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cheapskate 13-09-2011 09:52 PM
Good to see another good turn out last night,
Mark if the numbers stay like this i think there will no other choice but to split the classes into two heats- buggies was mental last night:woot:

lazysurfer 14-09-2011 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheapskate (Post 553622)
Good to see another good turn out last night,
Mark if the numbers stay like this i think there will no other choice but to split the classes into two heats- buggies was mental last night:woot:
Depends how many we get Mal - like I say the track is easily big enough for 10 in a heat, it's the differeing abilities which pose the issue. Paul has suggested maybe a mixed class heat for the newer drivers which would allow 3 heats in the same situation with even numbers and is probably worth a go.
We've actually run a mixed race once before and over a lap the difference between a TC and buggy in the hands of evenly matched drivers is very little if at all. Buggies blast the straight while TC's are more nimble in the corners.

Steven Forster 14-09-2011 06:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazysurfer (Post 553698)
Depends how many we get Mal - like I say the track is easily big enough for 10 in a heat, it's the differeing abilities which pose the issue. Paul has suggested maybe a mixed class heat for the newer drivers which would allow 3 heats in the same situation with even numbers and is probably worth a go.
We've actually run a mixed race once before and over a lap the difference between a TC and buggy in the hands of evenly matched drivers is very little if at all. Buggies blast the straight while TC's are more nimble in the corners.

I thought it was a really good turn out for the buggies and a good laugh at times albeit a bit chaotic when we crashed and as said the ability of the drivers (me) arnt as good as others and sometimes found myself getting in the way of faster drivers and having to pull over when i could.............wont be back till the 26th (stupid shifts)

beasty boys motorsport 14-09-2011 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dexter24 (Post 553960)
I thought it was a really good turn out for the buggies and a good laugh at times albeit a bit chaotic when we crashed and as said the ability of the drivers (me) arnt as good as others and sometimes found myself getting in the way of faster drivers and having to pull over when i could.............wont be back till the 26th (stupid shifts)
dont worry steve, im back on monday....so i'll hold everyone up in your absense:lol: one day i might get quick enough to complete 6 laps in a heat:thumbsup:

TangerineDream 14-09-2011 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazysurfer (Post 553698)
Depends how many we get Mal - like I say the track is easily big enough for 10 in a heat, it's the differeing abilities which pose the issue. Paul has suggested maybe a mixed class heat for the newer drivers which would allow 3 heats in the same situation with even numbers and is probably worth a go.
We've actually run a mixed race once before and over a lap the difference between a TC and buggy in the hands of evenly matched drivers is very little if at all. Buggies blast the straight while TC's are more nimble in the corners.
I think its worth trying this in the first instance if we need to, if it doesnt work we can then look to run 4 heats, would be a shame to loose a round if we dont need to, one option to get 5 rounds of 4 heats would be to reduce the gap between races but use alternate marshalling, i.e. you will always be free the race after and before your own which should make things less hectic as both marshalls and drivers should in theory have time to be ready

Steven Forster 14-09-2011 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beasty boys motorsport (Post 553997)
dont worry steve, im back on monday....so i'll hold everyone up in your absense:lol: one day i might get quick enough to complete 6 laps in a heat:thumbsup:
nice one paul...............:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

TangerineDream 14-09-2011 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TangerineDream (Post 554007)
I think its worth trying this in the first instance if we need to, if it doesnt work we can then look to run 4 heats, would be a shame to loose a round if we dont need to, one option to get 5 rounds of 4 heats would be to reduce the gap between races but use alternate marshalling, i.e. you will always be free the race after and before your own which should make things less hectic as both marshalls and drivers should in theory have time to be ready
If we do the maths, and have 4 heats of 5 mins with 1 min gap per heat thats 24mins per round, which is the same as 3 heats of 5 mins and a 3 min gap per heat. Piece of p1ss!!

R5 racer 14-09-2011 08:47 PM
Returning from the USA next week, where about is this track? Postal addy would be good.
Thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by lazysurfer (Post 469935)
Gentlemen

Well we had our first race meet at the new venue last night and it went very well!
4 of us there for doors opening at 7 with another five arriving within minutes enabled us to have the track set up by 7;30 with the first heat on the line at 7:40.
11 of us in total racing last night with a few notable absences - where were the rest of you – but on the plus side, 2 old members turned up to see what was going on and have promised to come back to race (see you next week Colin & Paul) Also a young lad who has a car and his dad who had a play with Johns old car and who seem keen to come back.

Strangely we were short of buggies for the first time in a long while, ending up running two TC heats with Mr Hindson opting to run his TC rather than buggy. He did however revert to the buggy by round 3 as he wasn’t winning resulting in a mixed heat and very good close mixed racing. Even them he had to lengthen the straight on which he had the speed advantage in order to eventually win! (any more cheating measures you could come up with for next week will NOT be welcome!)
We WILL be back to running buggy heats next week I imagine – with jumps if that’s what is preferred.

The floor was clean with a fair amount of grip and more importantly was very predictable enabling nice controlled 4 wheel drifting without nasty surprises mid corner – so who is going to be the first to try rally blocks?

The podium issue seems to have resolved it’s self with the gym’s benches being arranged to certainly provide an adequate platform although not perfect.

Last final finished by 9:30 and we were out of the hall by 9:50 so all in all a very good first nights racing there – now lets get the numbers up, we need 15 racers to cover the cost of the hall at £5 each per meet!

Ross & Dytham take note of the start & finish times for RACING – we’d rather you ducked set up or clear up than ducking racing altogether!

Gripes, suggestions and new racers are very welcome!

Hope to see more of you there next week

Mark

FastWheels 14-09-2011 10:50 PM
A probable no to mixed heats for me.

Seems to be an obsession to run as many rounds as possible without regard to addressing the Leisure aspect but rather looking to an ever increasing hectic schedule as an objective, this is supposed to be enjoyable hobby where some kind of social interaction adds another dimension as against trying to emulate a chaotic sweat shop mentality.

The club may become a victim of its own success with continual badgering to increase membership to cover costs then expecting to get that proverbial quart into a pint pot, this strategy may well alienate some members especially those wishing to enjoy the night rather than be obsessed with productivity.

The not so serious bit

Restricting membership and enforcing a qualifying time will eliminate those problematic slow racers thus allowing time for 10 rounds, & time between heats for chip butties, those eliminated during qualifying can then be used to marshall,

solved!!

Back to the serious bit

Alternate marshalling - it seems a struggle now to get the marshalls out and well placed on the track with a system everyone understands never mind introducing a seemingly more complicated alternative, while everyone would like a longer night with more rounds there needs to be a balance between what may be theoretically possible and what may be more comfortably achievable.

With the track being close to the The podium it's often difficult to see past other drivers as everyone leans out to gain a view of their car.
The design with the straight being up against the wall prevents any marshalls taking up position over the full length of the hall meaning a 20yard dash at times to marshall, it would be advantageous to reasses this aspect of the design (Track design & Build = Very Good Effort & Execution Bravo GuyZ).
Right lets get charging for next week!!

FastWheels 14-09-2011 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R5 racer (Post 554017)
Returning from the USA next week, where about is this track? Postal addy would be good.
Thanks
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?oe=utf...e&ved=0CAQQ_BI

looking at the TyneMet location shown it's the White Building on the lower right

Tyne Metropolitan College
  • Battle Hill Drive
  • Wallsend
  • NE28 9NL


Follow the line of ST Focuses
hope this helps

Ray Mac 15-09-2011 02:59 PM
Hiya Jim,
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastWheels (Post 554060)
A probable no to mixed heats for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastWheels (Post 554060)

Seems to be an obsession to run as many rounds as possible without regard to addressing the Leisure aspect but rather looking to an ever increasing hectic schedule as an objective, this is supposed to be enjoyable hobby where some kind of social interaction adds another dimension as against trying to emulate a chaotic sweat shop mentality.

The club may become a victim of its own success with continual badgering to increase membership to cover costs then expecting to get that proverbial quart into a pint pot, this strategy may well alienate some members especially those wishing to enjoy the night rather than be obsessed with productivity.

Restricting membership and enforcing a qualifying time will eliminate those problematic slow racers thus allowing time for 10 rounds time between heats for chip butties, those eliminated during qualifying can then be used to marshall,

solved!!

Alternate marshalling - it seems a struggle now to get the marshalls out and well placed on the track with a system everyone understands never mind introducing a seemingly more complicated alternative, while everyone would like a longer night with more rounds there needs to be a balance between what may be theoretically possible and what may be more comfortably achievable.

With the track being close to the The podium it's often difficult to see past other drivers as everyone leans out to gain a view of their car.
The design with the straight being up against the wall prevents any marshalls taking up position over the full length of the hall meaning a 20yard dash at times to marshall, it would be advantageous to reasses this aspect of the design (Track design & Build = Very Good Effort & Execution Bravo GuyZ).
Right lets get charging for next week!!

Now you know what we're all up against. It IS a game Jim.
Welcome to enjoyable aggro.

The OLD PHART.

baD 15-09-2011 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastWheels (Post 554060)
A probable no to mixed heats for me.

Restricting membership and enforcing a qualifying time will eliminate those problematic slow racers thus allowing time for 10 rounds time between heats for chip butties, those eliminated during qualifying can then be used to marshall,

solved!!
I read the above post with considerable interest, until I came to the bit quoted here and then couldn't decide if the whole post was just taking the piss! Eliminate the slow racers? What the h*** is that all about.

The hectic nature of racing at TM is one of the reasons I haven't been back, hardly time to alter the spring/ride height between races never mind actually fix something or change the tyres/wheels. (the other main reason is Monday is not a good day for me, but that's my problem, no one else's).
How anyone could race here themselves AND coach a kid to race is beyond me.

With the increased attendance, increased income, is it possible to extend the evening (at either end) without going over budget, to race longer and enjoy the 'leisure' activity a little more.?

baD 15-09-2011 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Mac (Post 554264)
It IS a game Jim.

The OLD PHART.
No - it's life Jim, but not as we know it

FastWheels 15-09-2011 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baD (Post 554291)
I read the above post with considerable interest, until I came to the bit quoted here and then couldn't decide if the whole post was just taking the piss! Eliminate the slow racers? What the h*** is that all about.
Yeah that was a light hearted cynical throwaway. :thumbsup:

FastWheels 15-09-2011 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Mac (Post 554264)
[LEFT]


Now you know what we're all up against. It IS a game Jim.
Welcome to enjoyable aggro.

The OLD PHART.
Just reporting as is no aggro just a penchant for the truth....

It is out there somewhere (so I'm told)

Must have been a good post got the oldun awake :D

Less of your LIPo ;)

TangerineDream 15-09-2011 05:10 PM
Simply offering some suggested solutions to the issue guys, we can't get into the hall earlier due to the zumba and can't leave later as the centre closes, we've already confirmed that nobody wants to loose a round of racing...... Would be helpful to the guys setting the meeting up to have a plan in place that the majority agrees with should we need it.........

Ray Mac 15-09-2011 06:15 PM
:pJim! I ment the time at the club can be enjoyable, and aggro at the same time. Not all this written aggro.:p:p:woot:

baD 15-09-2011 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FastWheels (Post 554296)
Yeah that was a light hearted cynical throwaway. :thumbsup:
cheers for that clarification - I'll always try to make sure I don't read something into posts that isn't there :)

cheapskate 15-09-2011 06:45 PM
Got to be honest i would rather drop a heat then run a mixed class.
Maybe we could run the same track layout for a set number of weeks then change it, then those that do actually turn up on time can set the track up in plenty time and know what they are doing,
maybe we could even fit extra heats in if everybody helped put the track away!!

Mal

FastWheels 15-09-2011 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Mac (Post 554347)
:pJim! I ment the time at the club can be enjoyable, and aggro at the same time. Not all this written aggro.:p:p:woot:
First the Pleasure then the Pain :D

lazysurfer 15-09-2011 08:31 PM
Rounds vs Heats vs Relaxing
 
Wow the debate on numbers of rounds and heats has certainly woken you lot up. Sorry to hear the pace of the night is the reason you haven't been back Bill. The club is run for everyone so issues such as this are open to votes but last time the frantic pace was mentioned the only ones who responded were against loosing a round,it would be easier for me but I, like those who expressed a view think that if we make the effort to put the track out and away, turn up and pay to race we may as well get in as much racing as possible. As for time to relax & chat if I can fit socialising in I'm sure the rest of you can and I can honestly say I've NEVER considered racing relaxing, for that there's the old tradition of the pub afterwards which could be ressurected?
If the club as a whole wants to drop a round then fine but if people want to get in as many races as possible I think we owe it to them to do that, If anyone wants to sit out a round there's nothing stopping them.
As for preferring to drop a round than run a mixed heat I think it would be an idea to have tried before writing it off. I ve raced mixed heats with Buckle before and it was VERY close!
Were running 3 mins between heats at the moment so 4 rounds of 4 heats would need to reduce to 2 mins between rather than 1 which would be too tight. Or as mentioned, more people to set out the track to start earlier :-)
As I mentioned the club as a whole must decide but remember, slow the pace AND have to fit in 4 rounds and we go from 5 races per night to 3 and I'm sure nobody wants to loose 2 races!

lazysurfer 15-09-2011 08:52 PM
Rounds vs Heats vs Relaxing
 
Or maybe a mixed heat of the fast drivers????
Only going to be needed when we have 10 or more in a class.
If we do need 4 heats I think dropping a round would probably be the way to go tho. Compromise - that's what its all about - will give us both hectic and relaxing noghts depending on how many turn up. Well will give you lot relaxing nights with 4 heats anyway,not me! ;-)

TangerineDream 15-09-2011 09:53 PM
Question for buggies, did people prefer having some jumps / obstacles out??
I thought the racing was still extremely close (Buckle knows what I'm on about :D) and it made things a bit more interesting.

Also if anyone has a decent camera, maybe we could get some updated pics / video links on here for the people who are showing interest.

Jim I agree with your point on it being hard to see the edges of the track, this week was better than the week earlier but still tricky with so many on the podium, how about trying the straight next to the rostrum next week to see what people think of that??

TangerineDream 15-09-2011 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Mac (Post 554347)
:pJim! I ment the time at the club can be enjoyable, and aggro at the same time. Not all this written aggro.:p:p:woot:
Old Raymondo, did you manage to get sorted with lipos and a charger?

FastWheels 15-09-2011 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TangerineDream (Post 554471)
Jim I agree with your point on it being hard to see the edges of the track, this week was better than the week earlier but still tricky with so many on the podium, how about trying the straight next to the rostrum next week to see what people think of that??
Pity we couldn't have the podium facing down the length of the hall rather than across it as that would give a clearer view of the track, also a more elaborate and higher podium would dramatically improve the perspective.

But to address your point, yes i think it would be worth trying the straight at the Rostrum side. :)

MarcF 16-09-2011 07:35 AM
Just my opinion but I think that will be worse having the fastest part of the track where it's harder to see and next to your feet...it's only the other week where i have found it a bit awkward (where we had a straight from bottom corner to the end of rostrum) but it just depends on the layout

Ray Mac 16-09-2011 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TangerineDream (Post 554473)
Old Raymondo, did you manage to get sorted with lipos and a charger?

Thanks for asking Paul, well! things are looking very promising at the moment. After over 30years of ni-cads and their equivalent, it's some change to li-pos and balance chargers. Let's see if this change is as good as a rest.:confused::confused: :eh?:

lazysurfer 16-09-2011 05:42 PM
Podium
 
we could try the opposite end to the pits although being a big hall it may be a bit too far. Agree with Marc that the straight next topodium is ten times worse. just pulling the "near" corners further into the centre helps or just take a tight line and don't run as wide into the corner of the hall where you cant see!

Ray Mac 16-09-2011 07:11 PM
Podium
 
Over the time I've been "racing", the type of tracks that seem cause the least bother, are quite open, and have the technical part infront of the "rostrum". The less technical track and more open, the less the marshalls should be needed, and "enjoyed" more. What do you think! That is only my oppinion, make of it what you will. :confused::eh?:

FastWheels 16-09-2011 10:34 PM
the Wisdom of Solomon still beats in your breast Ray. :thumbsup:

MR ANDERSON 17-09-2011 10:24 AM

MR ANDERSON 17-09-2011 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TangerineDream (Post 554471)
Question for buggies, did people prefer having some jumps / obstacles out??
I thought the racing was still extremely close (Buckle knows what I'm on about :D) and it made things a bit more interesting.

Also if anyone has a decent camera, maybe we could get some updated pics / video links on here for the people who are showing interest.

Jim I agree with your point on it being hard to see the edges of the track, this week was better than the week earlier but still tricky with so many on the podium, how about trying the straight next to the rostrum next week to see what people think of that??
heres a link to some video footage incase u missed it, taken on 27-06-2011 by my brother robert anderson, enjoy:thumbsup:

http://youtu.be/wmDlj3yOQ4Q

hazzelarator 17-09-2011 11:20 AM
I Know I havn't been for a while but will be back Monday, anyway as it goes, I can see what people are saying about low turn around time (and im usually the guy struggling to fire my car back together in time) but I find that part of it, exciting in itself. And if you don't, and want more laid back racing then surely you can just opt out of a round?
I agree with Mark that if your making the effort and going to the cost of doing this hobby you may aswell do it as much as possible on the night? And as afore mentioned, if you don't agree then you don't have to, just take a round off. :thumbsup:
Not sure about mixed heat, however if it's for people who are finding their feet in RC racing then it shouldn't matter too much anyway? It's all important track time at the end of the day?
I do like the idea of a pub stop after racing too, that should be strongly encouraged. What about having a £1 charge if you don't put the track away or put it out and that can be a 'fighting fund' for the bar afterwards? :D

Ray Mac 17-09-2011 03:26 PM
OK Jim! you've just got to take the proverbial haven't you!!

lazysurfer 17-09-2011 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hazzelarator (Post 554956)
I Know I havn't been for a while but will be back Monday, anyway as it goes, I can see what people are saying about low turn around time (and im usually the guy struggling to fire my car back together in time) but I find that part of it, exciting in itself. And if you don't, and want more laid back racing then surely you can just opt out of a round?
I agree with Mark that if your making the effort and going to the cost of doing this hobby you may aswell do it as much as possible on the night? And as afore mentioned, if you don't agree then you don't have to, just take a round off. :thumbsup:
Not sure about mixed heat, however if it's for people who are finding their feet in RC racing then it shouldn't matter too much anyway? It's all important track time at the end of the day?
I do like the idea of a pub stop after racing too, that should be strongly encouraged. What about having a £1 charge if you don't put the track away or put it out and that can be a fighting fund' for the bar afterwards? :D
Bout time you got yourself back Hazz! Not sure fining people is a good idea mind although it is frustrating how many people arrive when the tracks half built by the same few earlybirds every week

Steven Forster 17-09-2011 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hazzelarator (Post 554956)
I Know I havn't been for a while but will be back Monday, anyway as it goes, I can see what people are saying about low turn around time (and im usually the guy struggling to fire my car back together in time) but I find that part of it, exciting in itself. And if you don't, and want more laid back racing then surely you can just opt out of a round?
I agree with Mark that if your making the effort and going to the cost of doing this hobby you may aswell do it as much as possible on the night? And as afore mentioned, if you don't agree then you don't have to, just take a round off. :thumbsup:
Not sure about mixed heat, however if it's for people who are finding their feet in RC racing then it shouldn't matter too much anyway? It's all important track time at the end of the day?
I do like the idea of a pub stop after racing too, that should be strongly encouraged. What about having a £1 charge if you don't put the track away or put it out and that can be a 'fighting fund' for the bar afterwards? :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazysurfer (Post 555112)
Bout time you got yourself back Hazz! Not sure fining people is a good idea mind although it is frustrating how many people arrive when the tracks half built by the same few earlybirds every week

From my point of view i can understand the point about needing more people to help put the track away but idont think that charging people extra for not helping isnt going to help the club out as for some of the racers are under 10 years old so obviously the dads will want to get them home as soon as possible to go to bed and as for other people who work shifts like me the only time i can race is when im on early shift which is 6-2:30 and as i work 18 mile i get up at 4:30am and also i live 25 mile away from tyne met so i wanna get home as soon as i can to go to bed ready for another early start....................:blush::eh?:

cheapskate 18-09-2011 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dexter24 (Post 555127)
From my point of view i can understand the point about needing more people to help put the track away but idont think that charging people extra for not helping isnt going to help the club out as for some of the racers are under 10 years old so obviously the dads will want to get them home as soon as possible to go to bed and as for other people who work shifts like me the only time i can race is when im on early shift which is 6-2:30 and as i work 18 mile i get up at 4:30am and also i live 25 mile away from tyne met so i wanna get home as soon as i can to go to bed ready for another early start....................:blush::eh?:
Helping put the track out and away is part and parcel of being a member of the club though Dexter, its the same few putting the track out and away every week, and it the same faces coming in later and standing talking instead of helping set the track up( charging for not helping with the track isnt a good idea imo).

Mr Anderson ive sent you a pm:thumbsup:

lazysurfer 18-09-2011 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dexter24 (Post 555127)
From my point of view i can understand the point about needing more people to help put the track away but idont think that charging people extra for not helping isnt going to help the club out as for some of the racers are under 10 years old so obviously the dads will want to get them home as soon as possible to go to bed and as for other people who work shifts like me the only time i can race is when im on early shift which is 6-2:30 and as i work 18 mile i get up at 4:30am and also i live 25 mile away from tyne met so i wanna get home as soon as i can to go to bed ready for another early start....................:blush::eh?:
Don't worry I have no intention of fining anyone Dex. Always said anyone with a valid reason to miss either set up or clear up - I'd rather ther skip it than not race at all :-)

FastWheels 18-09-2011 10:06 PM
Altruism is the Ethos that drives TyneMet! :thumbsup:

Steven Forster 18-09-2011 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazysurfer (Post 555387)
Don't worry I have no intention of fining anyone Dex. Always said anyone with a valid reason to miss either set up or clear up - I'd rather ther skip it than not race at all :-)

I do help get the track out, mainly into the middle of the floor but havnt got a clue how everybody want it to be layed out and just feel like i am getting in the way and i also help pull the track over to the store room after racing and only leave once its all outside of the store room ready to be put inside............:blush:


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