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mw02veg 07-09-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 283694)
So what national track is a bumpy / rutty astro turf track as I'm trying to regaain a set-up for the car.

Just dug out grants set up for talywain which was a very bumpy/rutty track, the only difference is 30wt oil in the rear and the anti-squat 2mm rear 1mm front. Grant made the 'A' final with this set up.

If the track is really bad you might want to try moving the shocks to the back of the car haven’t try it yet but lots of the team drives recommend it for this type of track.

Mike

mikeyscott 07-09-2009 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mw02veg (Post 283739)
Just dug out grants set up for talywain which was a very bumpy/rutty track, the only difference is 30wt oil in the rear and the anti-squat 2mm rear 1mm front. Grant made the 'A' final with this set up.

If the track is really bad you might want to try moving the shocks to the back of the car haven’t try it yet but lots of the team drives recommend it for this type of track.

Mike

Ok thanks, need to cut of these diafram things, how much do you cut out? also ordering up some new 3 hole pistons.

Will try the shock mod again once I'm got a base point to work from again. Just a shame I am sorting it out with summer ending :(

mw02veg 08-09-2009 05:10 AM

remove it all and you are left with an O ring, thats it.

niggs98 08-09-2009 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 283749)
. Just a shame I am sorting it out with summer ending :(

just in time for worksop :D

F-1 08-09-2009 07:04 AM

Anyone have set-ups from Euro's in Spain, Bilbao??

Arn0 08-09-2009 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-1 (Post 283845)
Anyone have set-ups from Euro's in Spain, Bilbao??

you will get something either here, here or there.

Hope that help!

discostu 08-09-2009 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazzler (Post 283733)
I try the rallycross too, and unless i'm missing something, I haven't seen or heard of them being cut for that? i guess the thing to do is try both cut and un-cut to see for myself. Are you saying that you think the air over the diaphram is expelled/leaked on landing and then not recovered?


pretty much

Mossy 08-09-2009 05:02 PM

When i started testing the SX last year, my preference was to run with the diagrams cut as i felt this removed some of the pac on the shocks. The best thing to do is try both and see what suits you. The team are all running them cut.

Si

mikeyscott 08-09-2009 05:12 PM

Do you fill the shock caps with oil too like the team associated ones or leave it as air?

Mossy 08-09-2009 05:37 PM

No, but to be fair have never filled the Associated ends up either. I leave them as air.

Si

Dazzler 08-09-2009 05:53 PM

What would be the preference - front one way diff, or one way layshaft and why? What are the differences in the characteristics of the car?

panch 18-09-2009 05:22 PM

Hi All...

Anyone have any setups that will be a good start for Broxtowe this weekend please ?? :thumbsup:

Cheers

Lee

bigred5765 18-09-2009 05:29 PM

grants set up is pretty much the starting point for 90% of the tracks now,

James 18-09-2009 06:26 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Robin Hood Raceway Round 6 BRCA National

A - Final 8th

.jpg Setup Sheet - James Helliwell

Mossy 19-09-2009 07:18 AM

Im off to Broxtowe in abit Panch so come and see me if you want.

Si

F-1 30-09-2009 08:16 PM

Hello!! Can anyone reccomend me setup for wet astroturf track, and cold weather (about 5 degrees C)????

stikkan1 09-11-2009 08:18 PM

Indoor setup minispike-slicks...
 
In Norway we drive with slicks at our carpets (yello minispike slicks).(touring/m-chassis drives the same day).

The grip is medium-to-high, does enyone have a setup for the cat sx with slicks??

Thanks.
Stig

Tyson 11-11-2009 11:36 PM

Bury Metro
 
Hi, does anybody have any setup tips/sheets, from bury indoors. I struggled with the CAT SX it felt very slippy (perhaps thats the 5.5T X12?)

Any ideas for shock oils and what hole piston?

Weight or not?, I had centrally mounted 110g strip fitted from racing outdoors.

Cheers for any help:D

bigred5765 11-11-2009 11:58 PM

we had no weight underneath the chassis at all,a 5.5 was way to much and caused us loads of problems 6.5 or even 7.5 is fine.other than that pretty much std set up as already mentioned,and for some reason new tyres seemed better than worn this time,

Mossy 12-11-2009 08:23 AM

Tyson i did get your pm, apologies for the delay in reply! Ill post my TQ setup later tonight.

Si

Tyson 13-11-2009 12:33 AM

Nice one cheers Si, and thanks Big Red for the advice going to ditch the 5.5;)

Mossy 13-11-2009 09:52 AM

Bury Metro Indoors Tq Setup

Front -

Track Washers - 1mm front and back
Roll Bar - No
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Middle
Front Rake - 10 Degrees
Washers - 0mm
Front Link Bracket - 38.5mm
Washers on Hub - 0
Alloy 7.5 degree front Yokes.

Rear -
Wheel Base - Short
Toe In - 3mm Rear, .5mm front = 3.25 degrees
Anti Squat Washers - 0mm Rear, 3.5mm Front (rear hole 4mm higher on rear gearbox housing than standard)
Rear Link Bracket - 38.5mm
Washers - 3mm
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Inside
Hub Postion - Middle
Roll Bar - No


Shocks

Front -
35wt on 3 Holes Drilled 55s
Schumacher Old Grey Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Rear -
30wt on 2 Holes Drilled 55s
Schumacher Old Red Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Transmission-
Rear Diff Height - Low
Front Diff Height - Low
Layshaft Pulley - Pin Through
Front Drive - One Way
Gearing - 81 x 22 on Speed Passion 5.5
Internal Ratio - 33 Tooth Pulley

Tyres
Yellow Mini Pin all round, Schumacher Tubby Green Inserts Rear, Schumacher Green Front

Si

bigred5765 13-11-2009 12:32 PM

Anti Squat Washers - 0mm Rear, 3.5mm Front (rear hole 4mm higher on rear gearbox housing than standard)
si does that mean you were running pro squat?

mw02veg 13-11-2009 01:28 PM

No, what Simon means is the front hole has been drilled 4mm higher than the standard hole so you run no washers under the rear mount and all the adjustment for anti squat is then made on the front. If you had 4mm of washers on the front you would have zero anti squat so with 3.5 mm the car has .65 anti squat, if that makes sense. If you remember I think I showed you at RHR, if you take a look at the report for the national there is a picture of Grants car with it on. The idea is about trying to raise the pin or lower the diff height.

bigred5765 13-11-2009 01:37 PM

right i was just a little confused in si's setup it said (rear hole 4mm higher on rear gearbox housing than standard)

Mossy 13-11-2009 02:15 PM

Yeah, my bad. I know what i meant lol

bigred5765 13-11-2009 03:05 PM

no probs Si, i thought you had tried something random i hadn't heard about lol

mw02veg 13-11-2009 04:16 PM

Thought you might have tried that mod by now.

bigred5765 13-11-2009 04:27 PM

hmm not yet we have run the wishbones high all year as you no, but havent gone that far up yet,how much higher does it make the wishbones over std,dont say 4mm lol

mw02veg 13-11-2009 05:48 PM

It’s as high as no spacers on the rear, so as I said be for all adjustment is at the front keeping the pin as high as possible.

One team member has drilled both holes 4mm higher say’s its very good with zero anti squat.

MHeadling 13-11-2009 06:41 PM

Is 2 hole rear pistons drilled to 55 the norm now? I have using 3 hole in the rear

55 is just under 1.3mm isn't it??

mw02veg 13-11-2009 07:46 PM

3 hole 54 rear, 3 hole 55 front.

MattW 13-11-2009 09:47 PM

At the risk of being a touch Anal - 55 = 1.3208mm - according to this handy chart I have here!! 54 = 1.397 just for reference!

Mossy 14-11-2009 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Headling (Post 309849)
Is 2 hole rear pistons drilled to 55 the norm now? I have using 3 hole in the rear

55 is just under 1.3mm isn't it??

Whatever suits really. I prefer it to the setup that Grant runs on the shocks as I dont have any weight on the car whatsoever. Have tried it with numberous different weights and it just doesnt suit me. I have ran this combination of pistons at Bury Indoors, Kidderminster, West Bridgeford and RHR and only ever alter either the oil by 5wt, or go up a spring all round to Blues and Greys - works best for me.

Play around and see what your thoughts are, but if you do run weight or alot of it, Grants shocks are setup for that.

Si

MHeadling 14-11-2009 08:47 AM

Thanks Matt and Mossy, I'm running the car indoors with no weight so I'll
give your shock set up a go Mossy

Cheers for the advice :D

Tyson 25-11-2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mossy (Post 309620)
Bury Metro Indoors Tq Setup

Front -

Track Washers - 1mm front and back
Roll Bar - No
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Middle
Front Rake - 10 Degrees
Washers - 0mm
Front Link Bracket - 38.5mm
Washers on Hub - 0
Alloy 7.5 degree front Yokes.

Rear -
Wheel Base - Short
Toe In - 3mm Rear, .5mm front = 3.25 degrees
Anti Squat Washers - 0mm Rear, 3.5mm Front (rear hole 4mm higher on rear gearbox housing than standard)
Rear Link Bracket - 38.5mm
Washers - 3mm
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Inside
Hub Postion - Middle
Roll Bar - No


Shocks

Front -
35wt on 3 Holes Drilled 55s
Schumacher Old Grey Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Rear -
30wt on 2 Holes Drilled 55s
Schumacher Old Red Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Transmission-
Rear Diff Height - Low
Front Diff Height - Low
Layshaft Pulley - Pin Through
Front Drive - One Way
Gearing - 81 x 22 on Speed Passion 5.5
Internal Ratio - 33 Tooth Pulley

Tyres
Yellow Mini Pin all round, Schumacher Tubby Green Inserts Rear, Schumacher Green Front

Si

Hi Si

Just setting up for this weekend, i noticed that you used 2 hole for rear drilled to 55's but the hole is already that size in the 2 hole pistons. When i built the shocks it felt over damped at the back with 30wt oil compared with the front (3hole drilled 55's with 35wt). Could you shed any light just a little confused i thought the back should be lighter than the front:confused:

Cheers

Mossy 25-11-2009 12:16 PM

Im sure someone will post but im pretty sure that the standard holes are not 55, they are smaller. The backend shouldnt feel over damped, infact mine normally feels quite light. Im not going to be there this weekend so cant really show you, but i definately have this setup in the rear and have used it all winter.

Si

bigred5765 25-11-2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyson (Post 314485)
Hi Si

Just setting up for this weekend, i noticed that you used 2 hole for rear drilled to 55's but the hole is already that size in the 2 hole pistons. When i built the shocks it felt over damped at the back with 30wt oil compared with the front (3hole drilled 55's with 35wt). Could you shed any light just a little confused i thought the back should be lighter than the front:confused:

Cheers

was that on the table or on the track??

Swiss 06-12-2009 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mossy (Post 309620)
Bury Metro Indoors Tq Setup

Front -

Track Washers - 1mm front and back
Roll Bar - No
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Middle
Front Rake - 10 Degrees
Washers - 0mm
Front Link Bracket - 38.5mm
Washers on Hub - 0
Alloy 7.5 degree front Yokes.

Rear -
Wheel Base - Short
Toe In - 3mm Rear, .5mm front = 3.25 degrees
Anti Squat Washers - 0mm Rear, 3.5mm Front (rear hole 4mm higher on rear gearbox housing than standard)
Rear Link Bracket - 38.5mm
Washers - 3mm
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Inside
Hub Postion - Middle
Roll Bar - No


Shocks

Front -
35wt on 3 Holes Drilled 55s
Schumacher Old Grey Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Rear -
30wt on 2 Holes Drilled 55s
Schumacher Old Red Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Transmission-
Rear Diff Height - Low
Front Diff Height - Low
Layshaft Pulley - Pin Through
Front Drive - One Way
Gearing - 81 x 22 on Speed Passion 5.5
Internal Ratio - 33 Tooth Pulley

Tyres
Yellow Mini Pin all round, Schumacher Tubby Green Inserts Rear, Schumacher Green Front

Si

Si

If you are running the pin higher at the rear, with the wishbones level, surely this is effectively lowering the car? e.g. the chassis will be lower to the ground than with the pin at its normal mounting point.

Paul

Swiss 06-12-2009 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss (Post 318556)
Si

If you are running the pin higher at the rear, with the wishbones level, surely this is effectively lowering the car? e.g. the chassis will be lower to the ground than with the pin at its normal mounting point.

Paul

Actually thinking about this further. If you keep your shocks exactly the same as with the pin in the normal position and raise the pint. The rear of the car will sit slightly higher. You will then have to wind down the shock collars to get the w/bones level at the rear, which will mean the front of the car will be nose high, menaing the front will have to be lowered too?


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