) Terrible promotion from a bad company with little to zero care with this car. they jump on whatever flavour of the month is, and at the moment it is the vega products as they are doing well nationally. Horrible promotion of a product and even worse parts support or even answering questions from people wanting to use this car. I have two x10's and want to run an x11 but NO WAY. Why pay £358 for a car that they obviously dont give a crap about... its basically at paper weight.... Look at the website.... Kev Lee is still a team member? Ellis Stafford news from 2009? Come on, its taking the piss seriously.

When they first came out, awesome support and promotion but now........zero promotion and support and even worse customer care....
But why care about all the customers that have bought this car based on when Xtreme first purchased the brand, when there is now more money to be made somewhere else. Take your money (and it is a HUGE amount for a car) and run... They have our money, so why care?

Hopeless, useless and I for one am staying well clear of these guys and their products...

READ THIS..... FROM 2010!!!!!! IT IS NOW MID 2012 AND IT SEEMS THEY HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST INCOMPETENT COMPANIES IN THE INDUSTRY.

http://www.the-pred.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=727.0

Why oh why don't you do us all a favour and either listen to your customers (that you do not care at all about) or stop all together. Stop promising and not delivering.

The worst part, and I really mean the WORST is that Yanina comes onto this website and has the nerve to promote Vega and other products, all the while not answering questions, commenting on X11 customer issues or at the very least, try to solve the problems.

If this isnt one of the most blatant, got your money, now f%#k off attitudes, then I dont know what is.

Its disgraceful and these things I am typing, have been a long time coming. I have tried to say nothing, but the more you read and the worse this sorry company gets.

because I LOVE it....:thumbsup:
all other problems is nothing....

i remember the promotion for the xrs: it's dirty and you love it... yes....i love it.:p

But you do realise you are being taken advantage of right?

How can you run a car like this without parts? Hunt, search, cannibalise? All valid forms of finding parts, but why bother?

My point is, they are quite happy to sell you a £358.33 (and that is POUNDS, god it is an expensive car) but no back up, no help, no setups, no support and no parts.

Doesn't it insult you at all? You don't seem to be a stupid person, does it sit well with you?

If you wanna be a sucker, by all means, that is your choice.

i run pred from the 2007, without any big problems to order parts, yes the car is expensive, the change euro/british pounds is not good for me, but i have try: bj4 w.e., schum cat (used in 4 race, with 4 k.o.) and i not change my pred for that kits... my local club is vendor for durango in italy... but i prefer my little pred....yes the site is old, and the.pred.co.uk is not clear... (forum pred, and the shop don't sale the pred???:confused:
i wish to next for a new big driver for the pred, and a more support.

I hope you know that your dedication means nothing to the owners of team xtreme..

I, like most predator owners are fed up being treated like idiots.... And most customers are voting with their wallets and taking their business elsewhere. I am one of those.

The sheer lack of these cars running should tell them something. Or they just dont care, when they have your money, why should they? I would think it is the latter.

You have basically highlighted all the problems and what I have been saying.

What more can be said than: "yes the site is old, and the.pred.co.uk is not clear... (forum pred, and the shop don't sale the pred???:confused:"

ok ,

Well was going to watch this drift by but thought i would have my little say and its only that so please don't take it as any form of attack !!!

As most of you know i love the pred i would run one in a heartbeat but time wouldn't allow.

I have never had a bad experience but then again i may of just been lucky, the pred has always been a love it or hate it car and my be my love for this car may of given me some rose tinted specs when it came to ordering parts. But as for team xtreme and my dealings with them have always been second to none and they have always sorted me out with what i needed.

Yes the focus has been shifted to the vega but with any business you have to go were the money is. The pred was never a massively used car so they would have to add other products to that range as they did with the vega. I hope as every one does that as that seems to be gong well the attention would shift back to the pred, but remember that for you and I its a hobby and for xtreme its a business.

Having said that though if people have had bad experiences thats a shame but people only tend to report whats bad and forget about the good !!!

only my thoughts, good luck to every one that runs the car and of course to xtreme.

I too, love the car... A great car and one I would love to race again, confident in having parts and wanting to push development.

What I dont like is Team Xtreme's attitude toward its customers and the product that they once so proudly pushed and supported, then left their customers out to dry.

Yes it is a business, and you are correct you go where the money is, but still taking customers money and not supplying a product? Thats just wrong and as I said, insulting.

Its like a teenager going through phases, have these people ever run a business before? There is a reason why the business is going bad, maybe Gordon Ramsay should branch out to help Team Xtreme, or better yet, they should watch his kitchen nighmares show, I can imagine a lot of truths will hit home with these guys.

the last paragraph was a joke btw :)

I ordered some bits sunday and they turned up this morning(tuesday) . cant complane at that. the longest i have waited was 3 days i think.
i have spoke to them on the phone and they have always been most help full.
personally i couldnt say any thing bad really. just need some updates for the pred. but as stated some where else even schumacher only concerntrate one one car at a time but look what extreame are doing. how many different typesof vagas are there.

manic

For sure I can email you, no problems at all. Not sure what it will solve. As I dont want anything from you apart from good customer service, feedback, a website that is not at least 3 years old with 3 year old info. Updates, news of the X11, no more reports of no contact or parts taking months to surface with no explanation.

If you go back through forums on both this website and other forums including the-pred.co.uk, you will in fact notice a familiar pattern.

I supplied you with a link, click on it and back in 2010, you will notice the dismay and disappointment of many previous customers. This goes way back, further than 2010 even.

How can you explain away this? I am just the one who is saying something strong about it. As it is quite, as I put it previously, insulting to say the least. It has only gotten to this point due bad experiences by many people over many years.

None of this is made up or fictional, it has actually happened to many. You cannot deny this fact.

Why do this via email when it is us, the people who deserve a response, not me via a single email?

Definitely not an argument is wanted.

The only thing required is good old fashioned support of a product that costs, in terms of other brands, a LARGE amount of money.

People support this car for the love, not performance in particular. Show some back by way of how I and others have mentioned, and this car will be featured much more.

Cheers and Im done.

There have been many run-ins with the the team and the support of the X11. I will say, there are companies that market alot less but still maintain high customer satisfaction.

There are several things I would think we'd like to see. But we're also still waiting on the X11RS

I think they should drop the car if they're done developing it.. Especially since you guys don't even help here..but are more than willing to jump into Vega threads.

I guess we're just asking for some equality and not feeling like 2nd class citizens.. Is hard for us to be exited about a car the manufacturing company has forgotten.

I just thought I would throw in my 2 cents... I drive a Predator X11-08 here in Ottawa, Canada and I have never had an issue getting parts for my car!
I am very proud to run their car here because I like to be different.
Sure it may take a while for them to get me an e-mail response but I expect that, as I know Xtreme is a family run company with only Yanina and Lewis doing all the work.
As for price, these are not mass produced units that are molded in china, so dont expect a china price!
You should see what the exchange rate is from CDN to GBP!!:woot:

Noone expects a lower price... re read what I said previously.

Its a massively priced car, in that price you should at least expect some form of support or as has been said above. Just drop the car and move on.

They are more than happy to develop a 2wd conversion but their flagship brand, the one that put them on the map, the one customers buy purely for the uniqueness, dedication, love and difference it represents and the one dependent on large support, has been forgotten about.

Lets be honest here, it is a dog of a car on most tracks apart from billiard table smooth clay or astroturf. Hence Kev lees massive mods to the rear end to give it a more "conventional" shock setup, and a full document of other mods to keep it running.

For the sheer price, dedication and LOYALTY Predator customers have shown do you not think Xtreme should repay them just slightly and give confidence in a brand they have pushed............and then stone cold dropped, after everyone shelled out large ££ only to be forgotten about.

I know it is not just me that feels this, seriously Loyalty to a brand only gets you so far. Me, well I can only do one thing, vote with my wallet and walk away, as many are doing or have already done. I encourage you to do the same.

Do you own and run a pred currently?

I did.....yes. Not that it matters though.

I have two x10's and an x11 for sale if you are interested.

I challenge anyone, to deny what has been written by others, in other forums and tell me it is just me that has a problem.


http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46501

I personally have never had a problem.they where extreamly helpfyl when i wanted bits for a pred pro lewis called me a few times to sort out different parts gor the car
. as for hits for mine and my sons x11's i think the longest i waited was 3 days for my spares to cme. other than that they have been next day

manic

Ron at his finest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmj9H...e_gdata_player

hahaha

Ron are you listening?..... No :)

In all seriousness...

The point of my, if you would like to call it this, rant is to highlight the fact that TX are really neglecting their most important asset.

Its been a bash fest and I apologise for that, but I dont apologise for highlighting various truths about the situation with TX.

If it is fixed, and TX either be honest and drop the X11 and concentrate on pastures greener or fix the issues like contact, feedback, promotion, support, have some consistency and support the damn car that its fans love so much.

You cant argue with other opinions, and there are many, and continue the same way. Something is wrong, it is plain to see. It needs fixing or shut it down. We can all talk until we are blue in the face, see this as serious constructive critisicm.

This was meant to be the revival of this great car...Not the slow and painful torture and death of a once dominant brand that it has turned into.

I know this may sound bad but if you are selling the cars I would be interested

Ron... Why?
Why not just use inside line or team Xtreme ?
We have established that pred spares are available and people are receiving them , and vega ( all though custom made in batches )
What more do you want from one man?
Sort and manufacture 6 types of cars
Example
Note to self
Must sort tomorrow
Stickers / Tooling / jigs/ machining / bodyshells / hardware / bearings / balls / injection mouldings / anodising / plating / printing / tapping / springs / seals / R&d /materials sourcing / testing / sort team drivers / emails / answer phone / update website / packaging / post / etc etc etc etc
Then get slated for doing it
What exactly do you want
Ron ?
What else would you like?
Maybe a team Xtreme weekly you tube video of Lewis say spinning plates , uni cycle slalom or maybe one handed hand stands
The choice is yours! lol

Either you cant read, don't want to listen or are blind.

Read my post again son.

It'll be us "lol"ling when team xtreme goes under. You dont want to listen to the consumer, that is cool with me. Gives me and all the other predator customers more reason to have no confidence in you/them. And to know it was the best decision to move on. Mate I am smiling all the way, more money that is in my pocket, than theirs.

Refer to my and numerous other posts as to what people want. It is definitely not unreasonable what we have asked, we have said we are willing to support the brand and company, IF they support the brand itself.

Ill say it again, read all my posts and the threads from others on this subject and then get back to me and tell me that we are all wrong..

To be honest i would love to run the predator again but the one and only time i ordered parts i had a bad experience.I needed parts asap,placed the order by phone and even paid extra for the special next day delivery,was told it would be with me the next day....One week later the parts still had'nt arrived....many many phone calls and they were on my doorstep.

Now i really am not digging but it and the other posts i have read were the single biggest factor of me binning the x11 08.

Sad but true.:(