Thanks and some questions
 

Hi,

I just wanted to say thanks to Dudders and (I think) Tartman (apologies if I misheard your login) for a very warm welcome this morning. The point of me coming along was to see whether I really wanted to get involved again and to see what had really changed and whether it had left me too far behind Not having raced in about 20 years.

Well all I can say is thanks and yes, I shall be taking the plunge as the day looked a lot of fun. And that's basically what I'm in it for - the grin factor

So, as was mentioned, if I had any questions I should post them up here so please be gentle

As Dudders suggested the budget is c. £500 - 600

1) Car - looks like I'm going for the losi 22 from all the reviews I've read in the last week. Any known issues I should be aware of?

2) Radio Tx and Rx - going for a steering wheel setup but have no idea of what is good / bad so suggestions pls.

3) Motor.- I see lots available and have memories of a few companies eg Reedy but again recommendations would be appreciated, plus with there not being a need for lots of different motors what should I be looking for?

4) speed controller - as above for the motor

5) charger - as above

6) batteries - these new Lipo ones are unknown to me bar the introduction I was given to them this morning. Who makes good ones and anything else I need to know or where I should look at?

I guess that'll do to start with. I appreciate I've probably just asked for the world and there is a whole Internet full of info but I don't know where to start

Thanks in advance

Chris

Hi,

Here are a few thoughts from me:

1) Have you thought about a SV2 as the 22 is poor in the wet - I'd choose a SV2 over a 22 any day of the week. If You want to spend more a Kyosho based Vega or DB ;)

2) Sanwa every day of the week would be my thought - M11X - expensive, but the one item that should outlast everything else

3) I'd go for an 8.5 in a 2WD, look at Orion, HPI, Tekin in my view. Good for most tracks, indoors, EPR, and any of the bigger flowing tracks.
http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php.../hpi-flux.html

4) I'd go for either a Speed Passion LPF or an Orion R10, both perfectly fine for 2WD and 8.5 etc. You could turbo the motor if you needed to due to racing at a bigger track. http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php...-esc-blue.html

5) Charger, check out Core RC chargers, good value and do the job - www.racing-cars.com

6) Batteries I'd say Orion saddle 5500 90C, however I have heard good things re the new HPI LIPOs
http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php...ck-40-7wh.html

7) Servo, I'd look at Savox, Spektrum or Orion

Shops I'd use:

www.the-pred.co.uk
www.rccarshop.co.uk
www.jespares.com
www.dmsracing.com

I have used others, but these I feel have delivered the best service

Hi Chris,

Was good to chat, I handed you over the Darren and Chris then didnt see you again!

Echo most of what Mikey said by a 2wd motor at our track is 10.5 and then fiddle with the ESC settings to give a boost.

Apex Model's in Crowthorne stock most stuff, You'll get discount there as well! (James and Dean who were racing with us today work there) and they are the club sponsored shop.

Main thing is to go with your gut car wise. Lipo.motor wise, they'll all do the job :thumbsup:

Neil, sorry for not stopping around to chat further. I actually found the guys really helpful and I could see that you were busy with the day so I didn't want to intrude.

All the conversations were really helpful though, the atmosphere was very welcoming and a general :thumbsup: from me.

I'll enquire about the Apex models discount, that'd be nice and in the next week or so I'll spec up what I'm thinking of getting and see what people think.

Given what else I have on my plate I won't actually be able to turn up for maybe a month, but I'll stick around on the forum now I'm here and see if I can pop by for one of the Tuesday or Thursday sessions once more

Hi the sv2 is a great car but the losi 22 is also great
I even know some who finds the 22 better in the wet then he ever
got with his sv in the dry But c4.1 is good also if u want to spend abit more

Ok so my car shopping list is looking like (please escuse block caps)....

Car - Losi 22
Radio SPEKTRUM DX3C 3CH DSM2
Speed controller - SPEED PASSION GT - LPF BRUSHLESS ESC VERSION 2.0 with additional fan
Battery - TEAM ORION CARBON PRO 5500MAH 90C 7.4V SADDLE (x2)
Motor - Tekin 10.5
Charger. CORE RC UAC50 CHARGER 12V/110-240V

Servo - no idea at all

So I appreciate everyone will have their opinions but this keeps me in budget but any positivei or negative feedback welcomed as when I last did this I'd grown my collection of kit organically.

Thanks

Can't see any issues there to be honest.

I use Savox metal gear servo's in all my trucks and buggies. I've standardised on 1251's.

As you have opted for the Losi 22 that cuts down the choice on servos as you'll need a low profile one.

I have
Savox 1257 x 2
Savox 1258 x 1
Orion VDS-1009 x 1

One thing with the savox servos is that they can draw a lot of power, so you can end up with brown outs on the Spektrum radios. So you need to look at a power cap for the reciever etc. That's why they aren't top of my list these days, good value yes, do the job yes, but at times would have choosen something else.

1251 from Savox - ok, nothing special, bit slow and have seen a number with stripped gears.
Orion VDS-1009 - very nice, but more expensive.
Spektrum http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php...w-profile.html
Sanwa - http://www.rccarshop.co.uk/index.php...0kg-cm-6v.html

My choice

Orion
Spektrum
Savox

You'll also need to think about space in the car etc. and I'm not sure how big the spektrum RX is you'll get with that radio. Either way fitting kit into a 22 is a challenge lol

One thing you have missed off his a Personal Transponder - PT.

These come from AMB/My Laps or MRT. I use the My Laps PT and haven't missed any laps

AMB PT - http://www.xtreme-rc.org.uk/catalog/...1f9a0a90f36e63

Don't forget to budget for tyres and wheels etc. Schumacher mini spikes for the dry (Yellow) and ballistic buggy greens for the wet as a general rule

Speed controller i would also look at something else. I would personally go for a Hobbywing 120A V2.1 as these are also rated for motors down to 5.5, which when you progress you may want to change your 10.5 to something a bit quicker. Hobbywing are teh designers, Speed Passion just rebrand it for the UK.

for servo has to be a savox 1258. simply a fit and forget item ;)
nathan

Hi mate,

Would agree for 90% of cars, but will that fit in a 22 :confused:

I have a 1258 in Vega and FS :thumbsup:

Re HW would still pick a Speed Passion over a HW any day of the week

ESC wise the new Hobbywind V3 is due to arrive in the UK any time now so I would wait for that. :thumbsup:

New HPI too I think

I think what we'll all agree on is we all have our own preferences here, but all will the do the job (if they fit in) for a newby.

Lets not try and confuse the poor chap!!! Any of the suggestions above (or yours) will be 100% perfect for you and work perfectly good.

not to argue mikey but have double checked. in mid configuration you can fit the full size servo but you do have to be creative with the radio layout. most of the team do run a halfheight servo to allow more room or so im reliably informed after double checking lol :thumbsup:

Ok no worries dude - how was the national? :) - I'm sure you're fitting, soldering skills are a tad better than most of us :)

I stand corrected.

Oh and I forgot the other Savox 1258 servo in my trusty Losi XXCR which needs a bit of track time soon. :lol:

HI
 

Sorry for not replying earlier been busy.

The 22 is what i run now and love it, and as mentioned to you Sunday(nice chatting) i use mine in the wet alot and its awsome, better than the SV was.
Yes its a little tight for electrics, but a spektrum micro revceiver and a normal ESC(speedo) will still fit in as i use these and a 1258 savox full size servo.
I would say you dont need to get the high priced Lipo's you mentioned, plenty of cheaper options that will perform perfectly.

I would say an 8.5 is a good start motor wise, I run a 7.5t in my 22.

Core RC charger great(i use one)

Come along and see the buggies in more detail. there were not many there sunday as it was the SC national. but club evenings will be better for a good nose.

As Dudders said, we all have our own preference's and we will all advise differently.
So you will have to go for what you like the look of etc really.

Feel free to have a close look at any of our stuff to give you a better idea, were all friendly as you saw Sunday.... well, mostt of us are LOL....

see you soon.

Darren:thumbsup:

I'd seriously think about getting this one if you want a Losi 22

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101110

Dobber - thansk for the suggestion. The £100 saving is a great prospect but I'd really miss the occasion of building it :(

Tartman - which batteries woudl you recommend then, I'm having trouble finding something that I presume is simalr for less money. Any suugeestions welcomed

You could always do what most of us do. buy second hand than strip and rebuild when you get it.

try hobbypartz.com gens ace cells about 26quid a pack or hobbyking.com turnigy nano tech cells around 30quid a pack. gens ace are lower rating but i use them and am A regular club a finalist. also they are brca legal unlike the turnigys although both ae perfect for club racing.

I would always go BRCA approved as not using approved kit does affect the insurance aspect. Regardless if it's a brca sanctioned event.

Incorrect Mikey, Read page 24 of the 2012 handbook under 'Race Equipment'.

Saying that though, to get BRCA Hologamation the equipment needs to be vetted so is a worthwhile purchase for future, also it will give you a little piece of mind it's been check sufficently rather than something that has'nt.

I know Darren Boyle @ DMS has some knowledge on the Vampire LiPo's and the process/costs involved so maybe he could shed some light on it for us uninformed.

Fair enough it was mentioned to me by a brca rep. Either way I'd still go for approved kit.

Looks good to me re page 24.

I still wouldn't want any cheap crap in my cars :D :lol

Neil, Mike and everyone else that are part of organisations should in my opinion ALWAYS suggest BRCA legal equipment and nothing short of that.
Unless you want cheap rubbish from the far east that may blow up in people faces, or your club members not doing any regional events and so on...

Remember that even in an open classes at regional events the equipment has to be legal - It is a BRCA sactioned EVENT.....

HTH you poor guys - LOL

To whoever is asking the questions - just get Orion - its the best

Yup my thoughts :D along with Sanwa radio kit

Let me put it this way, we've had a few members recently who wanted to attend the regional events, but chose to purchase non legal kit. They now have to either not attend the regional or purchase the kit for a 2nd time in order to run at the BRCA sanctioned events.

Reminds me need to check the status of my car re weight etc. for this weekends regional event :D

True, they do make nice kit :)

hmmmm
 

NOT everyone wants to run in regionals.

And the price of the "legal" stuff is way overboard for budget club racers.

The cheaper stuff is still perfectly safe and legal and as safe as any other, as its sold that way, BRCA is only a UK thing. So lets remember the rest of the world excists! We are only a small island people!

I have used many non BRCA items and they perform perfectly at half the price.

Pay your money and take your choice. Simple really.......:thumbsup:

No quite true....... the BRCA govern the UK only yes, but the rest of the world is not a free for all though... The USA is governed by ROAR, and other counties are governed by their own national bodies and rules too like FEMCA, EFRA etc, they all also have rlevent products that can and cannot be used in their regions too.

If we all recall some countries (Japan included I think) did not allow LIPO's of "any" sort until long after the rest of the world had sanctioned them, that just simply meant they could not use them at their sanctioend events, no differnet really.

Some people seem to think that the BRCA are there to put a spanner in the works and make us all pay premium price for our equipment, they are not. The EB board has been put in place so that they can test all batteries (and motors) with strick tests and measurements to ensure they comply with what is known and deemed to be safe and legal, if anthing fails this it then does not make the relevent lists.

Not all BRCA approved equipment is top money, there are some very good value items all over the various lists that suit those racing on a budget. If you cannot all afford the premium brands such as Orion, Nosram/LRP, Reedy etc etc (and lets remember that they are "premium" - amongst the best avialable) then there are some very good budget priced items that will do the job, that way you are legal, able to race at all events and still quids in.

Hmmm indeed Darren.

I agree there is plenty of excellent non homologated equipment available at sensible prices.

Call me a cycnic but I would be interested to know exactly which products, that have been submitted with the appropriate fee, to the BRCA for homologation have actually been rejected on the grounds of safety?

It is difficult to interpret Tonys suggestion as entirely objective given his affiliation proudly displayed in his signature.

Or perhaps we should continue to do our best to scare away newcomers with sky high prices and scare stories about explosions.

What a load of old tosh!

Darren B makes a good point about the availability of affordable BRCA equipment however, Gens Ace and Hobbywing to name a couple. Which goes to prove that just because something is affordable it doesn't mean its unsafe.

yes
 

all points noted and agree on them, but its the rejection of items not on BRCA list but perfectly safe to use that gets me.

I have used non brca stuff lots and no faults at all as have many thousands of others all over the world.

We need to encourage newcomers to the hobby and not scare them away as Pip mentioned.

BU

Can we stop this now, as its really about a newcomer(reterning) to the hobby, not about our feelings on the legal/non legal stuff......

make a new thread on the open forum under electrics etc if you need to.

thanks people......:thumbsup:

Gents....the worse thing about forums is people talking about stuff that really they know little about.
I have seen rubbish Lipos go up and its not a nice site., I promise you and that is the reason BRCA events HAVE to use a Lipo sack......they have seen it too....and that is why all equipment is checked and it goes on in that fashion.
Darren has the valid points here and its also obvious that I will promote Orion - it is the best after all and that is why I use it. I have never said other products are not good.
Now I agree with Darren that many items are legal and good, just not as good (LOL)
Finally, I know of many many items rejected by the BRCA....I can get a list together if you really wish .....
Now Gents it is correct the thread is to help for a beginner and this is why he or she should know not to buy cheap because like the saying says, you buy twice......

That's me done.....catch up laters all......

Well I've only gone and done it. Thuis morning I bought online a bunch of kit from Apex to get a rollign chassis etc. The reason being if I bought everything at the beginning I'd rush it so I thoguht ti better to build it right i.e patiently the first time.

So what did I get...

SAVOX SC-1258 STANDARD SIZE CORELESS DIGITAL SERVO

SPEKTRUM DSM 3CH SR3500 MICRO RECEIVER

SPEED PASSION GT - LPF BRUSHLESS ESC VERSION 2.0 CARBON 5.5T

LRP VECTOR K4 BRUSHLESS MOTORS - 8.5T

MRT PERSONAL LOW PROFILE TRANSPONDER FOR AMB


TEAM LOSI "22" 1/10TH 2WD COMPETITION BUGGY KIT

CERAMIC DIFF BALLS - 3/32"
WIRE
ALUMINIUM 25T SERVO HORN
BATTERY CONNECTORS


So that leaves a few bits like batteries, Tx etc to go.

I also bought a Phat body shell to get around the tughtness a little

So all I need do is find some time to build this once its arrived. Thanks for all the help so far - I do have one question - I know I need a 48Dp pinion according to the Losi website, how many teeth would someone recommend?

Have fun building it :) and look forward to seeing you at one of the decent number of tracks in the South.

Re Pinions give Neil at RW Racing [email protected] a shout when you know what size you need. I don't know what the standard spur gear is or the FDR of the gearbox is on the 22.

Re pinions get the hardened steel pinions not the alu ones.

Speak with either Chris Ellis, Darren Parker, James Lucas at the track Chris, all 3 run the 22, will also give you a good set up for the shocks etc. Also I think the washers and shims need to be in certain places. They'll help loads though :)

The main thing is we have another mad member of the 1/10thoff road brigade. Looks like you've got the bug properly, look forward to seeing you again soon :thumbsup:

PM SteveB for further Losi 22 tips too as he won the TORCH summer series last year with it and made the A final at the F345s

well done
 

Glad you made the choices.

Pinion. well, I use a 7.5 and normally a 19/20/21 pinion....

I would get a couple to start with, maybe a 19 and 21.

as mentioned the steel ones are better, there only about £4.00 each so cheap to get a few for gearing changes. Tighter tracks need the lower pinion(shrccc) and larger ones(torch) need a larger one....

Good luck with the build........:woot::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Done :)

Well it's arrived :drool:

I said to Neil and Darren that a parcel had arrived and I was expecting it to either be the car and a few rolling bits or all the electrical gear, tyres, accessories or what have you I.e. I did 2 orders and expected 2 deliveries.

Apex have only gone and bundled both orders into one box!

It's fantastic news. There are a few small bits on back order like the ceramic balls for the diff and the aluminium servo horn which will delay the build but seeing as I don't have much spare time until after the end of June I can, begrudgingly, be patient. I do hope to have it running before then though.

cool
 

Build it with the standard balls and the normal plastic horn. as kit. easily changed at a later date. and diffs nbeed rebuilding from time to time anyway. get it rolling asap and see you soon!!!:D

So the build has started and I'm loving it - given the little amounts of spare time I hvae currently

So I've done section A (front end minus suspension) and section B (rear end minus suspension and running gear)

But a thought has come to mind - the turnbuckles and arms are very clearly defined as lenghts such as 76.3mm. I habve no micormeter and wondered how everyone manages to set the symmetry of the car etc so that once its built it runs in a straight line.

I.e. how on earther do I manage the tracking etc? I can't remember how I used to do 20 years ago?

I fear this may be the first of some dumb questions