I wish!!!

Hi all,

I raced these back in the day and someone at the club even had a pre-production roller! Being more used to Hotshots and Optimas this thing blew our minds at the time!

Anyways last week there was one of these racing and it brought back loads of memories, so much so that i’m Thinking of getting one but have a few questions first.

Can I run saddle lipos?
Is there a conversion to run modern hex wheels?
What is the motor limit with or without the transmission up-grade?

Thanks for reading!

Kit comes with old stickpack style nimh battery fittings and shorty lipo option
which is best solution
I think I have seen somewhere castle to 12mm hex adapter possibly shapeways?
Irun 10.5 with boost at worksop indoors on original transmission no issues so far and is plenty quick enough I have upgraded transmission just not got round to fitting it yet
buy build enjoy!!!

Dave

Thanks Dave,

Got loads of saddle lipos and hex wheels so makes sense to run these if I can?!

Seem to remember running the old saddle ‘soft’ pack batteries back in the day, no plastic cases or shrink wrap back then.....lol

There was a saddle chassis option from Schumacher back in the day.

You can get them in carbon from Fibrelyte here: http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/fl/cars/...er/catxls.html but you'll need to make a cradle to hold modern lipo's.

Shapeways indeed do castle to hex adaptors 4 or 5mm thickness if you order a set please let me know how you get on might order a set myself
Regards dave

Forgot to add id just buy couple shorty lipos clamps and fittings already in kit saves faffing about
Dave

Cheers Dave and Groomi,

Seriously tempted now. Done a lot of reading up last day or so.

Would be great to race one of these again.

How do they fare against modern stuff?

I'm assuming an original Bosscat, like I used to run, would command a mega high price these days if I could find one?
Did they come with a saddle pack chassis as standard?

Cheers!:thumbsup:

Boss cat

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F332512621775

That’s just a sport god knows whey it went so high, not really worth half that

obviously was to some one or dodgy bidding:D

good job I have few to clear out sometime !!!

dave

Didn't know there were 2 types What's the difference

There were more than 2 this is lifted from here: https://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.p...=4767&start=15


1992 Bosscat Competition Spec U440S £240 ROAR, UK, Scandinavian National champion, 3rd in Euros (Ben Sturnham) '93
1992 Club10 Cougar U441T £79 "Sport" version of Cougar. 540 motor + MSC
1992 Club10 Storm U443V £89 Based on Cougar - "sport" version of Storm truck. 540 motor + MSC
1992 Procat SE U427F £175 Special edition with 2.2" wheels & light coloured varishocks
1992 Storm truck U432K £150 Cougar 2 based with Cougar mk.1 frt wishbones
1992 Bosscat Sport U444W £150 Original Sport version with black shocks
1992 Cougar 2 Works U452E £170 Also seen as part # U453F in 1993!
1993 Storm truck Works U454G £150 Never seen one
1993 Bosscat Works U455H £240 Released March 1993
1993 Cougar 2000 U457J £190 Double deck composite chassis, geared drivetrain
1993 CAT 2000 U460M £249 Released October '93. 2nd (Kevin Moore) & 3rd (William Mitcham) '93 Worlds. Euro 1994 winner Austria (Craig Drescher), 1995 Euros winner Finland (Craig Drescher),
1993 Club10 2wd Escort Cosworth U439R £95
1994 Cougar 2000 '94 Spec U457J £190 As per 1993 car, but now with Co-Axial driveshafts & diff to match
1994 CAT 2000 Touring U496W £240 Calibra shell
1994 Bosscat Sport U471X £135 Red shocks version inc. motor & MSC

as peakey says there more than 2 versions

simplest I can do is
"sport"stick pack chassis plastic shocks non- slipper layshaft "sport" diffs partial bearing kit some bronze bushed

"team" saddle chassis (poss glassfibre) slipper clutch layshaft metal shocks pro diffs bearing kit red anodized side frames

"works" similar spec purple anodised side frames carbon chassis rest similar to "team car"

I have a sport and team cars currently my team car has upgraded carbon fibre chassis and top deck
I think those are major differences looking at my two im sure someone will come along and correct any errors

dave

Does anybody know if Schumacher released any plans for another re re?

Nothing yet but who knows I’d be very surprised if they didn’t do something else

I hope so, just made some spare space for another project

Pretty sure both the team and works had carbon chassis, main differences between the team and the works were the rear suspension, purple anodising and the pro hard anodised shocks

This by far the worst car I have ever built but my first Schumacher. I’ve built several Tamiya, TRF, Kyosho YZ10 models but this was definitely a painful experience but also parts quality is so poor as is the finish. Steering is a joke followed as per instructions and very stiff not free and smooth like wise the pivot on the balls for the hub.

I mean who the hell uses self tappers into aluminium? For the eccentrics why could they have not tapped it and used fine screws? If Tamiya could manage it back in the 80s?

Now I need to find a circlip pliers that’s small enough and the car is done oh and the missing roll bar joint end from the kit.

I just hope when I run it doesn’t disintegrate.....might use a mild 17T brushed motor.

I'm using a 10.5 brushless with mild boost on standard transmissions indoors at worksop masters had no issues yet with failing tranny

Just make sure front gearbox housing screws are nipped tight mine has slipped once causing loose Belt tension on front

The idea of 're release was an authentic copy of original and that's what we got :D:D
I think most have become shelf queens not seen many racing yet

Regards dave

I’ve just built mine with the transmission kit, without doubt you have to pretend you’ve travelled back in time when building it, by that I mean with regards to manufacturing costs & assembly methods etc. It needs fettling & tinkering (ie, choosing to use a few alternative screws/using nyloc nuts here & there) to help make it all work nicely & reliably.

Now built, it feels very pretty tough tbh, though time will tell :lol:

This is how it was built back in the day, as we used to race it

If you want to replace the screws to metric I see Screws4rc do a set
Although sold out, M B Models list them https://www.rccarshop.co.uk/spares/s...nt-screw-kit-p

Yeah true that’s how it was back in the day but 80s Tamiya look at the Avante Ok not great on the track but fit and finish of parts were so ahead of Schumacher. I mean flat head screws put me off buying one in 1989.

So change the screws :rolleyes: if your use to Tamiya then don’t buy one. Tamiya’s are toys made of plastic Schumacher’s are racing cars designed to work end of :thumbsup:

Have to agree with the above. need more re re from schumacher though!!!!

What a load of crap tamiyas all had self tappers and their plastics were rubbish, their Designs in the late eighties were and still are no where near what Schumacher were doing at the same time. As others have said if you don’t like it don’t buy it lol

hhhhmmmm a bigwig or a cat xl. no competition

Calm down why are you getting excited? I will buy what I want but It’s my view the quality and build of the Cat is a little on the poor side. I’m not talking about being competitive but first time fit and finish. No one said 80s Tamiya will eat a Cat on the track.

For anyone who is old enough to remember this did win the championship in 90 :D

https://s13.postimg.org/4dkb3xaqf/AB...DE370958_E.jpg

To be fair to both sides tamiyas were easy and pleasant to build and excellent for novices
On the other hand schumacher were race bred and designed for racing so it was expected that they were built by people with some experience

Horses for courses
Tamiya for fun/newbies/bashing
Schumacher for racing enthusiasts

Both have merits and drawbacks remember mobile phones were still the size of a suitcase 👍😀😀 oh the old rose tinted glasses

xls
 

just doing a complete nut and bolt rebuild on mine at the moment after having alot of use. on inspection Im not too sure about the installation of the disc springs on the diff screw. I can see that the springs are sligtly concave. Its probably me being a bit thick but I dont think the manual is that clear about the orientation of the springs. The cat 2000 manual is alot clearer on this. Also (again its probably my age and poor eye sight) but the thrust race bearing - it says the smaller washer nearest the screw head but both washers appear exactly the same size. its probably just me being thick.

I think one should be slightly thinner than the other and install the disc springs like this )()()( they’ll keep the diff screw tight

Ah that would make sense. I'm going instal the transmission upgrade. Am I right in thinking it only uses 2 diff springs? I know the 2000 s use 4

Just bought a hex head screw set for my xls. the screws for the steering assembly look really small. does anybody know what size hex tool would fit. The smallest driver Ive got is a 1.5 and its too big

What size are the standard kit tyres? I need order some new rears. are they 2 or 2.2?

Original’s are 2.0

So after a few months of ownership what are people thinking of Schumacher first 're release?

Good turnout of them at Schumacher iconic challenge vintage racing at A1 on Sunday
Everyone appeared to have a good time with them

I have 3 now two yet to be built:D
Regards Dave n Mitch Fiddling

:lol: why 3?

Cus he’s greedy

He has a point😀

One we bought to race
One we bought to stuff in attic till im dead
Last one a jammy win in worksop masters raffle
Thats 3 kit wins in 3 years 😀😀

Kf2 se in loft
Kc currently in use
Cat xls under the bed