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jimmy 20-03-2009 12:18 PM

There's only one reason I dug out my old nimh cells and started to restore their health - to cut down on dremeling! :thumbsup:

DaveG28 20-03-2009 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronR (Post 220708)
Dave, I don't see how the 23mm height Intellect Lipo pack cannot fit. NiMH cells are 23mm in diameter. From the pics I see around the web, it looks like the cells mounted in the 511 are clearly lower than the top deck/rear of center bulkhead area.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uplo...yatrf511-3.jpg

I do, however, see how the lipo pack may come in contact with that center bulkhead, but I would think you can slowly and carefully Dremel the lipo casing to possibly make it fit, or Dremel off the end screw hole on the bulkhead and only use 2 screws to mount the rear top deck to the center bulkhead.


Aaron, nimh sit in chassis locators so are not 23mm higher than the chassis. They are also round so are not 23mm high at the front edge!! There is loads of room under the top deck, not the bulkhead though!!

On my way home now do will take pics!

Northy 20-03-2009 12:28 PM

Maybe lipos should HAVE to be made out of 6 little round cells so they can be built up into a pack with little bits of copper used to Solder them together. Then we could solder wire and connectors to the end of them too......

:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

G

DaveG28 20-03-2009 12:39 PM

Ha ha too right G!! Nah seriously I'm not having a go at battery sizes/rules etc, just saying it's not as simple as "it's the same size as nimh so must fit". Think it's a miscomm with Aaron!

Wouldn't want to dremel the bulkhead, there's already less stiffening than the 501!

Guess I'm just surprised Tamiya didn't consider Lipo at all really? Are they legal in Japan?

Anyone know the answer to the piston question by the way??

AaronR 20-03-2009 12:53 PM

I don't like the idea of Dremel-ing aluminum to make things fit, but I honestly don't see a stiffness/weakness issue with removing 2 of the 4 mounting holes. It is possible that the entire hole would have NOT to be hacked off, maybe just angled and use a much shorter screw to secure the top deck to the bulkhead.

And, yes, Dremel-ing a Lipo case probably isn't so smart. This 511 is getting me excited, ok?! :woot::wub

Dave, get that camera in your hand and take those pics! :D

DaveG28 20-03-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronR (Post 220733)
I don't like the idea of Dremel-ing aluminum to make things fit, but I honestly don't see a stiffness/weakness issue with removing 2 of the 4 mounting holes. It is possible that the entire hole would have NOT to be hacked off, maybe just angled and use a much shorter screw to secure the top deck to the bulkhead.

And, yes, Dremel-ing a Lipo case probably isn't so smart. This 511 is getting me excited, ok?! :woot::wub

Dave, get that camera in your hand and take those pics! :D

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9831/demonadd.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/921/demon2f.jpg

AaronR 20-03-2009 02:09 PM

What lipo packs are those Dave? They sure look like the Intellect 30C 4200s.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intellect-lipo-b...QQcmdZViewItem

Also, are the jumper wire outlets blocked by the top deck? Will that be an issue?

DaveG28 20-03-2009 03:31 PM

Those are the Demon cells, wouldn't be surprised if they are actually the same though!!

As long as you put the terminals to the rear there's no problem with the wires and topdecks!

N7ELA 20-03-2009 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveG28 (Post 220792)
Those are the Demon cells, wouldn't be surprised if they are actually the same though!!

As long as you put the terminals to the rear there's no problem with the wires and topdecks!

I have the intellects and they fit fine in my 501x. Pleanty of room....

Chris 20-03-2009 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveG28 (Post 220719)
On my way home now do will take pics!

Could you make some pics of the parts list?

AaronR 21-03-2009 12:33 PM

Thanks for the pics Dave! Those must be the same sized cases as the Intellect 30C 4200s (somehow your Demon packs are 35C). Anyway, not much aluminum will need to be removed from that center bulkhead for these packs to fit. :)

qatmix 21-03-2009 12:33 PM

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3...9photo6.th.jpg


here is the car with the new shell / wing

jimmy 21-03-2009 01:11 PM

You racing the car tomorrow Dave?
I have the chassis / suspension built but won't have it done in time for this weekend. Might consider running it at the Players tho.

DaveG28 21-03-2009 04:02 PM

Finished wiring up about an hour ago, but still need to cut/fit shell and wing, setup duffs/slipper and get some tires glued, plus install electrics in my 2wd! I'll be running it, just might be falling asleep on the rostrum!

Chris, I can scan in the manual etc but will take a while, may not get chance till Wednesday (when I'm off work!)

Aaron, looking again your right, dremelling the bulkhead is probably doable, be careful not to make it a tight fit though, or when it flex's could crunch the cells!!

jimmy 21-03-2009 04:12 PM

I tried my trakpowers with the heatshrink cut off (not to try pass them off as new BRCA legal ones you understand) - and they slid under the bulkhead with about 1mm to spare.

qatmix 23-03-2009 08:24 PM

So did you guys race them? whadduya think?

A.J. Gee 24-03-2009 07:21 AM

They must be so happy with the car,:p that they are still out racing it.

DaveG28 24-03-2009 10:21 AM

Yep ran mine at Worksop on Sunday! Thoughts on it, well first the good stuff:

1. Did practice, 4 rounds and final without a single breakage. Didn't have any huge impacts but enough to see the new arms aren't too weak, so will try them on the 501 too!

2. Qualified B5, which I think is about the best result I've had this winter there. Hard to compare when different people are at different rounds but it seemed quick!

Other stuff to note:

1. Adding anti roll bars made a big difference when running kit springs (kit springs are med front and soft rear), without them there was lots of body roll!

2. Felt like it had less front grip, but hard to tell as I was also running new cells/ESC and servo!! It was an absolute rocket on the straights which may have affected turn in. May try a centre one way this weekend though to see how it feels!

3. Use loctite, I had about 6 or 7 screws come loose or fall out completely during the day!

Not sure if Jimmy saw it going round at all to get his views??

DaveG28 24-03-2009 12:13 PM

Any setup tips anyone can give me would be much appreciated by the way, I'm running kit which is:

Front:
Medium springs
40wt oil
Medium length camber link
Shock bottom hole middle, top (shock tower) 3rd in out of 4

Rear:
Springs soft
40wt oil
Camber links on inner
Same shock positions as front

General: lipo weighing 230g, no lead! Anti roll bars stiff front and rear.

Specifically is 40wt oil with soft springs sensible? Especially with low weight lipo? What would be the next step to increase turn in?

AaronR 24-03-2009 04:32 PM

I would say your springs are fine... I too run kit springs (yellow front, red rear) with 40 or sometimes 37.5 wt oil in front and 32.5 or sometimes 30 wt oil in rear (Losi shock oil). This is on high-traction indoor dirt surface (we run near slick Losi Pink Taper Pin tires).

I think a shorter front link would increase turn-in correct? Also, try the 2nd hole in on the front shock tower (stand the shock up by one hole).


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