Only the body :D

But I agree with Frederik. The little things can make a big difference.
Copy the things that are right and improve the things that are wrong.

Bit dull I agree. But effective!

Sidenote: Seems tamiya usa has 511's in stock again. Last batch or will tamiya give the offroaders a choice between belt and shaft?

So, everything is different except the length?

Except not obviously, as then it would be a Durango copy!!

Plus the "originality" there was a while ago....hand crafted by Gerd-commercialised design to production able by Serpent-sold as Durango. Most of the actual originality there was donkeys years ago!!

Plus...this is shaft 511, that's what they wanted, so how can anyone expect wildly different, "Oh let's change the 2 time Euro winning, UK winning car completely jut for the sake of it", not much broken to fix really was there!?:confused:

:confused: Everything is the same!! All is at the same place, except a little difference for the packs!

For info, the design of our MiD44 '09 Evo2 hereafter (especially the top decks).
Tam has cloned our car!! :D

http://i55.tinypic.com/23tr0gw.jpg

Sorry, am I misunderstanding you, are you claiming they've cloned the top decks? Despite both being a different shape with different cross bracing and certainly the front with different mounting positions (and the back from looking at it, the Tamiya top deck stops in front of the rear end, doesn't the mid go further back!?:confused:

Then the weight distribution is different, the steering mechanism is different, hard to tell just from CAD but it looks like Tamiya are using their touring idea of mounting the steering to the top deck in a single central place to change flex characteristics!? I had misread the diagram though, the motor looks in the same place!?

So basically, it has shafts and a motor in the same place, and the rest is different (they both took their suspension geometry from earlier cars), so it's a clone!?

For sure not the same car... but starting points were the same:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6...02xvsmid44.jpg
http://yfrog.com/mhtrf502xvsmid44j

http://yfrog.com/mhtrf502xvsmid44j

I think this whole "clone" thing is a little silly.

It's a 4WD shaft-driven buggy. What do you expect it to look like?

Although I grant that there have been some more unusual 4WD concepts such as Georg Kotzinger's B4.1 which is shown on Jimmy's report:


http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/euros2010/day2/




Oh, and how about the second one shown here from Atomic Carbon, truly brilliant in the sense of nouveau:

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/ooplerace2010/

Looks to me they are copying what i did with the S4 and the S44 about 4-5 years ago by moving the motor further forwards :woot: they worked great and i am sure with Tamiya quality this will also be a great car.

Will be nice to have a choice of belt or shaft 4wd tamiya's :thumbsup:

Also looks like you can swap the diff's around inside the casings, so it would be possible to move the motor position around. And i think you could get a stick pack of lipos in there as well.

Ah no, what ideas have you got now!! hahah:thumbsup:

They didn't clone the ugliness :woot:

What a bad faith!! Ah ah ah!!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/kentech/502-1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/kentech/502-2.jpg

Love your sense of humor :thumbsup:

By "starting points" you mean it has the spur in the same location in relation to the tires? :eh?: That is not like they cloned the whole damn thing or it's concept... or anything :)

Like others did the TRF/TechRacing 414 Tourers years ago :confused: :bored:

:thumbsup:

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uplo...iyaTRF502X.jpg

No blue titanium, HL Cylinders or gold shafts then !

still, a damn good looking high quality tamiya again!!:thumbsup:

Where do you fimd these sneaky pics rich?

RED RC mate

http://www.redrc.net/tag/news/

He had them as soon as we posted them :thumbsup: